CFA Members Fired
In case nobody has seen this yet. What do you think the ramifications to our 2026 Semiquincentennial coins will be?
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Haven't the designs already been approved and finalized?
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dcarr will never get a design through now
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@Russell12 said:
In case nobody has seen this yet. What do you think the ramifications to our 2026 Semiquincentennial coins will be?Perhaps the letter of the law will be overlooked, assuming that approval has not already been given.
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All but guarantees that or 250th anniversary coins will be very useful as washing machine leg spacers or for prying coyote dung out from the bottom of golf shoes.
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dunno going to have to start coining circ strikes soon
the others?
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@MsMorrisine said:
dcarr will never get a design through now.
Actually, that might improve my chances.
First of all, do not confuse the Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) with the Citizen's Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC).
The CCAC only reviews potential coin and medal designs for the US Mint. All such designs are reviewed by the CCAC anonymously (the CCAC members do not know the particular artists who have created the designs that are under review).The CFA has influence over all aspects of government-sponsored "art", not just coins and medals. The CFA also determines the necessary qualifications for persons involved in government art projects.
The CFA is backed by art education entities. As such, the CFA has a strong tendency to recommend only the people who have received a formal art education. People (such as myself) who are basically self-taught in art are at a disadvantage when the CFA is involved with selecting people for various art projects.
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@Barberian said:
Not surprised. More crappy Trump coins.Shhh, not so loud 👍
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Same thing happened in 2021 when 4 members were removed. I don’t recall a thread on here about that?
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@U1chicago said:
Same thing happened in 2021 when 4 members were removed. I don’t recall a thread on here about that?There's an obvious reason for that... but I'm not going to say what it is. 😀
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Wow.
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There is a lack of femininity in my opinion. Designs past and up to the turn of the century have mostly captured strength and beauty.
Talented artists and interesting interpretations.
I didn't buy the new Morgan and Peace offering, so it probably doesn't matter.
Probably somebody will chime in that there is some woke hidden meaning, but the last design is the only one that appeals to me for a viable coin design.
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@PeakRarities said:
Are these the designs that we’re mourning because of the termination of this committee? If so, it’s just a gut instinct, but I feel like we’re going to be just fine without ….Yeah, total garbage but not unexpected considering the degradation of modern art.
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@dcarr said:
@MsMorrisine said:
dcarr will never get a design through now.
Actually, that might improve my chances.
First of all, do not confuse the Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) with the Citizen's Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC).
The CCAC only reviews potential coin and medal designs for the US Mint. All such designs are reviewed by the CCAC anonymously (the CCAC members do not know the particular artists who have created the designs that are under review).The CFA has influence over all aspects of government-sponsored "art", not just coins and medals. The CFA also determines the necessary qualifications for persons involved in government art projects.
The CFA is backed by art education entities. As such, the CFA has a strong tendency to recommend only the people who have received a formal art education. People (such as myself) who are basically self-taught in art are at a disadvantage when the CFA is involved with selecting people for various art projects.
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Self-taught or a degree from a lesser known entity is probably the kiss of death. It shouldn't be but it probably is.
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Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.
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It will have little if any effect on the 250th coinage since the designs were already approved and currently in the early production stages. Meaning, they most likely have working dies ready to go for January.
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@Old_Collector said:
Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.These are not the CCAC. The Fine Arts commission does other things.
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@Old_Collector said:
Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.Coin design is probably far down the FAC's list of priorities.
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@Old_Collector said:
Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.I’ve never understood this philosophy.
Why not pay experts for their expertise? It’s not like the USA is poor or anything.
Do you cringe when paying a professional doctor, lawyer, plumber, or mechanic for his/her expertise when you need it?
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@pruebas said:
@Old_Collector said:
Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.I’ve never understood this philosophy.
Why not pay experts for their expertise? It’s not like the USA is poor or anything.
Do you cringe when paying a professional doctor, lawyer, plumber, or mechanic for his/her expertise when you need it?
I do when it's my neighbor getting the advice but expecting me to pay for it.
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@pruebas said:
@Old_Collector said:
Perhaps they will appoint a new voluntary committee, instead of paying the 7 commission members an average of over $100K a year. I know that a lot of people with numismatic experience can competently judge coin designs that are submitted and would probably do it to help out the hobby. Seems like just another political patronage to me.I’ve never understood this philosophy.
Why not pay experts for their expertise? It’s not like the USA is poor or anything.
Do you cringe when paying a professional doctor, lawyer, plumber, or mechanic for his/her expertise when you need it?
It is not a philosophy when there are plenty of people that would volunteer to do this instead of paying someone up to over $200,000 a year for their personal advice on what should be on our coins. The recent results sure does not support any pay. And as a doctor and patent attorney and frequent user or plumbers and many other professions, I actually do understand paying for actual knowledge and PERSONAL provision of services for me. And I favor paying for many other needed services, but this is just a waste of taxpayer money that does not exist in infinite quantities.
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Of the above designs, I actually do like the one showing the field of wheat. I can see that on a clad commemorative half dollar honoring America the Beautiful.
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A clarification: Members of the U.S. Commission of Fine Arts are not paid salaries. They serve without compensation.
The Commission itself is a federal agency and does have a budget to pay its employees (not its four-year-term volunteer commissioners) and fund its operations. Those employees aren’t part of the CFA’s advisory function but are administrators, clerks, tech workers, etc.
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@291fifth said:
Coin design is probably far down the [CFA]'s list of priorities..
Agreed.
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@COCollector said:
@291fifth said:
Coin design is probably far down the [CFA]'s list of priorities..
Agreed.
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A couple days ago the moderators sanitized this thread and removed the political content. I'm not sure it's a good idea to try to reignite the debate.
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@JBK said:
A couple days ago the moderators sanitized this thread and removed the political content. I'm not sure it's a good idea to try to reignite the debate..
Thanks for pointing that out.
So, I edited my post to remove my comments.
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