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American Liberty High Relief 2025

OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

Okay, here comes a couple cool designs....a Sunflower and an Eagle Swirly! With a price tag of over 4K, I'll have to settle for the companion silver piece.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,685 ✭✭✭✭✭

    More overpriced bullion.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • Cranium_Basher73Cranium_Basher73 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    More overpriced bullion.

    It's all overpriced, but I'm still getting one myself.

    Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A must have for me!

    Investor
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 28, 2025 7:33PM

    I like the cool modern design, but what's with the eagle's 'underbeak?'


  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    His (her?) beak is wide open.

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  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:
    I like the cool modern design, but what's with the eagle's 'underbeak?'


    dead fish ;)

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Best view is the obverse in the first post. The eagle's mouth is wide open. as if screaming.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Screeching - they famously do that

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, screeching wild, feathers flying in a flurry, in a fury over the price of gold...

  • NumismetalNumismetal Posts: 46 ✭✭✭

    I love this design but the over $4K price its likely to be will make it hard for me to pull the trigger. If the mintage is particularly low I might get one.

  • goldman86goldman86 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭

    Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @goldman86 said:
    Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.

    That looks so naked without any info...what are they up to??

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:

    @goldman86 said:
    Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.

    That looks so naked without any info...what are they up

    Nothing. All the new offers I've been watching have gone through a phase like that.

  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    Gonna get me one!

    Not gonna get me one!

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has anyone ever seen a coin with a date broken apart like this before? 20.....................25 ?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Onastone said:
    Has anyone ever seen a coin with a date broken apart like this before? 20.....................25 ?

    Columbian half...

    Lots of world coins

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the obverse but the reverse is making me dizzy.

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    August 21'st is coming quickly. It really is a beautiful coin, anybody else in for one?

  • steve_richardsonsteve_richardson Posts: 195 ✭✭✭✭

    I’ll probably get the silver medal. Gold is too far outside my “casual collector” budget.

  • I'm going to get both the gold and silver

  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.

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  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2025 7:17AM

    @morgansforever said:
    If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.

    Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.

    These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.

    The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.

  • GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow....so a modern gold coin saw the premium EXPAND !! :o

  • NumismetalNumismetal Posts: 46 ✭✭✭

    @NJCoin said:

    @morgansforever said:
    If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.

    Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.

    These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.

    The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.

    That's actually an interesting way to look at it. $1000 dollar premium over $1700 gold is a much higher proportion than a $1000 premium over $3400 gold. Still, the price of gold is at unprecedented levels and I know there is a tendency for people to think the ways things are now will persist forever--until it doesn't.

    I also remember during the pandemic when many people confidently proclaimed that no one would ever take a cruise or attend a concert ever again -- but then the era of revenge travel came upon us.

  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If that silver was high relief it would be amazing, I am leaning towards the gold as I really like the high relief for this design.

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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like this one. I don't really like the prospect of dropping over $4K on it, though.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman said:
    Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?

    I think so. There's a solid collector base for the Liberty's, and nobody dislikes it's design from what I've read.

    2k for the Bigs.

    Approx 2k at the ANA? You can wait in line at the ANA for one - take a buddy and get two.

    "ats" at 7900.

    10 minutes -- Poof.

  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:
    I really like this one. I don't really like the prospect of dropping over $4K on it, though.

    My thoughts exactly.

    Whose buying?

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2025 8:18PM

    @morgansforever said:
    If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.

    Well IMO, the coin is basically art. You wouldn't value a painting by the cost of the time & materials that went into a painting would you? Surely there's some allowance for appreciating the coin beyond it's melt value?

    I am mesmerized by this coin. this is one of the most compelling designs I've ever seen. I have to get one.

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2025 8:22PM

    @Numismetal said:

    @NJCoin said:

    @morgansforever said:
    If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.

    Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.

    These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.

    The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.

    That's actually an interesting way to look at it. $1000 dollar premium over $1700 gold is a much higher proportion than a $1000 premium over $3400 gold. Still, the price of gold is at unprecedented levels and I know there is a tendency for people to think the ways things are now will persist forever--until it doesn't.

    I also remember during the pandemic when many people confidently proclaimed that no one would ever take a cruise or attend a concert ever again -- but then the era of revenge travel came upon us.

    Yup. I'm not suggesting it's a great investment or anything. If gold drops by 50%, people might lose interest in all things gold, premiums could shrink, etc. My only point is that $1,000 per ounce over spot is the going rate for limited mintage numismatic gold, and has been for several years now.

    That causes people to lose interest in certain items, like the annual proof and burnished AGEs, as the absolute price rises and premiums don't shrink, as they do in the market for generic classic gold. OTOH, interest is strong, and values rise, for limited edition one-offs like the recent gold Sac, last year's FH, and the bi-annual high relief Liberty series.

    Nothing lasts forever, but this is where we are now. If historically high gold prices are giving anyone a nosebleed, it is no sin to take a pass.

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rc5280 said:

    @Manorcourtman said:
    Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?

    I think so. There's a solid collector base for the Liberty's, and nobody dislikes it's design from what I've read.

    2k for the Bigs.

    Approx 2k at the ANA? You can wait in line at the ANA for one - take a buddy and get two.

    "ats" at 7900.

    10 minutes -- Poof.

    I don't think they have ever released 20% of anything at a show, so I think you are likely high by a factor of 2-4x. Meaning 500-1,000 is more reasonable for a show release of something with a 12K mintage, with 2K going to the Big Boys. If it's 10 minutes, it will be like last year's FH gold, but they seem to have slowed things down considerably on the website, given the sales pace of gold Superman, Sac, etc.

    In addition, given how aggressive they have been in purging bot orders, and of people obviously ordering doubles, I think it's reasonable to expect to see a number pop up every day for a while, as they have been for the Sacs since last week.

  • my guess is it sells out in an hour. it's nice to know if it sells out in a few minutes there will be 2nd chance opportunities.

  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 6,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2025 8:24AM

    Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.

    At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manorcourtman said:
    Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?

    Oh it definitely will sell out...how long? My guess: under a week.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raufus said:
    Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.

    At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.

    I would doubt it.

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Raufus said:
    Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.

    At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.

    I would doubt it.

    Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?

    Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.

    Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.

    A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭✭

    Arguing Addiction.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NJCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Raufus said:
    Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.

    At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.

    I would doubt it.

    Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?

    Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.

    Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.

    A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.

    No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.

    Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.

  • NJCoinNJCoin Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @NJCoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Raufus said:
    Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.

    At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.

    I would doubt it.

    Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?

    Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.

    Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.

    A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.

    No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.

    Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.

    "Significant" is relative. In general, I'd agree with you, because even though the prior two releases have turned out to have had legs, they were both at significantly lower gold prices. More importantly, they took days and weeks to sell out, and resellers were able to get whatever they wanted after 24 hours without going into the flipping market.

    Recent events indicate that will not be the case here. Whether or not they sell out on the web in 24 hours, if the Mint does not lift the HHL, we'll have the same distribution conundrum you have been railing about with the Army privies, and there will be a significant offer from those who want quantity and cannot otherwise readily obtain it.

    Regardless of where you think prices will be next year. If anyone is anticipating that, the significant offer can come any time between now and then.

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