The article did mention that 4 of the 7 offensive tackles that played versus the Rams were released. It’s probably a good chance that all 4 tackles saw their snaps in the 2nd half with Shedeur.
And the flip side is that Sanders was playing against defenders that arent starters or got cut as well. Neither team had their best players in and if he was such a stud he should have been able to take advantage of that
Yeah no one is calling Sanders a stud, that’s a completely made up argument on your part.
If your OL is basically letting pass rushers speed by them on every single play it really doesn’t matter who else is on the field because the QB will never see them while laying on his back or being forced to throw it away prematurely.
Every NFL offense depends on their linemen doing their job to have any type of success and Cleveland’s line in that 2nd half looked like a bunch of dudes that were days away from hitting unemployment.
Point was its not like the starters were the ones rushing the line on the other side of the ball. At least 2 of the sacks were completely on him and it was backups and guys getting cut going against each other. There wasnt really a talent discrepancy on either side of the ball
No one is refuting that, we’ve just pointed out how badly the Browns OL was during that stretch.
It’s like you’re creating this straw man argument to continue ripping Shedeur which is fine but go take it up with someone else. I’m not defending his play in that game. I just reported how I saw it after watching the entire game. The OL was ass in that 2nd half which only made his play look even worse than it was.
Everyone in the game at that point in a preseason game isnt good Sanders included
Yup and somehow that OL managed to make those scrubs that you keep pointing out on the Rams defense look like the ‘85 Bears. You’re really just making my point for me now lol.
For whatever reason I think youre missing what Ive been saying that Sanders made them look worse.
No dude I haven’t missed a thing, you don’t like Shedeur as as an NFL QB and I’m not willing to just write the dude off after one subpar preseason game.
You’re under some impression that myself or anyone else in this thread has been severely overrating his play in some way and that crap is All In Your Head, not a single person here has done that. I just offered an honest assessment on his play that day, nothing more, and that horrible performance by his OL absolutely contributed to his underwhelming play.
The closest anyone here has come to saying anything that could be construed as positive toward his future has just been Perk predicting that he thinks he starts a game by week 5 and I’m pretty sure that prediction has more to do with Cleveland’s starting QB situation for 2025 than it does with him thinking Shedeur is a stud.
I’m done arguing this with you already so go annoy someone else for a change.
@VikingDude said:
I never understand the bye weeks. How can there be 6 teams on Bye in week 8 and 0 in week 13? All other bye weeks have 2 or 4 teams; why not shift some from week 8 to 13? It makes no sense to have 0 on week 13 and then 4 on week 14
Always wondered why the NFL doesn't just have a mid season bye week for all teams. Would that not be fair to all teams? These early bye weeks seem too early for the season barely getting underway. And late bye weeks favor those teams heading into the playoffs. While other playoff bound teams without a late season bye seem at a disadvantage.
It would be more fair, but money. Networks and advertisers would be very unhappy with a week of completely nothing
Which would lead us Pro football bettors in a state of cold Turkey.😀
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
"The Cowboys agreed to trade Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported Thursday afternoon. In exchange for Parsons, the Packers reportedly sent the Cowboys two first-round picks and defensive tackle Kenny Clark.
Parsons will sign a four-year, $188 million deal with the Packers upon joining the team, including $136 million guaranteed.
His $47 million average salary makes him the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history."
I think it's a good trade for the Pack, but I'm not certain. GB will have a great tandem, when healthy, at end, but their tackles could be a liability. Clark was getting older so I think it's still a good trade. Wyatt was good, but Clark was the key to the Packers run defense in 24. It's an unproven interior. Exciting trade for GB fans nonetheless.
@VikingDude said:
I never understand the bye weeks. How can there be 6 teams on Bye in week 8 and 0 in week 13? All other bye weeks have 2 or 4 teams; why not shift some from week 8 to 13? It makes no sense to have 0 on week 13 and then 4 on week 14
Always wondered why the NFL doesn't just have a mid season bye week for all teams. Would that not be fair to all teams? These early bye weeks seem too early for the season barely getting underway. And late bye weeks favor those teams heading into the playoffs. While other playoff bound teams without a late season bye seem at a disadvantage.
It would be more fair, but money. Networks and advertisers would be very unhappy with a week of completely nothing
Which would lead us Pro football bettors in a state of cold Turkey.😀
Exactly lol. I hate those early bye weeks as well especially with the longer season now. I dont think the Thursday night games or having to play overseas are very fair to teams either but at the end of the day its all about money
The article did mention that 4 of the 7 offensive tackles that played versus the Rams were released. It’s probably a good chance that all 4 tackles saw their snaps in the 2nd half with Shedeur.
And the flip side is that Sanders was playing against defenders that arent starters or got cut as well. Neither team had their best players in and if he was such a stud he should have been able to take advantage of that
Yeah no one is calling Sanders a stud, that’s a completely made up argument on your part.
If your OL is basically letting pass rushers speed by them on every single play it really doesn’t matter who else is on the field because the QB will never see them while laying on his back or being forced to throw it away prematurely.
Every NFL offense depends on their linemen doing their job to have any type of success and Cleveland’s line in that 2nd half looked like a bunch of dudes that were days away from hitting unemployment.
Point was its not like the starters were the ones rushing the line on the other side of the ball. At least 2 of the sacks were completely on him and it was backups and guys getting cut going against each other. There wasnt really a talent discrepancy on either side of the ball
No one is refuting that, we’ve just pointed out how badly the Browns OL was during that stretch.
It’s like you’re creating this straw man argument to continue ripping Shedeur which is fine but go take it up with someone else. I’m not defending his play in that game. I just reported how I saw it after watching the entire game. The OL was ass in that 2nd half which only made his play look even worse than it was.
Everyone in the game at that point in a preseason game isnt good Sanders included
Yup and somehow that OL managed to make those scrubs that you keep pointing out on the Rams defense look like the ‘85 Bears. You’re really just making my point for me now lol.
For whatever reason I think youre missing what Ive been saying that Sanders made them look worse.
No dude I haven’t missed a thing, you don’t like Shedeur as as an NFL QB and I’m not willing to just write the dude off after one subpar preseason game.
You’re under some impression that myself or anyone else in this thread has been severely overrating his play in some way and that crap is All In Your Head, not a single person here has done that. I just offered an honest assessment on his play that day, nothing more, and that horrible performance by his OL absolutely contributed to his underwhelming play.
The closest anyone here has come to saying anything that could be construed as positive toward his future has just been Perk predicting that he thinks he starts a game by week 5 and I’m pretty sure that prediction has more to do with Cleveland’s starting QB situation for 2025 than it does with him thinking Shedeur is a stud.
I’m done arguing this with you already so go annoy someone else for a change.
Thats what your missing, he makes his o-lines worse. he did it in college and Im basing my opinion off of his track record. He didnt fall as far as he did with his measureables simply because of the circus that follows him. Hes a sack magnet and they could have had the starting line in and he still would have caused sacks to happen.
Not sure why youre getting annoyed by discussing football
It sounds like someone didn’t actually watch the plays. I don’t see him making the line worse. The LT was the best matador out there but other than the Center they were all struggling off the ball. None of those means Sanders is ready for the NFL starting job yet but that means nothing in Cleveland.
The article did mention that 4 of the 7 offensive tackles that played versus the Rams were released. It’s probably a good chance that all 4 tackles saw their snaps in the 2nd half with Shedeur.
And the flip side is that Sanders was playing against defenders that arent starters or got cut as well. Neither team had their best players in and if he was such a stud he should have been able to take advantage of that
Yeah no one is calling Sanders a stud, that’s a completely made up argument on your part.
If your OL is basically letting pass rushers speed by them on every single play it really doesn’t matter who else is on the field because the QB will never see them while laying on his back or being forced to throw it away prematurely.
Every NFL offense depends on their linemen doing their job to have any type of success and Cleveland’s line in that 2nd half looked like a bunch of dudes that were days away from hitting unemployment.
Point was its not like the starters were the ones rushing the line on the other side of the ball. At least 2 of the sacks were completely on him and it was backups and guys getting cut going against each other. There wasnt really a talent discrepancy on either side of the ball
No one is refuting that, we’ve just pointed out how badly the Browns OL was during that stretch.
It’s like you’re creating this straw man argument to continue ripping Shedeur which is fine but go take it up with someone else. I’m not defending his play in that game. I just reported how I saw it after watching the entire game. The OL was ass in that 2nd half which only made his play look even worse than it was.
Everyone in the game at that point in a preseason game isnt good Sanders included
Yup and somehow that OL managed to make those scrubs that you keep pointing out on the Rams defense look like the ‘85 Bears. You’re really just making my point for me now lol.
For whatever reason I think youre missing what Ive been saying that Sanders made them look worse.
No dude I haven’t missed a thing, you don’t like Shedeur as as an NFL QB and I’m not willing to just write the dude off after one subpar preseason game.
You’re under some impression that myself or anyone else in this thread has been severely overrating his play in some way and that crap is All In Your Head, not a single person here has done that. I just offered an honest assessment on his play that day, nothing more, and that horrible performance by his OL absolutely contributed to his underwhelming play.
The closest anyone here has come to saying anything that could be construed as positive toward his future has just been Perk predicting that he thinks he starts a game by week 5 and I’m pretty sure that prediction has more to do with Cleveland’s starting QB situation for 2025 than it does with him thinking Shedeur is a stud.
I’m done arguing this with you already so go annoy someone else for a change.
Thats what your missing, he makes his o-lines worse. he did it in college and Im basing my opinion off of his track record. He didnt fall as far as he did with his measureables simply because of the circus that follows him. Hes a sack magnet and they could have had the starting line in and he still would have caused sacks to happen.
Once you’re actually drafted, stuff like that is entirely meaningless. The OL that he’ll eventually have protecting him in Cleveland will be considerably better than any he had while in college.
Is there a single offensive linemen from his Colorado teams actually playing in the NFL? Just one? Probably not and I’d say that there’s likely a good chance that there isn’t a single one on any practice squad either.
Not sure why youre getting annoyed by discussing football
I get annoyed because I’ve been down this road with you numerous times before (MacJones& JJ McCarthy to just name two) where we just end up repeating the same argument over & over. This very comment that I’m replying to is a perfect example of that, you keep rewording the same message repeatedly and prolonging this idiotic argument.
It’s like you’re trying to win a debate when you’re the only competing in it. When you do that, I’m out.
I got your point the first time you made it but you keep feeling the need to repeat it so please, for the love of god, just let it go already.
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No dude I haven’t missed a thing, you don’t like Shedeur as as an NFL QB and I’m not willing to just write the dude off after one subpar preseason game.
You’re under some impression that myself or anyone else in this thread has been severely overrating his play in some way and that crap is All In Your Head, not a single person here has done that. I just offered an honest assessment on his play that day, nothing more, and that horrible performance by his OL absolutely contributed to his underwhelming play.
The closest anyone here has come to saying anything that could be construed as positive toward his future has just been Perk predicting that he thinks he starts a game by week 5 and I’m pretty sure that prediction has more to do with Cleveland’s starting QB situation for 2025 than it does with him thinking Shedeur is a stud.
I’m done arguing this with you already so go annoy someone else for a change.
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Which would lead us Pro football bettors in a state of cold Turkey.😀
Hold that thought - Cleveland may actually need you this year!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm happy that Adam Thielen made it back to MN. I just hope we didn't give up too much for him
Looks to me like we gave up next to nothing for him, 4th and 5th round picks and we get a 5th and 7th.
Bunch of guys who probably won't make he team.
He missed time with a hamstring injury last year, but still put up good numbers.
Good move, glad to see him back!
The way the Vikings have been drafting, maybe they should trade ALL their picks for players.
NGL. Glad I was wrong about Jones trading Parsons. Haha.
Pasted:
"The Cowboys agreed to trade Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported Thursday afternoon. In exchange for Parsons, the Packers reportedly sent the Cowboys two first-round picks and defensive tackle Kenny Clark.
Parsons will sign a four-year, $188 million deal with the Packers upon joining the team, including $136 million guaranteed.
His $47 million average salary makes him the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history."
JJ being JJ
drive that team farther into the ground big boy
DC will be lucky to win 7 games this season
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
WOW that is huge news about Parsons
Unbelievable how much of an idiot Jones is, he has been the Cowboys worst enemy since he pushed Jimmy Johnson out
This Micah trade having the same level of impact as the Herschel Walker trade seems like a huge stretch at this point.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/dallas-cowboys/news/analyst-echoes-herschel-walker-charles-haley-cowboys-packers-micah-parsons-trade/8e55a66458d04cf090a1ecd0
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"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Although one player does not make a division winner, it can't hurt GB chances to come out on top of the division.
I think it's a good trade for the Pack, but I'm not certain. GB will have a great tandem, when healthy, at end, but their tackles could be a liability. Clark was getting older so I think it's still a good trade. Wyatt was good, but Clark was the key to the Packers run defense in 24. It's an unproven interior. Exciting trade for GB fans nonetheless.
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The arm is ready, Coach!
Exactly lol. I hate those early bye weeks as well especially with the longer season now. I dont think the Thursday night games or having to play overseas are very fair to teams either but at the end of the day its all about money
Fire AJ Preller
Thats what your missing, he makes his o-lines worse. he did it in college and Im basing my opinion off of his track record. He didnt fall as far as he did with his measureables simply because of the circus that follows him. Hes a sack magnet and they could have had the starting line in and he still would have caused sacks to happen.
Not sure why youre getting annoyed by discussing football
Fire AJ Preller
It sounds like someone didn’t actually watch the plays. I don’t see him making the line worse. The LT was the best matador out there but other than the Center they were all struggling off the ball. None of those means Sanders is ready for the NFL starting job yet but that means nothing in Cleveland.
Once you’re actually drafted, stuff like that is entirely meaningless. The OL that he’ll eventually have protecting him in Cleveland will be considerably better than any he had while in college.
Is there a single offensive linemen from his Colorado teams actually playing in the NFL? Just one? Probably not and I’d say that there’s likely a good chance that there isn’t a single one on any practice squad either.
I get annoyed because I’ve been down this road with you numerous times before (MacJones& JJ McCarthy to just name two) where we just end up repeating the same argument over & over. This very comment that I’m replying to is a perfect example of that, you keep rewording the same message repeatedly and prolonging this idiotic argument.
It’s like you’re trying to win a debate when you’re the only competing in it. When you do that, I’m out.
I got your point the first time you made it but you keep feeling the need to repeat it so please, for the love of god, just let it go already.
Eric
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