Bought my one and a buddy bought one for me. His credit card declined the initial sale and then the mint wouldn’t let him try again for quite a while. But both done. My cc texted and called me to avert potential fraud.
@Raufus said:
I was surprised that there were no offers to buy from the usual players.
Probably because they were able to buy 1200 in advance. That's a lot for a relatively expensive coin.
Also, keep in mind that prior issues, raw, sell for around 20% more than the Mint price on this. Not a lot of room for a markup if they have to pay a markup to get them. This isn't an ASE privy, with a lot of room for markup on $100. $700 on $4300 is a lot less than $100 on $100.
@pointfivezero said:
The Mint sold all 100 they brought to show very early on…
Tim
Heck, they brought 500 of the Gold Flowing Hair coins to the Baltimore Show last November. Of course the Mintage was 17,000 which quickly became 10,000.
Bought the silver. Like the design. Gold is too much for me.
Though Bronco Liberty Gold is a $9000 coin. Sunflower may hold its value but who knows. Depends if the design is appealing. The eagle though is way better than the Bronco Eagle.
I had to step away for a bit but did the mint load another batch after the initial amount? It seems some folks believe they did but I wasn't sure if that was a momentary glitch. The selling pace is certainly slowing so if another 5 or 6K come online I think those will sit for awhile.
I had to step away for a bit but did the mint load another batch after the initial amount? It seems some folks believe they did but I wasn't sure if that was a momentary glitch. The selling pace is certainly slowing so if another 5 or 6K come online I think those will sit for awhile.
Just scooped up two of the silver pieces, bought a gold Sac a few days ago, I have to eat I may pick up the gold piece, I suspect there may be an opportunity in the future.
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
@OLC said:
If the past holds true. A couple thousand should show back up by tomorrow The m.int did this all the time with the innovation coins but nobody cared .
You mean this isn't new? I'm SHOCKED!!!
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
it will be interesting to see how many show up in the next few days after mint cancellations, etc. Mine still shows processing and i was able to pick up 1 gold and 1 medal within the first few minutes. I wish i had the funds for more.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
It isn't 6K. Including ABPP, the ANA, and the Mint retail outlets, it looks like it's around 7500. But, still, if that's it, this will be yet another case of them not being transparent.
We all saw, with our own eyes, laser privies going to Back Order when an initial quantity sold out. That didn't happen with this. If 7500 is all there was ever going to be, people deserved to know that before they sold out. Not after. Because the decision, one way or the other, was not made today.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
@OLC said:
If the past holds true. A couple thousand should show back up by tomorrow The m.int did this all the time with the innovation coins but nobody cared .
TBD. FH gold and silver are examples from the very recent past going the other way.
I thought they'd make the balance available for sale before noon today. Just yesterday, we all saw an example of a sold out item going to Back Order, with the Mint continuing to take orders.
Neither happened here. It's as likely as not that what we will see tomorrow will be the orders canceled for violating the HHL, credit card fails, and buyer's remorse, and that the missing 4500 will never see the light of day. TBD.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
Why do people deserve transparency, rather than having the US Mint play hide the ball with them? Hmm, let me think about that and get back to you.
The US Mint is not supposed to be operating with the same standards as Magic Mike on HSN. If you're okay with that, more power to you. Why should any seller of anything be transparent with buyers?
And, for the umpteenth time, if they can't bring themselves to be transparent, they should say nothing rather than publish maximum mintages that are either reached, not reached due to lack of demand, not reached in spite of robust demand, or exceeded, at their whim, because "it's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made."
If a private party did it, there would be viable consumer fraud claim. Companies have been sued and lost or settled for less.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
Why do people deserve transparency, rather than having the US Mint play hide the ball with them? Hmm, let me think about that and get back to you.
The US Mint is not supposed to be operating with the same standards as Magic Mike on HSN. If you're okay with that, more power to you. Why should any seller of anything be transparent with buyers?
Why do you feel entitled to manufacturing data? Why is a maximum upper limit not good enough for you?
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
Why do people deserve transparency, rather than having the US Mint play hide the ball with them? Hmm, let me think about that and get back to you.
The US Mint is not supposed to be operating with the same standards as Magic Mike on HSN. If you're okay with that, more power to you. Why should any seller of anything be transparent with buyers?
Why do you feel entitled to manufacturing data? Why is a maximum upper limit not good enough for you?
The same reason they publish it. To make an informed buying decision.
If it didn't matter, they could just announce a price and an on sale date, with no manufacturing data since it's none of our business, and let us ignore them, because we want to know how many are going to be made. Not how many might be made, depending on something having nothing to do with demand.
You are correct. They don't have to disclose anything they don't want to disclose. But they actually have an obligation to have what they choose to disclose be accurate. If maximum mintage means nothing, don't publish it.
But publishing a number that is accurate in some cases, while not others, is highly misleading. I'm telling you, if they keep it up, they are going to kill the golden goose. The Perth Mint never came back after playing similar games a few years ago.
I think all we can go by at this point is the mintage limit which still reads 12,000. So far, there is no indication they are going to stop minting these coins until they hit that limit which probably means about 6K additional coins will become available at some point for sale. If I'm wrong, then this coin likely replaces the Bronco as the key to the series.
@Manorcourtman said:
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
Why do people deserve transparency, rather than having the US Mint play hide the ball with them? Hmm, let me think about that and get back to you.
The US Mint is not supposed to be operating with the same standards as Magic Mike on HSN. If you're okay with that, more power to you. Why should any seller of anything be transparent with buyers?
Why do you feel entitled to manufacturing data? Why is a maximum upper limit not good enough for you?
The same reason they publish it. To make an informed buying decision.
If it didn't matter, they could just announce a price and an on sale date, with no manufacturing data since it's none of our business, and let us ignore them, because we want to know how many are going to be made. Not how many might be made, depending on something having nothing to do with demand.
Then why do you care any more? Clearly the mint can't meet your standards, but yet you still concern yourself heavily with how they run their business.
You are correct. They don't have to disclose anything they don't want to disclose. But they actually have an obligation to have what they choose to disclose be accurate. If maximum mintage means nothing, don't publish it.
But publishing a number that is accurate in some cases, while not others, is highly misleading. I'm telling you, if they keep it up, they are going to kill the golden goose. The Perth Mint never came back after playing similar games a few years ago.
With a handful of exceptions, the limits have never been exceeded so they have been accurate. I thought you finally learned what a limit is. Just because the sign says speed limit 55 doesn't mean you have to actually drive 55.
Why do you keep conflating 'limit' with 'total quantity (to be) made?' The mint is very specific with their use of the terminology, maybe now that I pointed it out you'll stop inferring additional meaning from the term 'limit.'
Maybe you're not aware but after some time the mint does actually publish final accurate mintage numbers. Maybe you just need to be patient.
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Bought my one and a buddy bought one for me. His credit card declined the initial sale and then the mint wouldn’t let him try again for quite a while. But both done. My cc texted and called me to avert potential fraud.
The Mint sold all 100 they brought to show very early on…
Tim
Probably because they were able to buy 1200 in advance. That's a lot for a relatively expensive coin.
Also, keep in mind that prior issues, raw, sell for around 20% more than the Mint price on this. Not a lot of room for a markup if they have to pay a markup to get them. This isn't an ASE privy, with a lot of room for markup on $100. $700 on $4300 is a lot less than $100 on $100.
Looks like Bullion Exchanges will take it off your hands at a loss!
350 left. The silver medal sales really slowed down, 14036 left.
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Only 100
That show label will be quite the one to have!
Ill try to get a bunch & sell to them. What I loose in each individual sale at least I can make up in volume...
Heck, they brought 500 of the Gold Flowing Hair coins to the Baltimore Show last November. Of course the Mintage was 17,000 which quickly became 10,000.
197 left. At this rate gone within the hour.
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187
They’re dope
Bought the silver. Like the design. Gold is too much for me.
Though Bronco Liberty Gold is a $9000 coin. Sunflower may hold its value but who knows. Depends if the design is appealing. The eagle though is way better than the Bronco Eagle.
Bronco Silver some value but not much.
Box of 20
99!
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Never mind
I had to step away for a bit but did the mint load another batch after the initial amount? It seems some folks believe they did but I wasn't sure if that was a momentary glitch. The selling pace is certainly slowing so if another 5 or 6K come online I think those will sit for awhile.
99!> @Numismetal said:
Nope. 40 left.
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now 20. will be gone in a minute.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
$50Mish in sales in a few hrs
Gonzo!
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gone
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
At least everyone who wanted one could get one.
right? Their Cloudflare setup seemed super balanced, fair and easy - zero web site complaints in purchasing this go around. well done USmint web team!
My PCGS profile
NJCoin was right!!
Just scooped up two of the silver pieces, bought a gold Sac a few days ago, I have to eat
I may pick up the gold piece, I suspect there may be an opportunity in the future.
I wonder how much of a window there will be in coming days w purged orders.
Wow, now the speculation here begins! I just don’t see them only selling/minting 6000 of these. The Mint is way to greedy to pass up an opportunity to sell gold for almost $4300 an ounce.
ATS 2 now
I noticed that the proof Silver Eagle I ordered yesterday shipped today. Wouldn't it be funny if the ats remains unloaded until tomorrow when these coins ship only to then be reloaded with the remaining 6000 which will sit for all time. They know we watch these numbers.
Very few people watch these numbers.
If they felt people watching these numbers were important, they would display the number right on the order page.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
If the past holds true. A couple thousand should show back up by tomorrow The m.int did this all the time with the innovation coins but nobody cared .
You mean this isn't new? I'm SHOCKED!!!
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, evn when irrefutably accurate.
it will be interesting to see how many show up in the next few days after mint cancellations, etc. Mine still shows processing and i was able to pick up 1 gold and 1 medal within the first few minutes. I wish i had the funds for more.
is anyone planning to get their coin graded with PCGS?
I was lucky enough to get one of the 100 coins released in Oklahoma.
This coin is absolutely stunning in person. I tried adding a picture of the coin, but I am not a photographer.
I’m a big fan of the coin!
Congratulations!
I think the coin is a long term hold for sure. It is iconic. $20k PR70DCAMs in the next few year I reckon.
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PCGS vs NGC, which do you prefer?
Congrats!!!! Did a lot of people in line.End up disappointed that they could not get one?
That show label will be incredible given , so few are sold there.
I hope you have fun at the show.I know it is an awesome one.
Congratulations and thanks for sharing!!
PCGS coins are generally valued higher by the market. It will also be slightly harder to get 70's at PCGS.
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Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
It isn't 6K. Including ABPP, the ANA, and the Mint retail outlets, it looks like it's around 7500. But, still, if that's it, this will be yet another case of them not being transparent.
We all saw, with our own eyes, laser privies going to Back Order when an initial quantity sold out. That didn't happen with this. If 7500 is all there was ever going to be, people deserved to know that before they sold out. Not after. Because the decision, one way or the other, was not made today.
I agree with you, and will raise you. I don't think this number is meant for public consumption at all, and they will eventually mask it, once they get wind of the fact that we are seeing it, and teaching others how to see it. Because, if they actually wanted to be transparent, they fall so far short in so many areas that it defies logic they'd want us to see a countdown as items are sold.
TBD. FH gold and silver are examples from the very recent past going the other way.
I thought they'd make the balance available for sale before noon today. Just yesterday, we all saw an example of a sold out item going to Back Order, with the Mint continuing to take orders.
Neither happened here. It's as likely as not that what we will see tomorrow will be the orders canceled for violating the HHL, credit card fails, and buyer's remorse, and that the missing 4500 will never see the light of day. TBD.
Why do people deserve to know that? It's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Why do people deserve transparency, rather than having the US Mint play hide the ball with them? Hmm, let me think about that and get back to you.
The US Mint is not supposed to be operating with the same standards as Magic Mike on HSN. If you're okay with that, more power to you. Why should any seller of anything be transparent with buyers?
And, for the umpteenth time, if they can't bring themselves to be transparent, they should say nothing rather than publish maximum mintages that are either reached, not reached due to lack of demand, not reached in spite of robust demand, or exceeded, at their whim, because "it's quite common in the collectibles industry to not know know the total items minted/made."
If a private party did it, there would be viable consumer fraud claim. Companies have been sued and lost or settled for less.
Why do you feel entitled to manufacturing data? Why is a maximum upper limit not good enough for you?
http://ProofCollection.Net
The same reason they publish it. To make an informed buying decision.
If it didn't matter, they could just announce a price and an on sale date, with no manufacturing data since it's none of our business, and let us ignore them, because we want to know how many are going to be made. Not how many might be made, depending on something having nothing to do with demand.
You are correct. They don't have to disclose anything they don't want to disclose. But they actually have an obligation to have what they choose to disclose be accurate. If maximum mintage means nothing, don't publish it.
But publishing a number that is accurate in some cases, while not others, is highly misleading. I'm telling you, if they keep it up, they are going to kill the golden goose. The Perth Mint never came back after playing similar games a few years ago.
I think all we can go by at this point is the mintage limit which still reads 12,000. So far, there is no indication they are going to stop minting these coins until they hit that limit which probably means about 6K additional coins will become available at some point for sale. If I'm wrong, then this coin likely replaces the Bronco as the key to the series.
Then why do you care any more? Clearly the mint can't meet your standards, but yet you still concern yourself heavily with how they run their business.
With a handful of exceptions, the limits have never been exceeded so they have been accurate. I thought you finally learned what a limit is. Just because the sign says speed limit 55 doesn't mean you have to actually drive 55.
Why do you keep conflating 'limit' with 'total quantity (to be) made?' The mint is very specific with their use of the terminology, maybe now that I pointed it out you'll stop inferring additional meaning from the term 'limit.'
Maybe you're not aware but after some time the mint does actually publish final accurate mintage numbers. Maybe you just need to be patient.
http://ProofCollection.Net