@RonSportscards said:
The big submitters like 4SC are devaluing collections by sheer high volume of submissions.
They are just a machine of ripping wax and vending and getting high gem rate returns, then flooding the market.
I see this with some 80s cards for the guy I collect, Ron Cey, for example.
I know he's no HOFer or highly collected Superstar, but the volume of submissions seem to have been ramped up.
The number of graded PSA10 of many of his 80s cards have nearly doubled since 2021
(gemrate.com records only go back to 2021).
One of the more dramatic examples is the 1986 Donruss Ron Cey.
The gem rate and number of submission remained unchanged from at least 2021 to 2024.
But in the last year alone, the number of graded PSA10s has doubled from 18 to 36!!
For the 1987 Topps Ron Cey, there's been a spike in the number of submissions in the last 1.5 years.
While the gem rate percentage reduced, the number of PSA10s, that didn't change from at least 2021-2024, has now more than doubled from 6 to 14.
This goes for early 1980s Ceys also.
For both 1981 Donruss and 1983 Fleer, submission have increased steadily over the last 4 years, but so has the number of graded PSA10s, doubling over just the last 4 years.
From 9 to 18 PSA10s for 1981 Donruss, and from 10 to 22 PSA10s for 1983 Fleer.
And card prices and card values have reflected that.
I don't know if this trend is happening with other lower tiered stars 1980s cards or commons.
they rip a lot because they know the results coming. it would a waste of time and doe for most of us. mainly 8 and 9 for us.imo.
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It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
@bgr said:
If you don't like what someone has to say just picture them in their underwear or something like that...
I'd prefer to envision them waiting in line to use the restroom at Wrigley. That's a punishment. When finished, they can return to the seat with the obstructed view.
The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan #57 PSA-10 has been selling for $200k+...recently.
When I sold mine in early 2023 (a retirement gift to myself purchased in February 2022 in a Heritage Auction and paid $10k over the going price at the time for a PSA-9...a couple people laughed on here that I overpaid for a PSA-9) after a review bump from a PSA-9 to a PSA-10...the card sold for $185k. Here is that card in a PSA-10 holder...
And here is the card in a PSA-9 holder from the Heritage Auction...along with a small description
Graded PSA Mint 9. Our offered card is a strong example of his 1986 Fleer card which has become a symbol that has come to represent the entire basketball hobby.
What caught my eye on this PSA-9 is the dead centering, bold colors and spot on registration which when the registration is off, there is a magenta color lining the cords of the white basketball net as well as along the top of Jordan's shoulder and arm.
@mintonlypls said:
The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan #57 PSA-10 has been selling for $200k+...recently.
When I sold mine in early 2023 (a retirement gift to myself purchased in February 2022 in a Heritage Auction and paid $10k over the going price at the time for a PSA-9...a couple people laughed on here that I overpaid for a PSA-9) after a review bump from a PSA-9 to a PSA-10...the card sold for $185k. Here is that card in a PSA-10 holder...
And here is the card in a PSA-9 holder from the Heritage Auction...along with a small description
Graded PSA Mint 9. Our offered card is a strong example of his 1986 Fleer card which has become a symbol that has come to represent the entire basketball hobby.
What caught my eye on this PSA-9 is the dead centering, bold colors and spot on registration which when the registration is off, there is a magenta color lining the cords of the white basketball net as well as along the top of Jordan's shoulder and arm.
So do you think you would have tried to Diamond the 9 if the service was available instead of a review?
Do you think it's Diamond worthy now even in a 10?
There is nothing negative about posting facts on what cards sold for or pointing out all of the manipulation going on in the hobby. Playing devils advocate. Its a conversation, I have a different perspective on this stuff. I don’t take any of this stuff very seriously.
Generally I like your posts, always liked Dpecks as well, those Ric Flair threads were amazing.
@olb31 said:
not sure why 80opc's is so negative. you would think me and him would really get along because we like opc's,
Yes…I would have submitted the ‘86 Fleer Jordan for an online Diamond Review in a PSA-9….but not as a PSA-10. The percentage of 10s receiving a black diamond (10s only) is very, very small….and probably would not be a candidate in a 10 holder.
When I submitted the 9….I thought that there was a 50% chance of bumping to a 10…and I decided to take that chance after having the card in hand.
The review cost after the surcharge for bumping to a 10 was $5000….increasing my cost in the card to $40,000.
When you submitted in 2022 it appears to be just prior to the "changes". Do you feel if you submitted it in current times a grade bump to 10 would still occur on a 86 Jordan?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
The card has dead centering, gorgeous color, spot-on registration and sharp corners that even today with stricter grading standards, I would submit it for review…and feel it would have a 50/50 chance of bumping to a PSA-10. The card does NOT look out of place in a 10-holder…even today.
@mintonlypls said:
Yes…I would have submitted the ‘86 Fleer Jordan for an online Diamond Review in a PSA-9….but not as a PSA-10. The percentage of 10s receiving a black diamond (10s only) is very, very small….and probably would not be a candidate in a 10 holder.
If you had submitted for Diamond as a 9 and it got a Gold Diamond, would you have then sent it in to PSA for a review?
Would you leave the Diamond sticker on? Do you think it influences (+ or -) PSAs views?
Silver and Gold Diamond are available for 10s also, not just Black.
Seems with such an iconic card, it would be a no-brainer to send in to try for any Diamond in a 10.
There's nothing really to lose at that point, and everything to gain.
@mintonlypls said:
The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan #57 PSA-10 has been selling for $200k+...recently.
When I sold mine in early 2023 (a retirement gift to myself purchased in February 2022 in a Heritage Auction and paid $10k over the going price at the time for a PSA-9...a couple people laughed on here that I overpaid for a PSA-9) after a review bump from a PSA-9 to a PSA-10...the card sold for $185k. Here is that card in a PSA-10 holder...
And here is the card in a PSA-9 holder from the Heritage Auction...along with a small description
Graded PSA Mint 9. Our offered card is a strong example of his 1986 Fleer card which has become a symbol that has come to represent the entire basketball hobby.
What caught my eye on this PSA-9 is the dead centering, bold colors and spot on registration which when the registration is off, there is a magenta color lining the cords of the white basketball net as well as along the top of Jordan's shoulder and arm.
You won’t the lottery. Congratulations!!!
IMO the card is a nine. The white specks on the corners are almost always deducted.
Not trying to stir the pot. I am genuinely happy for you.
@mintonlypls said:
A PSA-10 is more valuable than a PSA-9 (MBA-Gold)
I'm aware. And a PSA 10 Diamond (silver/gold/black) is likely more valuable than a PSA 10.
And at such a minimal cost for a MBA digital review with much more to potentially gain, it seemed a no-brainer (to me) to include it in your MBA sub.
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Yes, Census Medians Must be Maintained
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Haha.
Too bad I turned the joke of wrestling cards into a Million dollar plus deal.
Having loads of cards rise over 100 X when dudes like you talked smack is very rewarding.
I stopped posting on here because of comments like this.
It was a pleasure to watch the @Dpeck saga. Glad you made out so well.
It has been incredible.
I popped in because I found that thread interesting but quickly reminded after reading this thread why I left.
not sure why 80opc's is so negative. you would think me and him would really get along because we like opc's,
If you don't like what someone has to say just picture them in their underwear or something like that...
I'd prefer to envision them waiting in line to use the restroom at Wrigley. That's a punishment. When finished, they can return to the seat with the obstructed view.
The 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan #57 PSA-10 has been selling for $200k+...recently.
When I sold mine in early 2023 (a retirement gift to myself purchased in February 2022 in a Heritage Auction and paid $10k over the going price at the time for a PSA-9...a couple people laughed on here that I overpaid for a PSA-9) after a review bump from a PSA-9 to a PSA-10...the card sold for $185k. Here is that card in a PSA-10 holder...
And here is the card in a PSA-9 holder from the Heritage Auction...along with a small description
Graded PSA Mint 9. Our offered card is a strong example of his 1986 Fleer card which has become a symbol that has come to represent the entire basketball hobby.
What caught my eye on this PSA-9 is the dead centering, bold colors and spot on registration which when the registration is off, there is a magenta color lining the cords of the white basketball net as well as along the top of Jordan's shoulder and arm.
So do you think you would have tried to Diamond the 9 if the service was available instead of a review?
Do you think it's Diamond worthy now even in a 10?
There is nothing negative about posting facts on what cards sold for or pointing out all of the manipulation going on in the hobby. Playing devils advocate. Its a conversation, I have a different perspective on this stuff. I don’t take any of this stuff very seriously.
Generally I like your posts, always liked Dpecks as well, those Ric Flair threads were amazing.
Yes…I would have submitted the ‘86 Fleer Jordan for an online Diamond Review in a PSA-9….but not as a PSA-10. The percentage of 10s receiving a black diamond (10s only) is very, very small….and probably would not be a candidate in a 10 holder.
When I submitted the 9….I thought that there was a 50% chance of bumping to a 10…and I decided to take that chance after having the card in hand.
The review cost after the surcharge for bumping to a 10 was $5000….increasing my cost in the card to $40,000.
When you submitted in 2022 it appears to be just prior to the "changes". Do you feel if you submitted it in current times a grade bump to 10 would still occur on a 86 Jordan?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
The card has dead centering, gorgeous color, spot-on registration and sharp corners that even today with stricter grading standards, I would submit it for review…and feel it would have a 50/50 chance of bumping to a PSA-10. The card does NOT look out of place in a 10-holder…even today.
Why was it ever in a PSA 9 slab? Is PSA inept at… grading?
If you had submitted for Diamond as a 9 and it got a Gold Diamond, would you have then sent it in to PSA for a review?
Would you leave the Diamond sticker on? Do you think it influences (+ or -) PSAs views?
Silver and Gold Diamond are available for 10s also, not just Black.
Seems with such an iconic card, it would be a no-brainer to send in to try for any Diamond in a 10.
There's nothing really to lose at that point, and everything to gain.
A PSA-10 is more valuable than a PSA-9 (MBA-Gold)…so it’s a no brainer to send the card to PSA for review.
I don’t think a sticker influences a PSA grader.
You won’t the lottery. Congratulations!!!
IMO the card is a nine. The white specks on the corners are almost always deducted.
Not trying to stir the pot. I am genuinely happy for you.
He literally maxxed out the card and still come the what if’s for the most glamorous bump the forum has probably ever seen.
I never like to critique what folks pay for things because their intentions are there own and often different than ‘just get the cheapest price’.
If it’s something I really want I’ll pay whatever I want.
I'm aware. And a PSA 10 Diamond (silver/gold/black) is likely more valuable than a PSA 10.
And at such a minimal cost for a MBA digital review with much more to potentially gain, it seemed a no-brainer (to me) to include it in your MBA sub.