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Why is the 1963-D penny so difficult in high grade?

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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,026 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yeah but I found that out the last time I sent them off…

    Well, there you go!

    Wondercoin

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  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • you don't know me but I assure you whatever it get's it will be posted here . you will have to be patient because it will take some time.

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2025 6:29PM

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • ah > @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    nope like I said all the marbles or nothing. This is the best 1963 D coin that I will ever find . Because of how nice it is I am okay with that.

  • 8 more pictures I just took. I will take some more in the morning in the sunlight before I take it to the coin shop.






  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    new pics posted. goodnight

  • @Clackamas1 said:

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

    new pics posted goodnight

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    new pictures posted. goodnight

  • new pictures posted. goodnight

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also searched rolls of 63 and 63-D Lincolns several years ago. The OP coin pictured is very nice but I see it as a nice 65, maybe a 66 on a good day. There are just too many ticks for a 67. Send it in and see what happens. PCGS is just brutal on these early Memorial cents!

  • @Manorcourtman said:
    I also searched rolls of 63 and 63-D Lincolns several years ago. The OP coin pictured is very nice but I see it as a nice 65, maybe a 66 on a good day. There are just too many ticks for a 67. Send it in and see what happens. PCGS is just brutal on these early Memorial cents!

    thanks,mike

  • Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please post the results when the coin(s) come back from our hosts. I have a few '63-D OBW rolls and the couple of rolls I have gone through have some decent coins in them I think, I mean who wouldn't like 62 year old bright red copper? :) But not sure that they would grade high enough to warrant sending them in. In fact I am sure of it!

    K

    ANA LM
  • @ElKevvo said:
    Please post the results when the coin(s) come back from our hosts. I have a few '63-D OBW rolls and the couple of rolls I have gone through have some decent coins in them I think, I mean who wouldn't like 62 year old bright red copper? :) But not sure that they would grade high enough to warrant sending them in. In fact I am sure of it!

    K

    they open at 10:30 Eastern so I'll be going there first thing today.

    Pictures from sun light

  • I wish you could post videos . the Cartwheel luster on both sides is REAL B)

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:




    I am starting this thread back up again because I think I have found a promising 1963 D Lincoln cent that I think should grade at MS67 + I have looked high and low for this coin exclusively for the last couple of years . I stopped for a few months and gave others a chance to buy rolls I would have then looked and saw 3 sold and 7 available and bought them for 20 bucks a roll. I have bought from this seller several times and the coins were always clean and unsearched so I knew it could possibly be in one of them. Last roll last 1o or so coins I found it. I had 10 or so set aside as maybe's but I knew they wouldn't make the grade . This coin has it all I think. Cartwheel Luster , Great clean Eye appeal, Great Strike on both sides and only a few minor nicks . I have read that Luster can add to a coins grade well that should push mine to where it belongs MS67+. I have only had the coin a couple of days so I am still in shock , but I will take it to my local coin shop and have them submit it to PCGS for grading soon

    Nice pics

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    8 more pictures I just took. I will take some more in the morning in the sunlight before I take it to the coin shop.

    Pictures are real nice. When I start looking at the rim for hits I know it's nice. If the grader knows how tough these are it could get a pretty good grade. I'm not sure to suggest soaking it in acetone or not. It seems they and collectors don't mind the haze that much.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

    Not true. I don't believe pictures are ever definitive.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2025 8:42AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

    Not true. I don't believe pictures are ever definitive.

    And it wouldn't matter if you and everyone else here thought the coin should grade 68 - what counts is what PCGS grades it.
    Yet, @masterwax2000 keeps posting pictures and stating his case to anyone who will look.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm looking forward to seeing the follow up post - no matter what it grades - it'll be interesting. ;)

  • I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

  • @Clackamas1 said:

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

    Sent to PCGS with proof on my last post

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

    We're not at all unhappy for you.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

    Not happy for you < Indifference toward you.

    Simply waiting for PCGS's professional opinion.

    peacockcoins

  • VKurtBVKurtB Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    This thread:

    I got one.
    Nuh uh.
    Yeah Huh.

    [rinse, repeat]

    Member - ANA Exhibiting Committee, Membership and Outreach Committee, George Heath Society, PAN, FUN, ANA Qualified Exhibit Judge, Joe Boling Award winner, Glenn Smedley Award winner.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope you score with your Lincoln !

  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a 63-D but a 63 nonetheless. Just received it back in change today. They're still out there in this kind of shape still circulating after all these years.

  • all the remainder of my thousands of pennies went to coinstar .

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh brother.

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IkesT said:
    Oh brother.

  • third joke on this thread and third one I don't get. Explain and then if necessary I will elaborate of why I put my searched pennies into CoinStar.

  • currently up for auction on Great Collections MS67 1964 Lincoln cent

  • @masterwax2000 said:
    currently up for auction on Great Collections MS67 1964 Lincoln cent

    open in a new tab and zoom in

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @masterwax2000 said:
    currently up for auction on Great Collections MS67 1964 Lincoln cent

    open in a new tab and zoom in

    I did. You're right. It looks much better than yours.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • CregCreg Posts: 937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Good answer—

  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1964 Lincoln NOT a 1963-D
    Why do you keep comparing?

    are you going to compare a 36 to a 26-s? No the strikes are different and so much more... Why keep posting photos of BU No 1963-d images when you are trying to get a 63-d graded?

    Like me posting a 1917 and compare it to a 25-s; There are differences... Nuances of each date make them easier or harder to find. Some come with BOOMING luster and some come with matte looks... I know you think you found the top pop 63-d and I hope you did... But please stop posting 61, 62 and 64 dates trying to compare... They are different

  • masterwax2000masterwax2000 Posts: 48
    edited September 20, 2025 2:23AM

    glad this thread has gotten so much attention.

  • @Relaxn said:
    1964 Lincoln NOT a 1963-D
    Why do you keep comparing?

    are you going to compare a 36 to a 26-s? No the strikes are different and so much more... Why keep posting photos of BU No 1963-d images when you are trying to get a 63-d graded?

    Like me posting a 1917 and compare it to a 25-s; There are differences... Nuances of each date make them easier or harder to find. Some come with BOOMING luster and some come with matte looks... I know you think you found the top pop 63-d and I hope you did... But please stop posting 61, 62 and 64 dates trying to compare... They are different

    I don't post many words because I am not here to argue and cause problems. I post and have posted other 60's Lincoln cents especially recent ones showing the grades for the picture I attach . They surprise me , don't seem to surprise most on here. With coins in the condition they are in getting a MS67 V/S the MS67 Clackamas1 posted is Night and Day. I assume graders grade Lincoln cents not just specialize in 1 year so when I see what I see there should be no surprise that someone kinda new would see what gets a 67 these days and thinks hmmm mine seems just as good if not better and thinks how I do.

  • Morgan WhiteMorgan White Posts: 10,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    glad this thread has gotten so much attention.

    Literally 46% of the posts in this thread are yours.

  • after my coin comes back and I share the results I will never post on here again. I don't feel welcome. actually I feel the opposite.

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    all the remainder of my thousands of pennies went to coinstar .

    Yeah, I sold hundreds of rolls for nominal prices and hauled thousands to the bank. But I was able to save back many dozens of nice Gems and varieties even including a few nice '63-D's. I don't know why collectors think that these coins will all always be there when you can find many of them today in circulation.

    Why do we assume there will never be any demand for a nice attractive '63-d or 1968 penny?

    I even released 20 nice gemmy rolls of '60-D sm dts. I only saved solid Gem (MS-66) and better.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    after my coin comes back and I share the results I will never post on here again. I don't feel welcome. actually I feel the opposite.

    Don't let it get to you. There's a lot of hazing of the new guy everywhere.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.

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