American Liberty High Relief 2025
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@coastaljerseyguy said:
@NJCoin said:
@coastaljerseyguy said:
Help me out, a little confused with all these numbers. Does the Mintage Limit (12,000) include the ABPP purchase allotment ? If yes, then only approx 2,000 more could be minted, not 4,000. Also the 10% ABPP was mentioned. Even at the 12,000 limit, how did they get 1,976. If at the approx 10,000 'produced & sold', that's 20%.The limit includes everything. The sales report also includes everything. There are 4,000-4,500 presently unaccounted for. They are not going to be minted.
10% ABPP was always just a guideline. They can apparently do whatever they want.
I'm not sure 1976 is the right number. I thought it was closer to 1200.
Either way, and for whatever reason, they seemingly think it is better to publish an inflated limit they have no intention of hitting, and give ABPP an allocation based on it, rather than publishing a more honest, lower limit, and giving ABPP a higher allocation based on the actual number expected to be made.
Doesn't matter. All that matters is that they are not being transparent with us. People here seem to be okay with it, because they have a backdoor via HTML code to see what is actually going on.
If the Mint ever wises up and puts that code behind a password, let's see if people here will still be okay when they are forced to fly as blind as everyone else. Other than ABPP, who are the Mint's best customers, and will never be treated with the disdain the rest of us are subjected to.
Thanks for clarifying. So rounding, the little guys got 6,000 and the big boys around 2,000 or 25% of the minted coinage.
Pretty much!
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@NJCoin said:
@coastaljerseyguy said:
@NJCoin said:
@coastaljerseyguy said:
Help me out, a little confused with all these numbers. Does the Mintage Limit (12,000) include the ABPP purchase allotment ? If yes, then only approx 2,000 more could be minted, not 4,000. Also the 10% ABPP was mentioned. Even at the 12,000 limit, how did they get 1,976. If at the approx 10,000 'produced & sold', that's 20%.The limit includes everything. The sales report also includes everything. There are 4,000-4,500 presently unaccounted for. They are not going to be minted.
10% ABPP was always just a guideline. They can apparently do whatever they want.
I'm not sure 1976 is the right number. I thought it was closer to 1200.
Either way, and for whatever reason, they seemingly think it is better to publish an inflated limit they have no intention of hitting, and give ABPP an allocation based on it, rather than publishing a more honest, lower limit, and giving ABPP a higher allocation based on the actual number expected to be made.
Doesn't matter. All that matters is that they are not being transparent with us. People here seem to be okay with it, because they have a backdoor via HTML code to see what is actually going on.
If the Mint ever wises up and puts that code behind a password, let's see if people here will still be okay when they are forced to fly as blind as everyone else. Other than ABPP, who are the Mint's best customers, and will never be treated with the disdain the rest of us are subjected to.
Thanks for clarifying. So rounding, the little guys got 6,000 and the big boys around 2,000 or 25% of the minted coinage.
Pretty much!
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My gold shipped today! If was ordered in the first 10-15 minutes and is now moving
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Mine came in today. It was sitting in the mailbox, I was expecting a knock on the door to sign for it.
Looked it over real quick. No issues I can see. Nice full rims, unlike the problem the 2023's had. If i get my 23 graded, I don't think it'llget a 70.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
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@Orlena said:
My gold shipped today! If was ordered in the first 10-15 minutes and is now movingMy order shipped today. I'll never understand the Mint's system for determining which orders to ship first. Certainly not FIFO.
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Prices on Pure now closer to where they should be but prob still not there.
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i'll take all the 1650/oz gold they have!
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@ProofCollection said:
Prices on Pure now closer to where they should be but prob still not there.They "should be" wherever they are. If you think they are too low, you are free to post a higher bid
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Got mine today.
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I think my white balance is a little off, that's okay she looks old school.
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@ProofCollection said:
Prices on Pure now closer to where they should be but prob still not there.Yup. People are starting to get a clue regarding what this is, and that 12K won't ever be hitting the market.
Too bad the Mint refused to share that with the market once it made the decision. Some people sold way too low as a result, while others missed out altogether.
But, as long as people here, and the Big Boys, got theirs, it's all good.
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My US Mint order shipped also. Hope the Mint release more, 8K mintage sounds a good target.
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Not if the worm sleeps late.
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Yes. As I said:
"But, as long as people here, and the Big Boys, got theirs, it's all good."
There will come a time when the experts here will find themselves as blindsided by something the Mint does as most of the public is by many of the things they are doing now. When that time comes, I fully expect people here to accept it with the grace and understanding they are expressing now, since the Mint apparently doesn't owe anyone anything. And not with the howling that was a rich tradition here back in the day, when the website constantly crashed and people, even early birds, found themselves shut out.
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@NJCoin said:
There will come a time when the experts here will find themselves as blindsided by something the Mint does as most of the public is by many of the things they are doing now. When that time comes, I fully expect people here to accept it with the grace and understanding they are expressing now, since the Mint apparently doesn't owe anyone anything. And not with the howling that was a rich tradition here back in the day, when the website constantly crashed and people, even early birds, found themselves shut out.The mint is a casino, and will always be a casino. Nothing they make is needed for daily life, it is not a medicine or a food. I have "missed" items in the past and that is part of playing the casino.
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@HalfDime said:
@NJCoin said:
There will come a time when the experts here will find themselves as blindsided by something the Mint does as most of the public is by many of the things they are doing now. When that time comes, I fully expect people here to accept it with the grace and understanding they are expressing now, since the Mint apparently doesn't owe anyone anything. And not with the howling that was a rich tradition here back in the day, when the website constantly crashed and people, even early birds, found themselves shut out.The mint is a casino, and will always be a casino. Nothing they make is needed for daily life, it is not a medicine or a food. I have "missed" items in the past and that is part of playing the casino.
Totally agree. I'm just a full transparency level playing field advocate.
But I fully appreciate the caveat emptor, no one owes you anything point of view. Maybe not from the federal government, as opposed to VB, but still.
I just happen to know human nature. And that is that people are fine with things they benefit from, and not so much when they don't. Which is why I like transparency and level playing fields, where no one has an advantage over anyone else.
But that is clearly not the world we live in. As you said, it's not life and death. Which is why the golden goose is ultimately going to wind up dead when people get tired of the Mint being an opaque casino.
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@NJCoin said:
@HalfDime said:
@NJCoin said:
There will come a time when the experts here will find themselves as blindsided by something the Mint does as most of the public is by many of the things they are doing now. When that time comes, I fully expect people here to accept it with the grace and understanding they are expressing now, since the Mint apparently doesn't owe anyone anything. And not with the howling that was a rich tradition here back in the day, when the website constantly crashed and people, even early birds, found themselves shut out.The mint is a casino, and will always be a casino. Nothing they make is needed for daily life, it is not a medicine or a food. I have "missed" items in the past and that is part of playing the casino.
Totally agree. I'm just a full transparency level playing field advocate.
But I fully appreciate the caveat emptor, no one owes you anything point of view. Maybe not from the federal government, as opposed to VB, but still.
But your position that the mint is dishonest and not transparent is built on assumptions, speculation, and conjecture, not facts.
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@NJCoin said:
But that is clearly not the world we live in. As you said, it's not life and death. Which is why the golden goose is ultimately going to wind up dead when people get tired of the Mint being an opaque casino.People will always come back to the casino, there are plenty of dealers to do it. I actually liked the old website that crashed over the waiting line. It had more excitement to it. It was the roulette wheel that could pay off any time.
The mint has listened and made changes in the past to make it a more fair casino, but they will never make everyone happy. With this product there was always going to be some who would not get the coin because demand is higher than supply. They could broadcast the coin on the evening news and there would not be enough coins.
You want perfection in every product they announce, and that is simply impossible. The only possible way is to make these all unlimited productions and in the past the mint has been burned doing that. Almost 50% of coin sales happen in the first week, then it is crickets as sales trickle in after that. High productions can mean high losses.
Limited products mean customers have to order early or else miss out. We all have to learn life's lessons, and this is one of them.
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@ProofCollection said:
@NJCoin said:
@HalfDime said:
@NJCoin said:
There will come a time when the experts here will find themselves as blindsided by something the Mint does as most of the public is by many of the things they are doing now. When that time comes, I fully expect people here to accept it with the grace and understanding they are expressing now, since the Mint apparently doesn't owe anyone anything. And not with the howling that was a rich tradition here back in the day, when the website constantly crashed and people, even early birds, found themselves shut out.The mint is a casino, and will always be a casino. Nothing they make is needed for daily life, it is not a medicine or a food. I have "missed" items in the past and that is part of playing the casino.
Totally agree. I'm just a full transparency level playing field advocate.
But I fully appreciate the caveat emptor, no one owes you anything point of view. Maybe not from the federal government, as opposed to VB, but still.
But your position that the mint is dishonest and not transparent is built on assumptions, speculation, and conjecture, not facts.
Sure it is. I'm going to go with you rather than with my lyin' eyes.
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@HalfDime said:
@NJCoin said:
But that is clearly not the world we live in. As you said, it's not life and death. Which is why the golden goose is ultimately going to wind up dead when people get tired of the Mint being an opaque casino.People will always come back to the casino, there are plenty of dealers to do it. I actually liked the old website that crashed over the waiting line. It had more excitement to it. It was the roulette wheel that could pay off any time.
The mint has listened and made changes in the past to make it a more fair casino, but they will never make everyone happy. With this product there was always going to be some who would not get the coin because demand is higher than supply. They could broadcast the coin on the evening news and there would not be enough coins.
You want perfection in every product they announce, and that is simply impossible. The only possible way is to make these all unlimited productions and in the past the mint has been burned doing that. Almost 50% of coin sales happen in the first week, then it is crickets as sales trickle in after that. High productions can mean high losses.
Limited products mean customers have to order early or else miss out. We all have to learn life's lessons, and this is one of them.
Actually, I don't. I don't begrudge them the right to do whatever they want. 100% to ABPP if that's the way they want to go. Mintage of 230, auctioned through S-B. It's all good.
Just want transparency and full disclosure. Not word games with Mintage Limits and Product Limits that are fiction, but are meant to imply the quantity to be made available for sale if demand warrants. Because sometimes it is, while other times, for no apparent reason, it is not.
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The Sunflower silver medals are unavailable as well. There must be a lot of plant lovers out there.
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@HalfDime said:
@NJCoin said:
But that is clearly not the world we live in. As you said, it's not life and death. Which is why the golden goose is ultimately going to wind up dead when people get tired of the Mint being an opaque casino.People will always come back to the casino, there are plenty of dealers to do it. I actually liked the old website that crashed over the waiting line. It had more excitement to it. It was the roulette wheel that could pay off any time.
The mint has listened and made changes in the past to make it a more fair casino, but they will never make everyone happy. With this product there was always going to be some who would not get the coin because demand is higher than supply. They could broadcast the coin on the evening news and there would not be enough coins.
You want perfection in every product they announce, and that is simply impossible. The only possible way is to make these all unlimited productions and in the past the mint has been burned doing that. Almost 50% of coin sales happen in the first week, then it is crickets as sales trickle in after that. High productions can mean high losses.
Limited products mean customers have to order early or else miss out. We all have to learn life's lessons, and this is one of them.
I actually also miss the pure excitement of the old releases.
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@HalfDime said:
The Sunflower silver medals are unavailable as well. There must be a lot of plant lovers out there.It actually is very pretty. And it looks like a huge bargain in comparison to the gold one.
I wonder if there is a marker for a gilt one, all the color at 1/20th the price.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@HalfDime said:
The Sunflower silver medals are unavailable as well. There must be a lot of plant lovers out there.It actually is very pretty. And it looks like a huge bargain in comparison to the gold one.
I wonder if there is a marker for a gilt one, all the color at 1/20th the price.
I think you might be on to something there....
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Any way that it could have a cameo, proof(like) finish?
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Thanks God that US Mint didn’t choose the ugly graffiti Liberty design.
https://readingroom.money.org/committees-review-2025-liberty-designs/
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@ms71 said:
Best view is the obverse in the first post. The eagle's mouth is wide open. as if screaming.Like the Minnesota State Screaming Eagles from the show, “Coach”?
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@txhousa said:
Thanks God that US Mint didn’t choose the ugly graffiti Liberty design.https://readingroom.money.org/committees-review-2025-liberty-designs/
Omg!!! Maybe the starkist difference that I have ever seen in two designs. That other one is HORRIBLE!!!
I do love the eagle on the other design though.
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@Raufus said:
@txhousa said:
Thanks God that US Mint didn’t choose the ugly graffiti Liberty design.https://readingroom.money.org/committees-review-2025-liberty-designs/
Omg!!! Maybe the starkist difference that I have ever seen in two designs. That other one is HORRIBLE!!!
I do love the eagle on the other design though.
There are some more stinkers that were proposed for the designs. Worse than that graffiti Liberty. Some "DEI." Some looked like they were done by the artists who made some of the Hanna/Barbarra cartoons od the late 90's and early 2000's on Cartoon Network.
https://www.coinnews.net/2024/04/26/2025-american-liberty-gold-coin-and-silver-medal-candidate-designs-unveiled/Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
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The Buffalo is pretty cool.
It is interesting what they come up with when they have so much latitude in the end. I like the design they chose. I think the buffalo is pretty cool though.
I do think the design that they chose and it's symbolism is very, very well done.
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I rarely grade Moderns. I like them far more in the OGP. Thinking that this one might be worth it, it's going off tomorrow. Sure hope that it's not a 69 after all the expense and effort.
The last Modern that I graded was my V75 AGE. Thankfully, that made 70. Hoping for a repeat performance!
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@Raufus said:
I rarely grade Moderns. I like them far more in the OGP. Thinking that this one might be worth it, it's going off tomorrow. Sure hope that it's not a 69 after all the expense and effort.The last Modern that I graded was my V75 AGE. Thankfully, that made 70. Hoping for a repeat performance!
I got two and glad I did. One had a flaw - a planchet flaw I believe. The other one should be a 70.
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American Liberty 2025 Silver Medal variety flashed up this AM, but I wasn't fast enough to get any
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Got lucky, got one Medal, had one in the bag.
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No gold this morning. It's getting heavy in my bag...
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Got lucky.
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omg congrats
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Yes, indeed, and I see the PCGS Medals rising on eBay’ed.
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Caught a gold in it's natural habitat this morning.
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sales through 9/1/25 are showing 7,952. 8K mintage?
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all i can say is they started with 8,000 ats
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@One_and_Done said:
Caught a gold in it's natural habitat this morning.Thank you One_and_done for the very nice pictures. I hope more folk will be motivated to share some quality pictures of their 2025 Liberty Gold and Silver !
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What a success for the Mint and the collectors with this one.
Beautiful coin & medals.
No shenanigans whatsoever, with full transparency from start to finish, as usual.
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@Rc5280 said:
What a success for the Mint and the collectors with this one.Beautiful coin & medals.
No shenanigans whatsoever, with full transparency from start to finish, as usual.
Are you trying to get him going? Lol
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