@Maywood said: @perkdog said: He might be on the same level. as Russell Wilson.
I think there's a difference between the two:
--- Wilson was still in the midst of his career when he was traded to Denver and to all eyes he made a conscious decision to mail it in for that season, when he was traded to be a starter and revive Denver. Even when he was traded from Denver the presumption was for him to start. Somewhere after his 1st year in Denver I think it became clear to fans that he was done as a starting QB. I am not sure if the NFL knows that yet, he keeps getting tabbed as a starter.
--- Joe Flacco was still doing a fine job as a starter until he was injured and the change to Lamar Jackson took place. In a strange twist, Flacco was traded to Denver as a starter but when a mid-season injury sidelined him again I think his career was relegated to being a back-up and no longer QB1 with any franchise.
In my mind they are both back-ups so I'm in agreement with you, but I think part of the NFL still thinks Wilson can be a QB1.
You could be correct but I think the Giants will be his last stop as a starter going forward at this point
@galaxy27 said:
i want you guys to ff to the 1:00 mark and watch the game-winning TD where Lawrence fell down, then scored. pay particular attention to Chris Jones, who was lined up over the right guard. only thing that dude cared about was tapping out and collecting his fat paycheck.
i sure wish darin was around so i could get his take on this
I bet his teammates will be thinking a lot of things during films, doubt anyone will call him out, even the Walrus might keep quiet but he deserves a mouthful of insults after that nonsense
Chiefs' All-Pro Chris Jones removes himself from social media following criticism over tough Week 5 loss to Jaguars - Yahoo Sports https://share.google/bPnKLcH6gyFLss8kb
LOL he gets off social media and says "We just gotta finish plays"
Ummm yeah Chris, that means not standing there while a QB trips, falls on the ground and proceeds to get up
and run it in for a TD while your standing there watching
Chris Jones is a beast and I know that but that was a bad look
@galaxy27 said:
i want you guys to ff to the 1:00 mark and watch the game-winning TD where Lawrence fell down, then scored. pay particular attention to Chris Jones,
Saw that during the game. Sad effort - actually no effort.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
"Free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. revealed that he accepted a six-game suspension from the NFL and will be ineligible to play until Week 12 during an appearance on the Pivot podcast Tuesday (October 7).
Beckham, 32, failed a performance-enhancing drug test last year, but claims he never knowingly took PEDs. The former All-Pro wide receiver recorded nine receptions for 55 yards in nine appearances during his lone seasons with the Miami Dolphins in 2024."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
@Steven59 said:
Didn't even know OBJ was even still in the NFL.
"Free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. revealed that he accepted a six-game suspension from the NFL and will be ineligible to play until Week 12 during an appearance on the Pivot podcast Tuesday (October 7).
Beckham, 32, failed a performance-enhancing drug test last year, but claims he never knowingly took PEDs. The former All-Pro wide receiver recorded nine receptions for 55 yards in nine appearances during his lone seasons with the Miami Dolphins in 2024."
Just another idiot that self ruined his own career because he couldn't shut his mouth
@galaxy27 said:
i want you guys to ff to the 1:00 mark and watch the game-winning TD where Lawrence fell down, then scored. pay particular attention to Chris Jones, who was lined up over the right guard. only thing that dude cared about was tapping out and collecting his fat paycheck.
i sure wish darin was around so i could get his take on this
@Steven59 said:
If you think about it this way it's pretty funny...................
Imagine getting replaced by a 40 something year old hand me down lol
If I was him Id be more concerned that I might lose my job making a ton of money as a backup QB behind a stud now that I had to play lol. Back up QB and caddy in golf for an elite golfer are the two best jobs in professional sports
I know I’m old and I hate to reference older football but when Walter Payton scored a touchdown he handed the ball to the referee. I can’t remember a single time in 60 years of games anyone showboated away a touchdown until the last few years.
There’s and old saying about a scored goal in hockey. “Act like you’ve done it before and will do it again.”
Sorry, now get off my lawn!!
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@2dueces said:
I know I’m old and I hate to reference older football but when Walter Payton scored a touchdown he handed the ball to the referee. I can’t remember a single time in 60 years of games anyone showboated away a touchdown until the last few years.
There’s and old saying about a scored goal in hockey. “Act like you’ve done it before and will do it again.”
Sorry, now get off my lawn!!
dont hate referencing older players. Walter did it the RIGHT way. Barry Sanders did the same thing. acted like he had been there before!
OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. Just for comparison because he wants to see himself as elite, let's compare OBJ to Justin Jefferson and Ja'mar Chase regarding "catching" the ball when it's thrown to each receiver. Because, after all, that's what he bases his "eliteness" on.
--- OBJ, 59% catch rate.
--- Jefferson, 67% catch rate.
--- Chase, 68% catch rate.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Looks like the Browns are on the verge of a fire-sale as they swapped DB's/draft picks with the Jaguars. Greg Newsome, based on what I've seen during his time in Cleveland, had become a liability..
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@bgr said:
his rookie year was amazing across the board. remember he was out the first 4 games. just forget everything about his career after that season.
35 touchdowns and 4000 yards in his first three seasons. C'mon.
@bgr said:
his rookie year was amazing across the board. remember he was out the first 4 games. just forget everything about his career after that season.
35 touchdowns and 4000 yards in his first three seasons. C'mon.
I was offering Maywood a golden bridge. But he did fall off a cliff so while the timeframe was exaggerated… it eventually happened.
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I’m glad you asked because most people are not aware that there are both confined and unconfined aquifers. Unconfined aquifers are commonly polluted by various contaminants and requires filtration or other process to make safe for drinking.
@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
I can go so far as to say it’s a great headline. I would click that link. It’s not true more than it’s not false however
Now let me explain why. I consider myself to be a bit of a OBJ expert as I had the foresight to stash him on my fantasy bench for those 4 weeks he was out that magical first season. Because he was starting for me in game 5 on I was watching a lot of those games. The Catch - might have been the best ever so it deserves the attention. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have 2 more great seasons. Injuries certainly played a major factor in his decline so I hesitate to blame much on his attitude or ego.
Either way the guy may have the 3 best catches in NFL history during his career. That’s why I roll my eyes at your headline - it’s still a good one.
@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
@Maywood said: OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
I can go so far as to say it’s a great headline. I would click that link. It’s not true more than it’s not false however
Now let me explain why. I consider myself to be a bit of a OBJ expert as I had the foresight to stash him on my fantasy bench for those 4 weeks he was out that magical first season. Because he was starting for me in game 5 on I was watching a lot of those games. The Catch - might have been the best ever so it deserves the attention. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have 2 more great seasons. Injuries certainly played a major factor in his decline so I hesitate to blame much on his attitude or ego.
Either way the guy may have the 3 best catches in NFL history during his career. That’s why I roll my eyes at your headline - it’s still a good one.
So. he made a legendary career out of 3 catches?
OBJ was a solid receiver, I think he suffered from playing behind sub par QB's and his numbers would have been better had he played on better teams
@Maywood said: OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
I can go so far as to say it’s a great headline. I would click that link. It’s not true more than it’s not false however
Now let me explain why. I consider myself to be a bit of a OBJ expert as I had the foresight to stash him on my fantasy bench for those 4 weeks he was out that magical first season. Because he was starting for me in game 5 on I was watching a lot of those games. The Catch - might have been the best ever so it deserves the attention. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have 2 more great seasons. Injuries certainly played a major factor in his decline so I hesitate to blame much on his attitude or ego.
Either way the guy may have the 3 best catches in NFL history during his career. That’s why I roll my eyes at your headline - it’s still a good one.
So. he made a legendary career out of 3 catches?
OBJ was a solid receiver, I think he suffered from playing behind sub par QB's and his numbers would have been better had he played on better teams
I wasn't saying he did or did not have a legendary career. He was fun to watch for a while tho.
@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
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@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
Well they shouldn't have spent all that money on him if the team needed money spent elsewhere, like kept Keenum and spent that money on lineman.
But hey they got great stats out of him and won nothing so job well done there
@Maywood said: OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
I can go so far as to say it’s a great headline. I would click that link. It’s not true more than it’s not false however
Now let me explain why. I consider myself to be a bit of a OBJ expert as I had the foresight to stash him on my fantasy bench for those 4 weeks he was out that magical first season. Because he was starting for me in game 5 on I was watching a lot of those games. The Catch - might have been the best ever so it deserves the attention. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have 2 more great seasons. Injuries certainly played a major factor in his decline so I hesitate to blame much on his attitude or ego.
Either way the guy may have the 3 best catches in NFL history during his career. That’s why I roll my eyes at your headline - it’s still a good one.
So. he made a legendary career out of 3 catches?
OBJ was a solid receiver, I think he suffered from playing behind sub par QB's and his numbers would have been better had he played on better teams
I wasn't saying he did or did not have a legendary career. He was fun to watch for a while tho.
I wasn't saying you did, just wanted to clarify hence the question mark
@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
Well they shouldn't have spent all that money on him if the team needed money spent elsewhere, like kept Keenum and spent that money on lineman.
But hey they got great stats out of him and won nothing so job well done there
I was in favor of keeping Keenum.
When they decided they needed Cousins, it became obvious he was not a mobile QB, yet the Vikings did little or nothing to improve the pass blocking. They tried to draft a few offensive lineman, but none of them panned out until O'Neil. Elflein and Bradbury were high picks that failed.
One year there was a guard who had been all pro who wanted to get paid and was available. The Vikings passed on him, he went to Denver and was immediately their best lineman.
Meanwhile they quickly let the top ranked defense completely fall apart. They let 6 or 7 starters leave one year.
I actually think the problem was between the head coach and the GM. Zimmer didn't want Cousins either.
Spielman was the GM, and his favorite thing to do was trade DOWN and pick up multiple 5th-7th round picks. These guys almost never even made the team.
Bottom line to me is, if you decide you need a "top rated" QB, you need to build a team around his strengths and you can't just let the defense fall apart.
It's ridiculous to put the blame on Cousins. The guy got the crud kicked out of him every week and was still one of the better QB's in the league.
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@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
Well they shouldn't have spent all that money on him if the team needed money spent elsewhere, like kept Keenum and spent that money on lineman.
But hey they got great stats out of him and won nothing so job well done there
I was in favor of keeping Keenum.
When they decided they needed Cousins, it became obvious he was not a mobile QB, yet the Vikings did little or nothing to improve the pass blocking. They tried to draft a few offensive lineman, but none of them panned out until O'Neil. Elflein and Bradbury were high picks that failed.
One year there was a guard who had been all pro who wanted to get paid and was available. The Vikings passed on him, he went to Denver and was immediately their best lineman.
Meanwhile they quickly let the top ranked defense completely fall apart. They let 6 or 7 starters leave one year.
I actually think the problem was between the head coach and the GM. Zimmer didn't want Cousins either.
Spielman was the GM, and his favorite thing to do was trade DOWN and pick up multiple 5th-7th round picks. These guys almost never even made the team.
Bottom line to me is, if you decide you need a "top rated" QB, you need to build a team around his strengths and you can't just let the defense fall apart.
It's ridiculous to put the blame on Cousins. The guy got the crud kicked out of him every week and was still one of the better QB's in the league.
Looks like the Dillon Gabriel experiment isn't working real well, probably because Flacco wasn't the problem and Gabriel isn't the solution. When your offensive line and receivers suck it's hard to do anything. The Browns defense is doing what they usually do but the offense has a total of 34 yards with 3 minutes left in the 1st half.
That's just criminal.
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@Maywood said:
Looks like the Dillon Gabriel experiment isn't working real well, probably because Flacco wasn't the problem and Gabriel isn't the solution. When your offensive line and receivers suck it's hard to do anything. The Browns defense is doing what they usually do but the offense has a total of 34 yards with 3 minutes left in the 1st half.
That's just criminal.
Did not play the Browns, but Pittsburgh was letting the Browns hang around for awhile. Much like GB did when the Browns upset GB.
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@Desert Moon said:
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
Well they shouldn't have spent all that money on him if the team needed money spent elsewhere, like kept Keenum and spent that money on lineman.
But hey they got great stats out of him and won nothing so job well done there
I was in favor of keeping Keenum.
When they decided they needed Cousins, it became obvious he was not a mobile QB, yet the Vikings did little or nothing to improve the pass blocking. They tried to draft a few offensive lineman, but none of them panned out until O'Neil. Elflein and Bradbury were high picks that failed.
One year there was a guard who had been all pro who wanted to get paid and was available. The Vikings passed on him, he went to Denver and was immediately their best lineman.
Meanwhile they quickly let the top ranked defense completely fall apart. They let 6 or 7 starters leave one year.
I actually think the problem was between the head coach and the GM. Zimmer didn't want Cousins either.
Spielman was the GM, and his favorite thing to do was trade DOWN and pick up multiple 5th-7th round picks. These guys almost never even made the team.
Bottom line to me is, if you decide you need a "top rated" QB, you need to build a team around his strengths and you can't just let the defense fall apart.
It's ridiculous to put the blame on Cousins. The guy got the crud kicked out of him every week and was still one of the better QB's in the league.
Fair defense about Cousins I just never liked him
I've watched nearly every Viking football game since the mid to late 1960's and Cousins was the best passer we ever had.
Not the best Quarterback, that would be Tarkenton, by a mile, but the best thrower of the football. He was pretty much a statue back there, but the guy had a great arm and was extremely accurate. I can't remember a period of time when the Vikings had a worse O line. Just horrible.
I'm not counting Favre, who was here for a couple of years.
I'm sure you enjoyed it when Cousins left Minnesota and Atlanta used their 1st pick on a Quarterback. Oops, maybe should have stayed in Minnesota Kirk.
Kirk certainly goes for the money, but he did sign here for less than the Jets offered him. But......the Jets, yuck.
He was not a top 5 NFL QB, during his time, but he was just below those guys.
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@Maywood said:
Looks like the Dillon Gabriel experiment isn't working real well, probably because Flacco wasn't the problem and Gabriel isn't the solution. When your offensive line and receivers suck it's hard to do anything. The Browns defense is doing what they usually do but the offense has a total of 34 yards with 3 minutes left in the 1st half.
That's just criminal.
Having the guy throw 52 times in his second NFL start just seems like a recipe for disaster.
If they decide to throw Shedeur out there for a start at some point, hopefully it’s that 10/26 game when the Browns come to NE.
Like I said earlier in the thread, nobody likes a Quarterback controversy and it's a shame that this one was CREATED by Cleveland with absolutely no help from the outside world. And you're right, 52 passes is ridiculous with a 56% completion rate. It's hard to say more before I at least look at highlights but the Browns, particularly Kevin Stefanski, don't seem to have a planned way of attacking on offense. Next off-season they just need to leave the defense alone and get themselves some help. They have scored 82 points in 6 games.
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Mason Graham - Optimistic?
Denzel Ward - Stud
Baker Mayfield - Good but not good enough for the Browns.
Trent Richardson - Bust
Joe Thomas - Absolute Stud
Braylon Edwards - Meh
Gerard Warren - Not a Total Bust, Bust
Countney Brown - Bust that everyone except the Browns saw coming - See Greg Oden.
Tim Couch - So long and thanks for all the shoes.
The Browns are pretty bad, but they're not the worst. Would NFL teams have better results using auto-pick with a snake draft next season?
@Maywood said:
Looks like the Dillon Gabriel experiment isn't working real well, probably because Flacco wasn't the problem and Gabriel isn't the solution. When your offensive line and receivers suck it's hard to do anything. The Browns defense is doing what they usually do but the offense has a total of 34 yards with 3 minutes left in the 1st half.
That's just criminal.
The Browns will never be anything as long as Stefanski is the HC.
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@Steven59 said:
Always nice to see the Cowboys choke
If they keep losing, one might feel sorry for them …. NOT.
The “America’s team” thing really irritated me. They are not MY team.
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@Steven59 said: The Browns will never be anything as long as Stefanski is the HC
In the past I have been a defender of Kevin Stefanski but the longer this goes on the the more my confidence slips. Right now the future is bleak and the guy is an enigma. In his 6th season and the guy either has a losing record or wins Coach of the Year. How does someone do that?? His only saving grace right now might be that he has no control in player choice, that rests with Andrew Berry. Stefanski has "input" but no actual choice.
I think it's safe to say that the Honeymoon is over and the Triumvirate of Haslam, Berry and Stefanski needs to give someone else a try.
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You could be correct but I think the Giants will be his last stop as a starter going forward at this point
That is shocking
I bet his teammates will be thinking a lot of things during films, doubt anyone will call him out, even the Walrus might keep quiet but he deserves a mouthful of insults after that nonsense
Chiefs' All-Pro Chris Jones removes himself from social media following criticism over tough Week 5 loss to Jaguars - Yahoo Sports https://share.google/bPnKLcH6gyFLss8kb
LOL he gets off social media and says "We just gotta finish plays"
Ummm yeah Chris, that means not standing there while a QB trips, falls on the ground and proceeds to get up
and run it in for a TD while your standing there watching
Chris Jones is a beast and I know that but that was a bad look
Saw that during the game. Sad effort - actually no effort.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Didn't even know OBJ was even still in the NFL.
"Free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. revealed that he accepted a six-game suspension from the NFL and will be ineligible to play until Week 12 during an appearance on the Pivot podcast Tuesday (October 7).
Beckham, 32, failed a performance-enhancing drug test last year, but claims he never knowingly took PEDs. The former All-Pro wide receiver recorded nine receptions for 55 yards in nine appearances during his lone seasons with the Miami Dolphins in 2024."
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Just another idiot that self ruined his own career because he couldn't shut his mouth
but that first season... magic.
what a joke.
speaking of darin, where is he. havent heard from him in awhile
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
If I was him Id be more concerned that I might lose my job making a ton of money as a backup QB behind a stud now that I had to play lol. Back up QB and caddy in golf for an elite golfer are the two best jobs in professional sports
Fire AJ Preller
I know I’m old and I hate to reference older football but when Walter Payton scored a touchdown he handed the ball to the referee. I can’t remember a single time in 60 years of games anyone showboated away a touchdown until the last few years.
There’s and old saying about a scored goal in hockey. “Act like you’ve done it before and will do it again.”
Sorry, now get off my lawn!!
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dont hate referencing older players. Walter did it the RIGHT way. Barry Sanders did the same thing. acted like he had been there before!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Yep I was going to say Barry Sanders did it classy as well
I think a lot of the TD nonsense started with Emmitt Smith ripping his helmet off after scoring
OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. Just for comparison because he wants to see himself as elite, let's compare OBJ to Justin Jefferson and Ja'mar Chase regarding "catching" the ball when it's thrown to each receiver. Because, after all, that's what he bases his "eliteness" on.
--- OBJ, 59% catch rate.
--- Jefferson, 67% catch rate.
--- Chase, 68% catch rate.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
his rookie year was amazing across the board. remember he was out the first 4 games. just forget everything about his career after that season.
Looks like the Browns are on the verge of a fire-sale as they swapped DB's/draft picks with the Jaguars. Greg Newsome, based on what I've seen during his time in Cleveland, had become a liability..
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Greg Newsome, based on what I've seen during his time in Cleveland, had become a liability..
He wore out his welcome with his mediocre play and always dancing and showing off when he would make a play on the ball/receiver.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
35 touchdowns and 4000 yards in his first three seasons. C'mon.
Great TNF game tonight! Dart and Skatebo looked pretty damn good............
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I was offering Maywood a golden bridge. But he did fall off a cliff so while the timeframe was exaggerated… it eventually happened.
Gotta say, 1rst it was Case Keenum, had his best year as a Vike and took them to the NGC championship let alone ‘The Minnesota Miracle’. But didn’t re-sign him and signed laughable Cousins instead. Cousins proved to be the non-elite qb he always was and went on to fail at Atlanta after being in Vike land for a few years.
2nd, it was Sam Darnold who had a break out year last year, took the Vikes to 14-2, and they don’t re-sign him. He is going on to have a stellar year at Seattle. Huh?
What kind of dysfunction is that? Vike management don’t seem to have a clue. You’d think their next target is the Karp (Kaprisov) if the Vilde has not already locked him up and over paid for the next few years (maybe 15th best forward in NHL and paid him more than anyone). Is there something in the water in Minnesota? How can they continue to screw up so many times?
I’m glad you asked because most people are not aware that there are both confined and unconfined aquifers. Unconfined aquifers are commonly polluted by various contaminants and requires filtration or other process to make safe for drinking.
It’s worth looking into.
I always laughed at the Vikes for discarding Keenum after he only took them to the Championship game lol
Coaches love to our coach themselves but GM's out GM'ing themselves is just as funny.
Cousins is a clown, sure he put up good stats and the reward was not sniffing another championship game with him
OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch.
I can't believe I quoted myself, but I did. And I don't need a golden bridge.
Just so there's no confusion I'll repeat myself, OBJ built a mediocre career and legend out of one catch. When he's brought up or highlights are shown the details of his first 3 years aren't mentioned and the rest of his career isn't discussed. Two things always take center stage, that one-handed catch and the piss-poor attitude he has, prima-donna-itis. The funny thing is that the greatness of the catch fades with each season as they have become routine in the NFL. Given enough time the OBJ line will be "He was quite a talented receiver but he squandered any chance at a great career due to his divisiveness."
Right now he is relegated to 3rd-4th receiver on a team that has a shot at the playoffs(if he even plays at all). Due to substance abuse problems he doesn't have a high upside and will be fortunate to play again.
JMHO, of course.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I can go so far as to say it’s a great headline. I would click that link. It’s not true more than it’s not false however
Now let me explain why. I consider myself to be a bit of a OBJ expert as I had the foresight to stash him on my fantasy bench for those 4 weeks he was out that magical first season. Because he was starting for me in game 5 on I was watching a lot of those games. The Catch - might have been the best ever so it deserves the attention. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t have 2 more great seasons. Injuries certainly played a major factor in his decline so I hesitate to blame much on his attitude or ego.
Either way the guy may have the 3 best catches in NFL history during his career. That’s why I roll my eyes at your headline - it’s still a good one.
Whew. At least no one mentioned the Twins.
So. he made a legendary career out of 3 catches?
OBJ was a solid receiver, I think he suffered from playing behind sub par QB's and his numbers would have been better had he played on better teams
I wasn't saying he did or did not have a legendary career. He was fun to watch for a while tho.
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Keenum did NOT take them to the Championship game. That Vikings defense was #1 in both points and yardage allowed.
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Cousins was no clown. His second year with the Vikings he was great in the playoff loss to the 49ers. Take a look at what the Vikings rushed for in that game. 21 total yards.
The next 3 seasons the Vikings defense was 29th, 24th, and 28th in points allowed. The offense produced over 424 points every one of those years.
Cousins was 31 of 39 passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions in the Wild Card loss to the Giants in 2023. Vikings defense allowed Daniel Jones to rush for 78 yards in that game. Vikings total was 61 yards rushing.
Vikings also had one of the worst pass blocking offensive lines during those years.
Cousins was FAR from being a "clown".
Well they shouldn't have spent all that money on him if the team needed money spent elsewhere, like kept Keenum and spent that money on lineman.
But hey they got great stats out of him and won nothing so job well done there
I wasn't saying you did, just wanted to clarify hence the question mark
I was in favor of keeping Keenum.
When they decided they needed Cousins, it became obvious he was not a mobile QB, yet the Vikings did little or nothing to improve the pass blocking. They tried to draft a few offensive lineman, but none of them panned out until O'Neil. Elflein and Bradbury were high picks that failed.
One year there was a guard who had been all pro who wanted to get paid and was available. The Vikings passed on him, he went to Denver and was immediately their best lineman.
Meanwhile they quickly let the top ranked defense completely fall apart. They let 6 or 7 starters leave one year.
I actually think the problem was between the head coach and the GM. Zimmer didn't want Cousins either.
Spielman was the GM, and his favorite thing to do was trade DOWN and pick up multiple 5th-7th round picks. These guys almost never even made the team.
Bottom line to me is, if you decide you need a "top rated" QB, you need to build a team around his strengths and you can't just let the defense fall apart.
It's ridiculous to put the blame on Cousins. The guy got the crud kicked out of him every week and was still one of the better QB's in the league.
Fair defense about Cousins I just never liked him
Looks like the Dillon Gabriel experiment isn't working real well, probably because Flacco wasn't the problem and Gabriel isn't the solution. When your offensive line and receivers suck it's hard to do anything. The Browns defense is doing what they usually do but the offense has a total of 34 yards with 3 minutes left in the 1st half.
That's just criminal.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Did not play the Browns, but Pittsburgh was letting the Browns hang around for awhile. Much like GB did when the Browns upset GB.
I've watched nearly every Viking football game since the mid to late 1960's and Cousins was the best passer we ever had.
Not the best Quarterback, that would be Tarkenton, by a mile, but the best thrower of the football. He was pretty much a statue back there, but the guy had a great arm and was extremely accurate. I can't remember a period of time when the Vikings had a worse O line. Just horrible.
I'm not counting Favre, who was here for a couple of years.
I'm sure you enjoyed it when Cousins left Minnesota and Atlanta used their 1st pick on a Quarterback. Oops, maybe should have stayed in Minnesota Kirk.
Kirk certainly goes for the money, but he did sign here for less than the Jets offered him. But......the Jets, yuck.
He was not a top 5 NFL QB, during his time, but he was just below those guys.
The Jets finished their loss to the Broncos with -10 passing yards for the game.
Justin Fields threw for 45 total passing yards and the 55yds lost on 9 sacks given up by his OL negated it all.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46573305/glenn-defends-justin-fields-jets-10-net-pass-yards
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Having the guy throw 52 times in his second NFL start just seems like a recipe for disaster.
If they decide to throw Shedeur out there for a start at some point, hopefully it’s that 10/26 game when the Browns come to NE.
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Jets can blame it on the lack of time change adjustment.😆
Like I said earlier in the thread, nobody likes a Quarterback controversy and it's a shame that this one was CREATED by Cleveland with absolutely no help from the outside world. And you're right, 52 passes is ridiculous with a 56% completion rate. It's hard to say more before I at least look at highlights but the Browns, particularly Kevin Stefanski, don't seem to have a planned way of attacking on offense. Next off-season they just need to leave the defense alone and get themselves some help. They have scored 82 points in 6 games.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
On the bright side of things Cleveland now holds one of the Top 5 picks in the next draft.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Cleveland Top 5 Picks.
Mason Graham - Optimistic?
Denzel Ward - Stud
Baker Mayfield - Good but not good enough for the Browns.
Trent Richardson - Bust
Joe Thomas - Absolute Stud
Braylon Edwards - Meh
Gerard Warren - Not a Total Bust, Bust
Countney Brown - Bust that everyone except the Browns saw coming - See Greg Oden.
Tim Couch - So long and thanks for all the shoes.
The Browns are pretty bad, but they're not the worst. Would NFL teams have better results using auto-pick with a snake draft next season?
The Browns will never be anything as long as Stefanski is the HC.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
That is extremely tough to do unless your the Jets
Always nice to see the Cowboys choke
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
If they keep losing, one might feel sorry for them …. NOT.
The “America’s team” thing really irritated me. They are not MY team.
I honestly thought this was a joke or a mistype.
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Ummm Ok
-10 passing yards means I was better than the Jets passing offense from the comfort of my couch
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@Steven59 said: The Browns will never be anything as long as Stefanski is the HC
In the past I have been a defender of Kevin Stefanski but the longer this goes on the the more my confidence slips. Right now the future is bleak and the guy is an enigma. In his 6th season and the guy either has a losing record or wins Coach of the Year. How does someone do that?? His only saving grace right now might be that he has no control in player choice, that rests with Andrew Berry. Stefanski has "input" but no actual choice.
I think it's safe to say that the Honeymoon is over and the Triumvirate of Haslam, Berry and Stefanski needs to give someone else a try.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46583863/titans-fire-coach-brian-callahan-1-5-start-2025
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