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  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    yeah but I found that out the last time I sent them off…

    Well, there you go!

    Wondercoin

    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • you don't know me but I assure you whatever it get's it will be posted here . you will have to be patient because it will take some time.

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2025 6:29PM

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • ah > @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    nope like I said all the marbles or nothing. This is the best 1963 D coin that I will ever find . Because of how nice it is I am okay with that.

  • 8 more pictures I just took. I will take some more in the morning in the sunlight before I take it to the coin shop.






  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    what is an alt?

    Alternative ID

    new pics posted. goodnight

  • @Clackamas1 said:

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

    new pics posted goodnight

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @Aotearoa said:
    Chances of seeing this coin in a PCGS slab posted to this thread?

    Zero.

    Chances of this being an alt?

    new pictures posted. goodnight

  • new pictures posted. goodnight

  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also searched rolls of 63 and 63-D Lincolns several years ago. The OP coin pictured is very nice but I see it as a nice 65, maybe a 66 on a good day. There are just too many ticks for a 67. Send it in and see what happens. PCGS is just brutal on these early Memorial cents!

  • @Manorcourtman said:
    I also searched rolls of 63 and 63-D Lincolns several years ago. The OP coin pictured is very nice but I see it as a nice 65, maybe a 66 on a good day. There are just too many ticks for a 67. Send it in and see what happens. PCGS is just brutal on these early Memorial cents!

    thanks,mike

  • Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2025 5:13AM

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please post the results when the coin(s) come back from our hosts. I have a few '63-D OBW rolls and the couple of rolls I have gone through have some decent coins in them I think, I mean who wouldn't like 62 year old bright red copper? :) But not sure that they would grade high enough to warrant sending them in. In fact I am sure of it!

    K

    ANA LM
  • @ElKevvo said:
    Please post the results when the coin(s) come back from our hosts. I have a few '63-D OBW rolls and the couple of rolls I have gone through have some decent coins in them I think, I mean who wouldn't like 62 year old bright red copper? :) But not sure that they would grade high enough to warrant sending them in. In fact I am sure of it!

    K

    they open at 10:30 Eastern so I'll be going there first thing today.

    Pictures from sun light

  • I wish you could post videos . the Cartwheel luster on both sides is REAL B)

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,410 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:




    I am starting this thread back up again because I think I have found a promising 1963 D Lincoln cent that I think should grade at MS67 + I have looked high and low for this coin exclusively for the last couple of years . I stopped for a few months and gave others a chance to buy rolls I would have then looked and saw 3 sold and 7 available and bought them for 20 bucks a roll. I have bought from this seller several times and the coins were always clean and unsearched so I knew it could possibly be in one of them. Last roll last 1o or so coins I found it. I had 10 or so set aside as maybe's but I knew they wouldn't make the grade . This coin has it all I think. Cartwheel Luster , Great clean Eye appeal, Great Strike on both sides and only a few minor nicks . I have read that Luster can add to a coins grade well that should push mine to where it belongs MS67+. I have only had the coin a couple of days so I am still in shock , but I will take it to my local coin shop and have them submit it to PCGS for grading soon

    Nice pics

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:
    8 more pictures I just took. I will take some more in the morning in the sunlight before I take it to the coin shop.

    Pictures are real nice. When I start looking at the rim for hits I know it's nice. If the grader knows how tough these are it could get a pretty good grade. I'm not sure to suggest soaking it in acetone or not. It seems they and collectors don't mind the haze that much.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

    Not true. I don't believe pictures are ever definitive.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2025 8:42AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    Just to refresh your memory these are all 67+ so the bar is really set too high for my coin huh?

    Yes. If you look with your eyes and not your heart, those coins have fewer marks and seemingly better luster than yours.

    I don't understand your need to make dozens of posts insisting we agree. Send it in. You're not going to convince us. And, obviously, you're not going to change your mind. In fact, i expect you to argue that PCGS is wrong when it comes back 65 or 66.

    I didn't say what was wrong with them. but there are 4 things to consider. eye appeal maybe? even if they give it a 67+ you will say it didn't deserve it so it is what it is.

    Not true. I don't believe pictures are ever definitive.

    And it wouldn't matter if you and everyone else here thought the coin should grade 68 - what counts is what PCGS grades it.
    Yet, @masterwax2000 keeps posting pictures and stating his case to anyone who will look.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm looking forward to seeing the follow up post - no matter what it grades - it'll be interesting. ;)

  • I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

  • @Clackamas1 said:

    @masterwax2000 said:
    realistically your strike isn't great. the hair doesn't show the curves and whirls . field below the memorial has a few lines. you asked ...

    LOL Ok McFly.

    Sent to PCGS with proof on my last post

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,108 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

    We're not at all unhappy for you.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @masterwax2000 said:

    I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

    Not happy for you < Indifference toward you.

    Simply waiting for PCGS's professional opinion.

    peacockcoins

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @masterwax2000 said:

    I'm leaving since you are not happy for me and pretty much the opposite. I'll be back when it comes back from PCGS

    We're not at all unhappy for you.

    Exactly.

    Just because we disagree or think you are wrong doesn't mean that we HOPE you are wrong and wish you the worst. If you want consensus, asking for opinions on an internet message board is the wrong place to do it.

    Kids these days are so sensitive.

    chopmarkedtradedollars.com

  • VKurtBVKurtB Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    This thread:

    I got one.
    Nuh uh.
    Yeah Huh.

    [rinse, repeat]

    Member - ANA Exhibiting Committee, Membership and Outreach Committee, George Heath Society, PAN, FUN, ANA Qualified Exhibit Judge, Joe Boling Award winner, Glenn Smedley Award winner.

  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope you score with your Lincoln !

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