American Liberty High Relief 1 ounce gold coins
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American Liberty High Relief 1 ounce gold coins
These are the latest mintages for the 1 ounce gold High Relief American Liberty coins:
2015: 49,325 coins
2017: 49,697 coins
2019: 24,609 coins
2021: 12,471 coins
2023: 12,188 coins
2025: ????????
What is interesting about these 1 ounce gold coins is the highest mintages sell for close to melt value, however the lowest two sell for a hefty premium at just over 12k mintages.
Recent prices for raw coins:
2015 $3713
2017 $3550
2019 $4249
2021 $6000
2023 $6000
Some brave soul has already purchased a graded presale of the 2025 coin at $5379.95 betting that the mint will again issue a lower mintage for this coin. However, no mintage has yet been posted on the website so far.
Based on recent prices though, it appears that the coins now have hit mintages worthy of buying.
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2021 $8200
2023 $5300
design premiums
2025 Liberty "ats" = 8,000 coins.
And 0 available to the ABPP's...
Great thread.
I didn't contemplate buying the 21 for a minute. I sure wish that I saw that coming.
I am NOT challenging your statement about the ABPP. But, I would like to clarify it.
While they do not appear to be taking pre-orders yet, LCR has listed multiple 'AD/AR' items.
CAC Example:
Link: https://lcrcoin.com/2025-w-american-liberty-series-gold-high-relief-ad-cac-pf70-founders/
NGC Example:
Link: https://lcrcoin.com/2025-w-american-liberty-series-gold-high-relief-ar-ngc-pf70-harrigal-signed/
Given these listings, LCR appears to believe that early access will be available for this release. Are you saying that there will be no 'ABPP/early access' for this item?
They are also slabbed as "advanced release" so they must have been ABPP eligible.
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If you aren't challenging the statement, I will. If reputable dealers have posted mock-ups for AR slabs, there WILL be AR slabs. They don't appear out of nowhere.
Given that past mintages have been around 12.5K, and given that 8K have been loaded, it is not unreasonable to assume the mintage will be around 10-12.5K, and that up to 2K will be AR. What IS unreasonable is to assume no AR, based on nothing other than an even 8K being loaded.
2021 is my favorite. Given the price now I'm not the only one.
You make some excellent points. Thank you for posting them.
Sometimes, I misread posts (e.g., sarcasm, running jokes, etc.). In this case, I wasn't really sure that I had interpreted the comment from @Rc5280 correctly. Which is why I asked for clarification, as opposed to challenging it.
HHL 3
HHL updated to 1
Mintage 12k
The Bigs have a product limit of 2k. Let's hope it stays that way...
https://www.usmint.gov/on/demandware.store/Sites-USM-Site/default/Product-Variation?pid=25DAAB
My ASSumption was based on no AB .gov page has been posted. Now that the AB page is up, I stand corrected.
See my post/link above.
Thanks!
Unfortunately, as the Superman fiasco demonstrated, the initial "its" means nothing. They could easily reload 8000 after "selling out". Then 8000 more....then 8000 more.
Does anyone remember how long that one was available?
I think it was around a week or two. It was expensive for the time, and a new, unique representation of Liberty.
It didn't catch fire until well after it sold out. Eventually, the low mintage, attractive design, and ever changing bi-annual issuance gave rise to the value you see today.
Unbelievably, the exact same thing happened again in 2023. We're slow, but we do eventually recognize the pattern.
This year's release will likely follow what happened with Sac. If it's pandemonium like FH, due to participation by buying clubs, expect mass cancellations, like Army privies.
The Mint seems serious about shutting down the gamers. Sac HHL still hasn't been lifted, and a non-trivial amount have been added back to inventory each day since release.
The coin went back order after 16 minutes with an expected shipping date of 11/11/2021. The coin went currently unavailable shortly after the HHL of 1 was removed after 24 hours.
Thank you!
My mom was sick & I wasn't paying attention. I can't recall one that took off like this after the fact due to design.
Appreciate the info!
My pleasure!!!
When do they usually post the mintage limit on upcoming products?
They are known Jan 1 for most items. They don't always get into the order page immediately.
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https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1062179/official-2021-american-liberty-high-relief-gold-coin-price-posted/p2
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13020526/#Comment_13020526
Thank u!!
I know that it was possible to determine the mintage limit from the code sooner. Thanks @Rc5280 !!!
That said, it has now been posted to the product page.
Source: https://www.usmint.gov/american-liberty-2025-high-relief-gold-coin-25DA.html
I really don't understand the premium attraction and price for some modern coins. They are nice, but are they really "nicer" than the 2009 UHR...or an actual pre-1933 gold coin ?
For a little more than the price of 2 of these you could almost have enough $$$ to buy an actual MCMVII HR.
Heck, there's some nice-looking commemorative put out by groups licensing with the Saint-Gaudens estate and they have multiple designs based on models that never made it into production....ultra high relief....proof....reverse proof...etc.
It appears to be all a limits game....never thought a Sunflower would be worth more than Lady Liberty, actual pre-1933 or a modern recreation.
There's no rule that says I can't prefer a modern to a vintage UHR. I've personally never liked the look of the 1907 UHR .
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These are the latest mintages for the 1 ounce gold High Relief American Liberty coins:
2015: 49,325 coins
2017: 49,697 coins
2019: 24,609 coins
2021: 12,471 coins
2023: 12,188 coins
2025: 7350 coins *** not available
2025 is a killer mintage at 7350 if it holds up. These should be priced higher than the 2021 and 2023 coins.
You have to give them time. Because a few are still made available every day at $4265, and the Mint published a maximum mintage of 12K.
Until the dust settles and it becomes clear that this is it, and no more are coming, there is no reason for people to bid them up higher than established value for prior releases. I think the number is going to settle around the first ATS number published, 8K, which is somewhat higher than 7350, but still significantly below 12K.
In which case, yeah, there is no reason this should not be the new king of High Relief American Liberty. Just keep in mind that it took a few months for each of the two you mentioned to catch a bid. And that was with no mystery surrounding their mintage.
What time does the Mint offer these now?
I knew it would happen.
4:30am, didn't see any available today, price is $4,315.00 at the Mint now
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Same here. Nothing available and a price pop...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Why would they not keep minting them until they reach demand or the established maximum limit of 12,000? Sell out in couple hours and call it quits?
I may be missing something here, but I see them releasing another 4k
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Yes. You are missing something here.
You're missing the part where they play games with us in order to justify increased allocations to ABPP, and increased secondary market values, at the expense of people who miss out, and the taxpayers who don't benefit from the increased sales.
You're missing the part where transparency is not a requirement, as long as they don't make more than the limit. They are absolutely not releasing another 4K, because nothing they have done before, during or subsequent to release indicates that they will.
Publishing a mintage limit is apparently a meaningless gesture in 2025, and is not meant to convey an intent to make and sell that many if demand warrants. I too missed the memo, but it has since been shared with me by several esteemed members of this very forum, and I am now sharing it with you.
Weren't the Amry privies "sold out" and then they released the rest to have us quarreling for days??
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
No. Those were for cancellations. They loaded the full amount on the first day.
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Zip today...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Never mind.
9 up at 7:30 gone in <9 sec
i assume there were none available today
Correct. I was up and ready, but none showed up...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Wow, this aged well. 😆
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Yeah, well, if the Mint keeps finding new ways to screw its customers that have never been seen before, statements based on past conduct will not age well. I'm thrilled for the insiders who received a heads-up and were able to scarf up 2800K coins in 15 minutes. And for those who got their hands on the remaining 1200K, assuming they were made. Or anyone who happened to stumble across them.
Not so much for anyone who bought based on a short strike. Or those wanted one, but could not get on the day of release, and then were not Reminded, notwithstanding filling out Remind Me information, when the coins were once again placed on sale for 15 minutes with no HHL.
Just more crap bound to inevitably turn off retail buyers. None of this is ultimately going to age well. There will come a day when they cannot sell 12K of something like this. Or 8K. Or 5K. Etc.
Keep treating people like crap, and dare them not to come back for more. At some point, even the most dense among us gets the message.
Maybe just be a little more humble in your prognostications?
Sorry, that was crazy talk!
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Why is that crazy talk when mintages have been dropping for nearly all mint products. I would say that the reasons why are varied, but being burned by the mint is certainly one of the reasons, and it is a valid one. Posters have said they have stopped buying certain series due to the mint's overproduction policies.
The mint needs to have an underproduction policy to benefit the retail buyers, so they stick around and buy again. Maybe they are trying as we see all the privy proof silver eagles are being underproduced, and prices are reacting accordingly. However, when they put out so many coins and later add more at no HHL, it counters this.
This is the way the mint operated years ago, they would do an initial strike with many products and later do a second strike to top off before sales ended. Everyone who bought here on the initial run must have thought there was a chance they release more later, and it has happened. My guess is they struck all the coins and had a wait on packaging delays for the rest.
Either way this latest coin is still a winner due to the design and final numbers.
Nope. I'm fine putting it out there and being wrong.
Hedging makes it meaningless. Maybe they will and maybe they won't? Who cares, who needs that, and what value does it add?
If you think I'm a clueless blowhard, I have a rich body of work at this point, and everyone is free to either Ignore me, or to give my posts whatever weight they think they deserve. I'm pretty sure most already do this, so I don't need you acting as my freelance editor, throwing me suggestions in a pointless attempt to receive your approval, or the approval of my other critics. I'm good.
Ah... did you read my whole post. Is this a NJ alt? 1000 word response to something I didn't say. Lol
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