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If Dahlonega started making coins again...

The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

What would its mintmark be? Would you change Denver's mintmark at all?

Just a fun hypothetical question. Of course, there are no discussions happening anywhere to resurrect the old facility.

Feel free to post your Dahlonega pieces!

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  • WACoinGuyWACoinGuy Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭

    G?

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DH? “Dahlonega.

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  • JWPJWP Posts: 28,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    D2

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can never pronounce or spell Dahlonega so I’d like the whole name spelled out instead of just initials maybe 🤔

    Mr_Spud

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would apply for a job with them! B)

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    R2d2

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    🍑

  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While the question itself is entirely hypothetical (since such a re-openeing would be excessively improbable), the related question is more meaningful: what mintmark would be adopted if a new mint were opened in some other city whose name began with "D" - and also assuming the Denver mint remained in operation at the same time.

    Logically, more letters would be added. A new mint in Detroit, for example, might use "DT", while Dallas might be "DS". On that basis, Dahlonega might be "DL", or perhaps "DA" or "DG".

    The precedent for this is, of course, Carson City, the second "mint city beginning with C", which simply added a second letter.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2025 6:29PM

    Dahlonega Privy Mark 🌞

    Mr_Spud

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yah not sure the south is going to get another mint after how they handled the last batch.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just use a peach

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  • CoffeeTimeCoffeeTime Posts: 139 ✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    Dahlonega Privy Mark 🌞

    Nice!

    Too bad you didn’t get a chance to design the coins with those characters

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That be nice to see a floor plan for something like that or an artist version, just saying

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    That be nice to see a floor plan for something like that or an artist version, just saying

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JWP said:
    D2

    No, it should be D1. Dahlonega issued its first coins in 1838. The Denver Mint didn't issue anything until 1906.

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  • JWPJWP Posts: 28,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2025 2:04PM

    @Billjones your right. I'm still looking for a coin from DAHLONEGA. It may have to go on my bucket list.

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A complete collection of Dahlonega obverse mint marked Liberty head half eagles.

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    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The D and C mints were established to coin gold from the Georgia and Carolina gold fields because the journey to Philadelphia was so difficult and hazardous.

    If you look at the mint directors reports, https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/publisherdetail/51, you will see the data.

    Perhaps the most interesting is 1850, because that includes the first California gold

    If you assume all of the gold deposited at Charlotte was from the NC fields and all of the gold deposited at Dahlonega was from GA fields...

    NC $6.5m
    GA $6m

    the first "year" of CA production is almost as much gold as the other fields ever produced.

    Skip ahead a few years

    $57k in GA gold, mintage of the 1859D $5 eagle is a little over 10k pieces... it's not worth keeping the lights on.

    However...

    https://dlg.usg.edu/collections/dlg_dahl/history

    After the U.S. dollar was removed from the gold standard in 1973, gold prices were allowed to freely float in response to market forces. Throughout the rest of the 1970s, the price of gold soared--reaching an all-time high of $870 per ounce for a short time on 21 January 1980, although it has since declined to less than $300. There was a very brief revival of interest in gold mining during this period, although the elevated price did not last long enough to offset the very high cost of production and thus encourage sustained gold operations on an industrial scale. Nevertheless, there's still a lot of "gold in them thar hills"--so it's always possible that a future rise in gold prices might create yet another gold rush!

    Could it be?

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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always thought it was inconsistent that it was too expensive and arduous to transport gold from GA/NC to Philadelphia but then all of the sudden it was no problem at all to transport gold from California into GA/NC.

    I’m sure the GA/NC politicians probably overstated the problem.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    GA and NC didn't receive gold from CA. Compare the production with the deposits.

    Take the 1849 line above. $102k from NC was deposited at Philly, $390k at the Charlotte mint.

    In 1849, Charlotte coined 11,634 gold dollars ($11,634). 10,220 quarter eagles ($25,550). 64,828 half eagles ($323,115).

    $360,299 in value.

    Now per the act of 1837, you could have your deposit coined

    but



    Note that earlier acts provided for deductions if you wanted your deposit paid faster than it could be coined.

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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    GA and NC didn't receive gold from CA. Compare the production with the deposits.

    Take the 1849 line above. $102k from NC was deposited at Philly, $390k at the Charlotte mint.

    In 1849, Charlotte coined 11,634 gold dollars ($11,634). 10,220 quarter eagles ($25,550). 64,828 half eagles ($323,115).

    $360,299 in value.

    Now per the act of 1837, you could have your deposit coined

    but



    Note that earlier acts provided for deductions if you wanted your deposit paid faster than it could be coined.

    Doug Winter frequently writes about the color change in minted coinage at Dahlonega and Charlotte due to the gold being sourced from CA.

    Is he wrong? Maybe. He also writes about the poor quality of the 1861-D dollars due to “lack of the rebels minting expertise” as if a bunch of hillbillies descended on the mint and replaced the regular employees.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I looked at ONE YEAR. Things might have changed. You are welcome to read through the reports from 1851 until the mint closed. Left as an exercise for the reader.

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  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:
    I looked at ONE YEAR. Things might have changed. You are welcome to read through the reports from 1851 until the mint closed. Left as an exercise for the reader.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong. I was just under that impression from reading Doug’s books years ago. If true it seemed inconsistent to me anyway as noted above.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The story was a bunch of miners left Dahlonega for California in search of greener pastures. After finding some California gold, some came back to Dahlonega brining their gold with them. According to the sources I have read to peak year for submitting California gold at the Dahlonega Mint was 1853. The mintage for $5 gold coins seems to support the fact that gold was coming from more sources in addition to the Dahlonega area goldfields.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan White said:

    @BStrauss3 said:
    GA and NC didn't receive gold from CA. Compare the production with the deposits.

    Take the 1849 line above. $102k from NC was deposited at Philly, $390k at the Charlotte mint.

    In 1849, Charlotte coined 11,634 gold dollars ($11,634). 10,220 quarter eagles ($25,550). 64,828 half eagles ($323,115).

    $360,299 in value.

    Now per the act of 1837, you could have your deposit coined

    but



    Note that earlier acts provided for deductions if you wanted your deposit paid faster than it could be coined.

    Doug Winter frequently writes about the color change in minted coinage at Dahlonega and Charlotte due to the gold being sourced from CA.

    Is he wrong? Maybe. He also writes about the poor quality of the 1861-D dollars due to “lack of the rebels minting expertise” as if a bunch of hillbillies descended on the mint and replaced the regular employees.

    The quality of the 1861-D gold dollars was also due the state of the dies. The “heads side” side was also used for the 1860-D dollars. The “U” in “UNITED” was virtually gone on both.

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  • olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 912 ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly I am not against the idea of reopening old mints. It can be done cost effectively and you can have small minting facilities and politicians can say they got federal jobs to their districts without it costing the government anything.

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olympicsos said:
    Honestly I am not against the idea of reopening old mints. It can be done cost effectively and you can have small minting facilities and politicians can say they got federal jobs to their districts without it costing the government anything.

    They could easily mint 1000 coins a day at Carson City.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "OD" as they were the "OG" of the "D"

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan White said:

    @olympicsos said:
    Honestly I am not against the idea of reopening old mints. It can be done cost effectively and you can have small minting facilities and politicians can say they got federal jobs to their districts without it costing the government anything.

    They could easily mint 1000 coins a day at Carson City.

    I've thought about this too. It could start with "on deposit" minting where visitors could turn old coins or raw materials in to exchange for new pieces. Any idea how much it would cost to build a working replica of Coin Press No. 1?

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  • olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 912 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2025 6:03AM

    Doesn't have to be the old mint buildings itself, could be a new building, could be one where the US Mint rents out floors to others. Allows for more mixing and matching of mintmarks too.

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olympicsos said:
    Doesn't have to be the old mint buildings itself, could be a new building, could be one where the US Mint rents out floors to others. Allows for more mixing and matching of mintmarks too.

    That's the point though. It should be in the original mint building and location to be authentic. That would mean only Carson City and New Orleans. The original location at Dahlonega exists but not the building. The original building at Charlotte exists but at a different location.

  • olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 912 ✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan White said:

    @olympicsos said:
    Doesn't have to be the old mint buildings itself, could be a new building, could be one where the US Mint rents out floors to others. Allows for more mixing and matching of mintmarks too.

    That's the point though. It should be in the original mint building and location to be authentic. That would mean only Carson City and New Orleans. The original location at Dahlonega exists but not the building. The original building at Charlotte exists but at a different location.

    San Francisco is in its third building, Philadelphia is in its fourth building.

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @olympicsos said:

    @Morgan White said:

    @olympicsos said:
    Doesn't have to be the old mint buildings itself, could be a new building, could be one where the US Mint rents out floors to others. Allows for more mixing and matching of mintmarks too.

    That's the point though. It should be in the original mint building and location to be authentic. That would mean only Carson City and New Orleans. The original location at Dahlonega exists but not the building. The original building at Charlotte exists but at a different location.

    San Francisco is in its third building, Philadelphia is in its fourth building.

    I get that but they are a continuation of uninterrupted operations, not a newly built souvenir shop in the local strip mall. The thing that would add legitimacy to restarting a mint would be to do it in an authentic way at the original location.

  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2025 3:23PM

    @BillJones said:
    The story was a bunch of miners left Dahlonega for California in search of greener pastures. After finding some California gold, some came back to Dahlonega brining their gold with them. According to the sources I have read to peak year for submitting California gold at the Dahlonega Mint was 1853. The mintage for $5 gold coins seems to support the fact that gold was coming from more sources in addition to the Dahlonega area goldfields.

    which gives

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    is the P mint in the same location and building?

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  • VKurtBVKurtB Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    Dahlonega still sounds like a NASCAR race to me. “Welcome, race fans, to the 2025 Dahlonega Fo’ Hunnnert.”

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