@jmlanzaf said:
I have it on good (?) authority from NJ that this morning never happened.
Yup! Just goes to show, they can and will do anything. @MetroD's response from the Mint was spot on, and, as I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I saw it, and now I believe it.
They effed over everyone who wanted one, and couldn't get one on August 21st, when the HHL was one, while feeding unlimited quantities to whoever was given a heads-up that these would be coming out this morning. Or whoever had a bot set up to grab them when they appeared.
3K gone in 15 minutes. I'm sure retail was well taken care of. Which begs the question, why play games, and why have HHLs at all? 2/3 of a maximum mintage made available at release, with a full quarter of them going to Big Boys.
People wondering whether more will be made, with those who directly ask being privately told yes. A "Remind Me" button on the website invites people to sign up for notifications when more are made available.
More are made available, suddenly, without notification, and without HHLs. They are all scarfed up in a few minutes.
Whatever. At this point, nothing is shocking, nothing is transparent, nothing is "fair," and they have pretty well established that there are no rules.
Their sandbox. They can do what they want, as long as people are willing to go along. At some point, people will likely get annoyed, and the game will be over. They seem to be having a problem giving away 170K proof Peace Dollars at slightly more than 2x spot.
I'm glad you're admitting you were wrong. Oh wait, you're actually just rambling on more justifying your wrongness, lol. By now you should have learned the life lesson: the past is not a guarantee of the future. But I'm sure you're just going to ramble on for a few paragraphs in attempt to repair your ego. Your credibility is lost. Move along.
I still think USMint and big boys are playing a game with us. Even they released more coin, how many were bought by individuals? For whoever in this forum wanted to buy one (or one more from USMint), were you able to buy? Please chime in. I believe most people, who didn't buy on Aug 21, were not able to buy a coin today. They'll have to go to buy from big boys at a manipulated price.
You can't "manipulate" a price for a relatively common item that's easy to acquire.
Easy to acquire? Was anyone in this thread able to buy one when they put 2800 coins in stock?
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
Because it is not, and never was, about customer service. It's about servicing their biggest and best customers -- The Big Boys. The rest of us get the crumbs they choose to leave for us.
That is to be expected in private industry. Not so much with a federal government agency. But it's what we have.
I'll feel free to keep whining about it. Others here can and should feel free to keep justifying it. America. We all get to have an opinion, and to express it.
@jmlanzaf said:
I have it on good (?) authority from NJ that this morning never happened.
Yup! Just goes to show, they can and will do anything. @MetroD's response from the Mint was spot on, and, as I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I saw it, and now I believe it.
They effed over everyone who wanted one, and couldn't get one on August 21st, when the HHL was one, while feeding unlimited quantities to whoever was given a heads-up that these would be coming out this morning. Or whoever had a bot set up to grab them when they appeared.
3K gone in 15 minutes. I'm sure retail was well taken care of. Which begs the question, why play games, and why have HHLs at all? 2/3 of a maximum mintage made available at release, with a full quarter of them going to Big Boys.
People wondering whether more will be made, with those who directly ask being privately told yes. A "Remind Me" button on the website invites people to sign up for notifications when more are made available.
More are made available, suddenly, without notification, and without HHLs. They are all scarfed up in a few minutes.
Whatever. At this point, nothing is shocking, nothing is transparent, nothing is "fair," and they have pretty well established that there are no rules.
Their sandbox. They can do what they want, as long as people are willing to go along. At some point, people will likely get annoyed, and the game will be over. They seem to be having a problem giving away 170K proof Peace Dollars at slightly more than 2x spot.
I'm glad you're admitting you were wrong. Oh wait, you're actually just rambling on more justifying your wrongness, lol. By now you should have learned the life lesson: the past is not a guarantee of the future. But I'm sure you're just going to ramble on for a few paragraphs in attempt to repair your ego. Your credibility is lost. Move along.
I still think USMint and big boys are playing a game with us. Even they released more coin, how many were bought by individuals? For whoever in this forum wanted to buy one (or one more from USMint), were you able to buy? Please chime in. I believe most people, who didn't buy on Aug 21, were not able to buy a coin today. They'll have to go to buy from big boys at a manipulated price.
You can't "manipulate" a price for a relatively common item that's easy to acquire.
Easy to acquire? Was anyone in this thread able to buy one when they put 2800 coins in stock?
No. That's not what he's saying. He's saying they didn't intentionally wait until gold went up, and that they did not manipulate the price of gold ahead of releasing the extra coins.
Although, if they were available for 15 minutes this morning, I'm quite sure anyone here who happened to be checking was able to buy as many as they wanted during those 15 minutes. It's not like something that appears and then is gone before you can get to the payment screen.
Also, 2800 seems like an odd number. Don't be surprised if the additional 1200 also somehow magically appear on a future sales report, even though they did not make it to ATS this morning.
@zeesh said:
They’ll fly the rest into space for the next auction.
Don't be surprised. That said, they only have value because people are willing to chase trophies.
Doesn't impact the rest of us even a little. So, good for the government for creating value from nothing. And good for the proud owners of the trophies.
@jmlanzaf said:
I have it on good (?) authority from NJ that this morning never happened.
Yup! Just goes to show, they can and will do anything. @MetroD's response from the Mint was spot on, and, as I said, I'll believe it when I see it. I saw it, and now I believe it.
They effed over everyone who wanted one, and couldn't get one on August 21st, when the HHL was one, while feeding unlimited quantities to whoever was given a heads-up that these would be coming out this morning. Or whoever had a bot set up to grab them when they appeared.
3K gone in 15 minutes. I'm sure retail was well taken care of. Which begs the question, why play games, and why have HHLs at all? 2/3 of a maximum mintage made available at release, with a full quarter of them going to Big Boys.
People wondering whether more will be made, with those who directly ask being privately told yes. A "Remind Me" button on the website invites people to sign up for notifications when more are made available.
More are made available, suddenly, without notification, and without HHLs. They are all scarfed up in a few minutes.
Whatever. At this point, nothing is shocking, nothing is transparent, nothing is "fair," and they have pretty well established that there are no rules.
Their sandbox. They can do what they want, as long as people are willing to go along. At some point, people will likely get annoyed, and the game will be over. They seem to be having a problem giving away 170K proof Peace Dollars at slightly more than 2x spot.
I'm glad you're admitting you were wrong. Oh wait, you're actually just rambling on more justifying your wrongness, lol. By now you should have learned the life lesson: the past is not a guarantee of the future. But I'm sure you're just going to ramble on for a few paragraphs in attempt to repair your ego. Your credibility is lost. Move along.
I still think USMint and big boys are playing a game with us. Even they released more coin, how many were bought by individuals? For whoever in this forum wanted to buy one (or one more from USMint), were you able to buy? Please chime in. I believe most people, who didn't buy on Aug 21, were not able to buy a coin today. They'll have to go to buy from big boys at a manipulated price.
You can't "manipulate" a price for a relatively common item that's easy to acquire.
Easy to acquire? Was anyone in this thread able to buy one when they put 2800 coins in stock?
They are available all over the place. I'm not taking about buying them from the Mint at this point. Although you could have bought one on the day of release. They were available b for c24 hours. There's some FOMO going on, I think.
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I did not receive the email or text and I had signed up for both awhile back.
It would have been nice if the mint would have treated this second release like the second release for the Army privy coin in July. That second release was well coordinated where the mint gave a few hours of notification via text and email, setup a waiting room, had a household limit in place, and released the remaining 2,800 units in the mid day for everybody to have a chance.
Easy to acquire? Was anyone in this thread able to buy one when they put 2800 coins in stock?
I’m pretty confident that 2825 was the ats this morning.
In less than a minute it was under 800.
In the next 14 / 15 minutes I could have bought more, but the wife said
she’s happy with the one that was $300 cheaper.
@Raufus said:
Does anyone have quick reference on the mintage of the prior issues?
The good ones were around 12K, so this is absolutely in line. The issue isn't them flooding the market with 12K, which the market can clearly easily absorb.
It's them playing games with announcing a limit, only making 2/3 of the limit available at release, with a full 1/4 of that amount not available to the public, leaving people in the dark regarding whether they short minted them or not, and then dropping 2800 on some random morning with no notification and no HHL, with, I happen to think, another 1200 going out the back door to preferred parties.
It's the new normal for them, so there is nothing to do other than accept it or move on. No transparency, and no respect for the retail buyer who is the ultimate consumer for all of this overpriced bullion.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
Because it is not, and never was, about customer service. It's about servicing their biggest and best customers -- The Big Boys. The rest of us get the crumbs they choose to leave for us.
Oh, I guess that's why they put a lot of effort into implementing the Cloudflare and waiting room. That was definitely done to help their big customer, not us.
That is to be expected in private industry. Not so much with a federal government agency. But it's what we have.
I bet the Franklin mint is more accommodating if that's what you prefer.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
Because it is not, and never was, about customer service. It's about servicing their biggest and best customers -- The Big Boys. The rest of us get the crumbs they choose to leave for us.
Oh, I guess that's why they put a lot of effort into implementing the Cloudflare and waiting room. That was definitely done to help their big customer, not us.
That is to be expected in private industry. Not so much with a federal government agency. But it's what we have.
I bet the Franklin mint is more accommodating if that's what you prefer.
If they wanted to favor the big boys, they would just sell to them. The crazy yarn spinning instead requires that they release the coins at the USUAL time of 7:30 with a tip off to the Big Boys. The whole story is silly.
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@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
I agree they shouldn’t send a notification for the cancellations that pop up. But to produce and release 2K without a notice doesn’t make sense. They should remove the email notification offer or figure out how to use it properly.
@zeesh said:
I agree they shouldn’t send a notification for the cancellations that pop up. But to produce and release 2K without a notice doesn’t make sense. They should remove the email notification offer or figure out how to use it properly.
But that would require actually caring about delivering customer service, and doing what they say they are going to do. Not consistent with the opacity with which they conduct business nowadays.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
Right. So it's useless.
How else would you propose they do it?
I'd propose they either eliminate the button, as @zeesh suggested above, or they send out a notification, as promised, informing people when items will be placed back on sale.
As they do for every single new release if you are on their e-mail list.
Nothing just appears on its own. It's not complicated. They just choose not to do it, AFTER soliciting indications of interest. Simply mind boggling, and evidence of total disregard for the individual retail customer who is ultimately the backbone of the entire market they are selling into.
Not necessarily when they place 12 returns on sale at 7:30 a.m., although they could do that as well if someone signed up for a notification. But certainly for something with hundreds or thousands of items. In advance.
Not complicated. I got a reminder at 10:00 a.m. that Morgan and Peace Dollars would be placed on sale at noon. Absolutely no reason an e-mail cannot go out the night before telling people who care, as evidenced by their clicking on the Remind Me button, that such and such will be available for purchase at 7:30 a.m. the next day. Even if it's only one coin. If the Remind Me button is meant to be anything other than a cruel hoax.
As it is, the only time e-mails go out is when they have inventory they can't unload. And those e-mails go out to everyone on the e-mail list anyway, without ever asking for a notification about any specific item. The Remind Me button is nothing more than one of those buttons that you press at a crosswalk that is supposed to change the traffic light from red to green, but never actually does.
They only flashed up for about 10 seconds today, must of only been a few available. Same for the Laser Engraved Eagles too
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I have 1 of each, the Silver and the Gold. Can someone tell me if the coin rotation is the same for both. When you flip the gold coin over it's normal. The Silver one is upside down. Just curious
@fnetty said:
I have 1 of each, the Silver and the Gold. Can someone tell me if the coin rotation is the same for both. When you flip the gold coin over it's normal. The Silver one is upside down. Just curious
The gold is a US coin and the silver is a medal so the obverse/reverse flip would be different.
@fnetty said:
I have 1 of each, the Silver and the Gold. Can someone tell me if the coin rotation is the same for both. When you flip the gold coin over it's normal. The Silver one is upside down. Just curious
The gold is a US coin and the silver is a medal so the obverse/reverse flip would be different.
so basically this thread has two groups of people.
Fans of the coin
fans of the coin who want a low population to boot
I think we can all agree its a great design, but the population potentiality was known all along - its still a question if they will hit that number. I suspect as others have said that if they release more it will still be a sell out coin. Like the 2021 bronco, its just a good looking coin and the price of gold matters less than an attractive design to collectors.
I don't care what the limit is, happy I got one. And if they relist, I don't think I would get another/more
here we go. To lie and take what you want is the new way. Way too many looking for a back door to a fast buck these days. In the old days only a few of us had that privilege. LoL
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@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
Right. So it's useless.
How else would you propose they do it?
I'd propose they either eliminate the button, as @zeesh suggested above, or they send out a notification, as promised, informing people when items will be placed back on sale.
As they do for every single new release if you are on their e-mail list.
Nothing just appears on its own. It's not complicated. They just choose not to do it, AFTER soliciting indications of interest. Simply mind boggling, and evidence of total disregard for the individual retail customer who is ultimately the backbone of the entire market they are selling into.
Not necessarily when they place 12 returns on sale at 7:30 a.m., although they could do that as well if someone signed up for a notification. But certainly for something with hundreds or thousands of items. In advance.
Not complicated. I got a reminder at 10:00 a.m. that Morgan and Peace Dollars would be placed on sale at noon. Absolutely no reason an e-mail cannot go out the night before telling people who care, as evidenced by their clicking on the Remind Me button, that such and such will be available for purchase at 7:30 a.m. the next day. Even if it's only one coin. If the Remind Me button is meant to be anything other than a cruel hoax.
As it is, the only time e-mails go out is when they have inventory they can't unload. And those e-mails go out to everyone on the e-mail list anyway, without ever asking for a notification about any specific item. The Remind Me button is nothing more than one of those buttons that you press at a crosswalk that is supposed to change the traffic light from red to green, but never actually does.
Well, it is complicated. If they are putting up quantities that won't last more than a few minutes, such emails would be meaningless, abundant, and useless and quickly start getting ignored which is probably a worse outcome.
But yes, for larger releases like the 2000 coins that would have been appropriate.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
Right. So it's useless.
How else would you propose they do it?
I'd propose they either eliminate the button, as @zeesh suggested above, or they send out a notification, as promised, informing people when items will be placed back on sale.
As they do for every single new release if you are on their e-mail list.
Nothing just appears on its own. It's not complicated. They just choose not to do it, AFTER soliciting indications of interest. Simply mind boggling, and evidence of total disregard for the individual retail customer who is ultimately the backbone of the entire market they are selling into.
Not necessarily when they place 12 returns on sale at 7:30 a.m., although they could do that as well if someone signed up for a notification. But certainly for something with hundreds or thousands of items. In advance.
Not complicated. I got a reminder at 10:00 a.m. that Morgan and Peace Dollars would be placed on sale at noon. Absolutely no reason an e-mail cannot go out the night before telling people who care, as evidenced by their clicking on the Remind Me button, that such and such will be available for purchase at 7:30 a.m. the next day. Even if it's only one coin. If the Remind Me button is meant to be anything other than a cruel hoax.
As it is, the only time e-mails go out is when they have inventory they can't unload. And those e-mails go out to everyone on the e-mail list anyway, without ever asking for a notification about any specific item. The Remind Me button is nothing more than one of those buttons that you press at a crosswalk that is supposed to change the traffic light from red to green, but never actually does.
Well, it is complicated. If they are putting up quantities that won't last more than a few minutes, such emails would be meaningless, abundant, and useless and quickly start getting ignored which is probably a worse outcome.
But yes, for larger releases like the 2000 coins that would have been appropriate.
No, they wouldn't be meaningless. They would do what they are supposed to do. Provide notification that the item will be returned to stock.
If it worked the way it was supposed to, lots of people would be able to sleep in, and wouldn't have to hit to site at 7:30 looking for things that the Mint knows ahead of time will not be there. Even if only 12.
These e-mails would literally cost nothing to send, and then people would have a choice as to whether or not to ignore them. As it is, what is being ignored now is people's desire to be informed when items are going to be made available for sale.
@Tomthemailcarrier said:
Poor customer service by the U.S. Mint. I checked the remind me for future availability to be emailed to me. Heard not a peep.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
Right. So it's useless.
How else would you propose they do it?
I'd propose they either eliminate the button, as @zeesh suggested above, or they send out a notification, as promised, informing people when items will be placed back on sale.
As they do for every single new release if you are on their e-mail list.
Nothing just appears on its own. It's not complicated. They just choose not to do it, AFTER soliciting indications of interest. Simply mind boggling, and evidence of total disregard for the individual retail customer who is ultimately the backbone of the entire market they are selling into.
Not necessarily when they place 12 returns on sale at 7:30 a.m., although they could do that as well if someone signed up for a notification. But certainly for something with hundreds or thousands of items. In advance.
Not complicated. I got a reminder at 10:00 a.m. that Morgan and Peace Dollars would be placed on sale at noon. Absolutely no reason an e-mail cannot go out the night before telling people who care, as evidenced by their clicking on the Remind Me button, that such and such will be available for purchase at 7:30 a.m. the next day. Even if it's only one coin. If the Remind Me button is meant to be anything other than a cruel hoax.
As it is, the only time e-mails go out is when they have inventory they can't unload. And those e-mails go out to everyone on the e-mail list anyway, without ever asking for a notification about any specific item. The Remind Me button is nothing more than one of those buttons that you press at a crosswalk that is supposed to change the traffic light from red to green, but never actually does.
Well, it is complicated. If they are putting up quantities that won't last more than a few minutes, such emails would be meaningless, abundant, and useless and quickly start getting ignored which is probably a worse outcome.
But yes, for larger releases like the 2000 coins that would have been appropriate.
No, they wouldn't be meaningless. They would do what they are supposed to do. Provide notification that the item will be returned to stock.
If it worked the way it was supposed to, lots of people would be able to sleep in, and wouldn't have to hit to site at 7:30 looking for things that the Mint knows ahead of time will not be there. Even if only 12.
These e-mails would literally cost nothing to send, and then people would have a choice as to whether or not to ignore them. As it is, what is being ignored now is people's desire to be informed when items are going to be made available for sale.
Yes, when you get an email every day saying an item is back in stock and by the time you get to the website it's gone, it would be meaningless and it wouldn't take long to stop ignoring them.
As a reflection (excuse the pun) of this coin, and it's price, my thoughts are:
nice enough design, but not up to the last two issues
the price point separates those with more serious budgets from those without
although the US Mint is holding to it's guns on premium, it may not be the best play for them to not drop the premium in the longer run. I might well be wrong but it seems that the collector base is going to be chased off with the plethora of issues at ungodly prices. They have done many IMHO questionable things in the past but now with the comic book heroes have really begun, or worse, to cross the line and seriously drive out their long-term customers.
Even though I have all of the other Liberty $100 gold pieces back to 2015, I pulled the plug and put my money other places -
I am sure nobody cares, but to the extent that this may reflect a larger buying segment perhaps they would be advised to take heed.
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Easy to acquire? Was anyone in this thread able to buy one when they put 2800 coins in stock?
Because it is not, and never was, about customer service. It's about servicing their biggest and best customers -- The Big Boys. The rest of us get the crumbs they choose to leave for us.
That is to be expected in private industry. Not so much with a federal government agency. But it's what we have.
I'll feel free to keep whining about it. Others here can and should feel free to keep justifying it. America. We all get to have an opinion, and to express it.
No. That's not what he's saying. He's saying they didn't intentionally wait until gold went up, and that they did not manipulate the price of gold ahead of releasing the extra coins.
Although, if they were available for 15 minutes this morning, I'm quite sure anyone here who happened to be checking was able to buy as many as they wanted during those 15 minutes. It's not like something that appears and then is gone before you can get to the payment screen.
Also, 2800 seems like an odd number. Don't be surprised if the additional 1200 also somehow magically appear on a future sales report, even though they did not make it to ATS this morning.
They’ll fly the rest into space for the next auction.
Don't be surprised. That said, they only have value because people are willing to chase trophies.
Doesn't impact the rest of us even a little. So, good for the government for creating value from nothing. And good for the proud owners of the trophies.
They are available all over the place. I'm not taking about buying them from the Mint at this point. Although you could have bought one on the day of release. They were available b for c24 hours. There's some FOMO going on, I think.
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Did folks get the email or text 'Remind Me' message when they became available this morning?
I did not receive the email or text and I had signed up for both awhile back.
It would have been nice if the mint would have treated this second release like the second release for the Army privy coin in July. That second release was well coordinated where the mint gave a few hours of notification via text and email, setup a waiting room, had a household limit in place, and released the remaining 2,800 units in the mid day for everybody to have a chance.
Releasing them at 4 AM in the morning West Coast time pretty much cuts out half the United States.
we agree
and i think 7:30 needs to change to 12
Does anyone have quick reference on the mintage of the prior issues?
Now I'm bummed I spent the $ on grading. I like them in the OGP better anyway.
2023 was the lowest at 12,188
https://americanlibertycoinsandmedals.com/mintages/
I’m pretty confident that 2825 was the ats this morning.
In less than a minute it was under 800.
In the next 14 / 15 minutes I could have bought more, but the wife said
she’s happy with the one that was $300 cheaper.
The good ones were around 12K, so this is absolutely in line. The issue isn't them flooding the market with 12K, which the market can clearly easily absorb.
It's them playing games with announcing a limit, only making 2/3 of the limit available at release, with a full 1/4 of that amount not available to the public, leaving people in the dark regarding whether they short minted them or not, and then dropping 2800 on some random morning with no notification and no HHL, with, I happen to think, another 1200 going out the back door to preferred parties.
It's the new normal for them, so there is nothing to do other than accept it or move on. No transparency, and no respect for the retail buyer who is the ultimate consumer for all of this overpriced bullion.
Wait, hold my beer. The real conspiracy is that is thread actually is an X-Files episode!
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No. This is a new low for the Mint. Obviously the big boys knew it was coming to sell that many in such a short period of time.
They're not going to send out emails the second an item is available again. Otherwise you'd get an email every day at 4:30am and by the time you got it and logged in they'd be gone and you'd be even more angry. They have to have a little delay and use that feature if there's product left to sell.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Oh, I guess that's why they put a lot of effort into implementing the Cloudflare and waiting room. That was definitely done to help their big customer, not us.
I bet the Franklin mint is more accommodating if that's what you prefer.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Periodic reminder that the Mint doesn't run the website or customer service. FPS does, as the Mint has contracted them to do.
If they wanted to favor the big boys, they would just sell to them. The crazy yarn spinning instead requires that they release the coins at the USUAL time of 7:30 with a tip off to the Big Boys. The whole story is silly.
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Right. So it's useless.
I agree they shouldn’t send a notification for the cancellations that pop up. But to produce and release 2K without a notice doesn’t make sense. They should remove the email notification offer or figure out how to use it properly.
But that would require actually caring about delivering customer service, and doing what they say they are going to do. Not consistent with the opacity with which they conduct business nowadays.
How else would you propose they do it?
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I'd propose they either eliminate the button, as @zeesh suggested above, or they send out a notification, as promised, informing people when items will be placed back on sale.
As they do for every single new release if you are on their e-mail list.
Nothing just appears on its own. It's not complicated. They just choose not to do it, AFTER soliciting indications of interest. Simply mind boggling, and evidence of total disregard for the individual retail customer who is ultimately the backbone of the entire market they are selling into.
Not necessarily when they place 12 returns on sale at 7:30 a.m., although they could do that as well if someone signed up for a notification. But certainly for something with hundreds or thousands of items. In advance.
Not complicated. I got a reminder at 10:00 a.m. that Morgan and Peace Dollars would be placed on sale at noon. Absolutely no reason an e-mail cannot go out the night before telling people who care, as evidenced by their clicking on the Remind Me button, that such and such will be available for purchase at 7:30 a.m. the next day. Even if it's only one coin. If the Remind Me button is meant to be anything other than a cruel hoax.
As it is, the only time e-mails go out is when they have inventory they can't unload. And those e-mails go out to everyone on the e-mail list anyway, without ever asking for a notification about any specific item. The Remind Me button is nothing more than one of those buttons that you press at a crosswalk that is supposed to change the traffic light from red to green, but never actually does.
Us Mint to change Remind Me Button to Whatever Button ...News at eleven.
12 pop ... 3 sec = 0
They only flashed up for about 10 seconds today, must of only been a few available. Same for the Laser Engraved Eagles too
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I have 1 of each, the Silver and the Gold. Can someone tell me if the coin rotation is the same for both. When you flip the gold coin over it's normal. The Silver one is upside down. Just curious
The gold is a US coin and the silver is a medal so the obverse/reverse flip would be different.
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so basically this thread has two groups of people.
Fans of the coin
fans of the coin who want a low population to boot
I think we can all agree its a great design, but the population potentiality was known all along - its still a question if they will hit that number. I suspect as others have said that if they release more it will still be a sell out coin. Like the 2021 bronco, its just a good looking coin and the price of gold matters less than an attractive design to collectors.
I don't care what the limit is, happy I got one. And if they relist, I don't think I would get another/more
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The cutoff date for first strike is September 22 which would make all 2800 of this late release ineligible.
We’ll have to keep an eye on the population reports to see if there’s any funny business and to see if the grading services are in on the scam
here we go. To lie and take what you want is the new way. Way too many looking for a back door to a fast buck these days. In the old days only a few of us had that privilege. LoL
Well, it is complicated. If they are putting up quantities that won't last more than a few minutes, such emails would be meaningless, abundant, and useless and quickly start getting ignored which is probably a worse outcome.
But yes, for larger releases like the 2000 coins that would have been appropriate.
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No, they wouldn't be meaningless. They would do what they are supposed to do. Provide notification that the item will be returned to stock.
If it worked the way it was supposed to, lots of people would be able to sleep in, and wouldn't have to hit to site at 7:30 looking for things that the Mint knows ahead of time will not be there. Even if only 12.
These e-mails would literally cost nothing to send, and then people would have a choice as to whether or not to ignore them. As it is, what is being ignored now is people's desire to be informed when items are going to be made available for sale.
Yes, when you get an email every day saying an item is back in stock and by the time you get to the website it's gone, it would be meaningless and it wouldn't take long to stop ignoring them.
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As a reflection (excuse the pun) of this coin, and it's price, my thoughts are:
Even though I have all of the other Liberty $100 gold pieces back to 2015, I pulled the plug and put my money other places -
I am sure nobody cares, but to the extent that this may reflect a larger buying segment perhaps they would be advised to take heed.
Well, just Love coins, period.