American Liberty High Relief 2025
Okay, here comes a couple cool designs....a Sunflower and an Eagle Swirly! With a price tag of over 4K, I'll have to settle for the companion silver piece. 
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More overpriced bullion.
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Gonna get me one!
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@291fifth said:
More overpriced bullion.It's all overpriced, but I'm still getting one myself.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
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A must have for me!
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I like the cool modern design, but what's with the eagle's 'underbeak?'
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His (her?) beak is wide open.
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Best view is the obverse in the first post. The eagle's mouth is wide open. as if screaming.
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
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Screeching - they famously do that
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Yes, screeching wild, feathers flying in a flurry, in a fury over the price of gold...
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I love this design but the over $4K price its likely to be will make it hard for me to pull the trigger. If the mintage is particularly low I might get one.
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Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.
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@goldman86 said:
Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.That looks so naked without any info...what are they up to??
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@Onastone said:
@goldman86 said:
Anybody else notice that the mint has taken down the mintage and household limit on this issue. I hope its an oversight, but if they mint to demand, this coin will not do well.That looks so naked without any info...what are they up
Nothing. All the new offers I've been watching have gone through a phase like that.
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@MilesWaits said:
Gonna get me one!Not gonna get me one!
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Has anyone ever seen a coin with a date broken apart like this before? 20.....................25 ?
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I like the obverse but the reverse is making me dizzy.
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August 21'st is coming quickly. It really is a beautiful coin, anybody else in for one?
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I’ll probably get the silver medal. Gold is too far outside my “casual collector” budget.
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I'm going to get both the gold and silver
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If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.
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@morgansforever said:
If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.
These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.
The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.
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Wow....so a modern gold coin saw the premium EXPAND !!
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@GoldFinger1969 said:
Wow....so a modern gold coin saw the premium EXPAND !!Compare this:
To these:
Yes, probably somewhat more now since it's been about a year on the last two.
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@NJCoin said:
@morgansforever said:
If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.
These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.
The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.That's actually an interesting way to look at it. $1000 dollar premium over $1700 gold is a much higher proportion than a $1000 premium over $3400 gold. Still, the price of gold is at unprecedented levels and I know there is a tendency for people to think the ways things are now will persist forever--until it doesn't.
I also remember during the pandemic when many people confidently proclaimed that no one would ever take a cruise or attend a concert ever again -- but then the era of revenge travel came upon us.
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If that silver was high relief it would be amazing, I am leaning towards the gold as I really like the high relief for this design.
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Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?
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I really like this one. I don't really like the prospect of dropping over $4K on it, though.
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@Manorcourtman said:
Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?I think so. There's a solid collector base for the Liberty's, and nobody dislikes it's design from what I've read.
2k for the Bigs.
Approx 2k at the ANA? You can wait in line at the ANA for one - take a buddy and get two.
"ats" at 7900.
10 minutes -- Poof.
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@messydesk said:
I really like this one. I don't really like the prospect of dropping over $4K on it, though.My thoughts exactly.
Whose buying?
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@morgansforever said:
If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.Well IMO, the coin is basically art. You wouldn't value a painting by the cost of the time & materials that went into a painting would you? Surely there's some allowance for appreciating the coin beyond it's melt value?
I am mesmerized by this coin. this is one of the most compelling designs I've ever seen. I have to get one.
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@Numismetal said:
@NJCoin said:
@morgansforever said:
If it were a little closer to spot, I might consider pulling the trigger. $1000 over is a bit much and who knows if gold will hold at these lofty levels, very well could be $1500 oz. in a year from now.Yeah, well, that's the idea when they are making around 10K of something. They actually do sell gold a lot closer to spot. They are the bullion AGEs.
These are designed to be premium product that sells for a premium. Not as an investment in gold. As a result, gold holding at lofty levels isn't really the metric by which this should be judged.
The 2021 version sold at a $1,000 premium to $1,700 gold. A much more significant premium at the time that also turned a lot of people off. Including me. It is now selling on eBay for $8,000. In that context, a $1,000 premium to $3,400 gold is a bargain.That's actually an interesting way to look at it. $1000 dollar premium over $1700 gold is a much higher proportion than a $1000 premium over $3400 gold. Still, the price of gold is at unprecedented levels and I know there is a tendency for people to think the ways things are now will persist forever--until it doesn't.
I also remember during the pandemic when many people confidently proclaimed that no one would ever take a cruise or attend a concert ever again -- but then the era of revenge travel came upon us.
Yup. I'm not suggesting it's a great investment or anything. If gold drops by 50%, people might lose interest in all things gold, premiums could shrink, etc. My only point is that $1,000 per ounce over spot is the going rate for limited mintage numismatic gold, and has been for several years now.
That causes people to lose interest in certain items, like the annual proof and burnished AGEs, as the absolute price rises and premiums don't shrink, as they do in the market for generic classic gold. OTOH, interest is strong, and values rise, for limited edition one-offs like the recent gold Sac, last year's FH, and the bi-annual high relief Liberty series.
Nothing lasts forever, but this is where we are now. If historically high gold prices are giving anyone a nosebleed, it is no sin to take a pass.
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@Rc5280 said:
@Manorcourtman said:
Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?I think so. There's a solid collector base for the Liberty's, and nobody dislikes it's design from what I've read.
2k for the Bigs.
Approx 2k at the ANA? You can wait in line at the ANA for one - take a buddy and get two.
"ats" at 7900.
10 minutes -- Poof.
I don't think they have ever released 20% of anything at a show, so I think you are likely high by a factor of 2-4x. Meaning 500-1,000 is more reasonable for a show release of something with a 12K mintage, with 2K going to the Big Boys. If it's 10 minutes, it will be like last year's FH gold, but they seem to have slowed things down considerably on the website, given the sales pace of gold Superman, Sac, etc.
In addition, given how aggressive they have been in purging bot orders, and of people obviously ordering doubles, I think it's reasonable to expect to see a number pop up every day for a while, as they have been for the Sacs since last week.
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my guess is it sells out in an hour. it's nice to know if it sells out in a few minutes there will be 2nd chance opportunities.
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Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.
At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.
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@Manorcourtman said:
Will it sell out? How quickly? Guesses?Oh it definitely will sell out...how long? My guess: under a week.
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@Raufus said:
Im hoping that there are some good buy offers from the usual players that actually makes the effort worth it.At this level the credit card rewards factor in as well.
I would doubt it.
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Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?
Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.
Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.
A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.
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Arguing Addiction.
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@NJCoin said:
Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?
Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.
Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.
A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.
No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.
Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@NJCoin said:
Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?
Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.
Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.
A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.
No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.
Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.
"Significant" is relative. In general, I'd agree with you, because even though the prior two releases have turned out to have had legs, they were both at significantly lower gold prices. More importantly, they took days and weeks to sell out, and resellers were able to get whatever they wanted after 24 hours without going into the flipping market.
Recent events indicate that will not be the case here. Whether or not they sell out on the web in 24 hours, if the Mint does not lift the HHL, we'll have the same distribution conundrum you have been railing about with the Army privies, and there will be a significant offer from those who want quantity and cannot otherwise readily obtain it.
Regardless of where you think prices will be next year. If anyone is anticipating that, the significant offer can come any time between now and then.
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These will cost much more do to the temporary increases in the price of gold.
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Overpriced, but I think they are nice designs.
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@Rc5280 said:
Arguing Addiction.Ya think?> @NJCoin said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@NJCoin said:
Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?
Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.
Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.
A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.
No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.
Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.
"Significant" is relative. In general, I'd agree with you, because even though the prior two releases have turned out to have had legs, they were both at significantly lower gold prices. More importantly, they took days and weeks to sell out, and resellers were able to get whatever they wanted after 24 hours without going into the flipping market.
Recent events indicate that will not be the case here. Whether or not they sell out on the web in 24 hours, if the Mint does not lift the HHL, we'll have the same distribution conundrum you have been railing about with the Army privies, and there will be a significant offer from those who want quantity and cannot otherwise readily obtain it.
Regardless of where you think prices will be next year. If anyone is anticipating that, the significant offer can come any time between now and then.
The Army privies don't have a $2200 price tag. There are only so many people that will pay $3000 for any coin. You are unlikely to see much of an offer unless they sell out in 20 minutes and even then you're probably spending $2200 to make $200
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I think it boils down to buyers who buy for aesthetical (numismatic) reasons more than financial long plays versus the mix of hustlers.
Mixed bag of buyers as always.
I really like that Gold coin design and was considering but I also have long play financial considerations. That money can go into other 'financial' vehicles as far as 'financial' considerations go.Yeah, it is like art work.
If ya like it, buy it !! A very personal attitude.
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@jmlanzaf said:
@Rc5280 said:
Arguing Addiction.Ya think?> @NJCoin said:
@jmlanzaf said:
@NJCoin said:
Doubt what? That people chase credit card rewards and associated sign up bonuses on $4K+ purchases when they know they can get their money out?
Don't. It's called "manufactured spend," and it's a big thing. That actually has nothing to do with numismatic coin flips.
Popular targets are gift cards, but some credit card issuers specifically exclude them from rewards. And, in any case, they are difficult to liquidate at 100 cents on the dollar.
A high value purchase like a $4k+ coin from the Mint, that can be immediately sold for 100 cents on the dollar is a perfect vehicle for manufactured spend. Turning a profit on it is a cherry on the frosting on the cake for those folks.
No. That there will be a significant offer from resellers at these prices.
Jesus, how did you misunderstand my response and turn it into 1000 word essay.
"Significant" is relative. In general, I'd agree with you, because even though the prior two releases have turned out to have had legs, they were both at significantly lower gold prices. More importantly, they took days and weeks to sell out, and resellers were able to get whatever they wanted after 24 hours without going into the flipping market.
Recent events indicate that will not be the case here. Whether or not they sell out on the web in 24 hours, if the Mint does not lift the HHL, we'll have the same distribution conundrum you have been railing about with the Army privies, and there will be a significant offer from those who want quantity and cannot otherwise readily obtain it.
Regardless of where you think prices will be next year. If anyone is anticipating that, the significant offer can come any time between now and then.
The Army privies don't have a $2200 price tag. There are only so many people that will pay $3000 for any coin. You are unlikely to see much of an offer unless they sell out in 20 minutes and even then you're probably spending $2200 to make $200
Understood. And yet, there are enough people willing to pay the price to keep prices elevated for the 2021 and 2023 editions. People will be looking to them when making buying decisions.
I'm not sure about a 20 minute sell out, because that didn't happen the last two times either. And this time around, the Mint has shown a willingness to be aggressive in purging ineligible orders.
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This Liberty High Relief sunflower coin will be worth 6k.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1115592/american-liberty-high-relief-1-ounce-gold-coins
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Gold futures jumped to record high this morning. Why? What future effect will it have on physical gold ?
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