That's INSANE given all the orders they aggressively canceled for weeks on end. If they don't revise that number downward, they are going to have some 'splaining to do. Even though they have shown repeatedly over the past year or so that they are perfectly capable, and willing, to not stick to stated mintage limits.
If they can intentionally under produce, and hurt people who didn't buy only because they didn't like the price at the stated maximum mintage, no reason they can't over produce, and also force people to make decisions based on inaccurate information.
I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint.
That's INSANE given all the orders they aggressively canceled for weeks on end. If they don't revise that number downward, they are going to have some 'splaining to do. Even though they have shown repeatedly over the past year or so that they are perfectly capable, and willing, to not stick to stated mintage limits.
If they can intentionally under produce, and hurt people who didn't buy only because they didn't like the price at the stated maximum mintage, no reason they can't over produce, and also force people to make decisions based on inaccurate information.
I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint.
Exceeding the LIMIT is very different than choosing to not produce the entire LIMIT.
@JBK said:
My late-in-the-game order only went into "processing" early this morning or overnight. My guess is that they accepted an overage of backorders and will cancel as necessary to reach the 100,000 mintage.
Clearly. But why?
Because the system can't count to 100,000? Because they are afraid they won't be able to sell any cancellations later, after aggressively cancelling orders for over a month, and still having a significant quantity disappear in minutes once they were made available with no HHL at a very odd time of the day?
Or because they are actually hooking someone up? TBD, but after the games they played last year with the FH, anything is possible.
That's INSANE given all the orders they aggressively canceled for weeks on end. If they don't revise that number downward, they are going to have some 'splaining to do. Even though they have shown repeatedly over the past year or so that they are perfectly capable, and willing, to not stick to stated mintage limits.
If they can intentionally under produce, and hurt people who didn't buy only because they didn't like the price at the stated maximum mintage, no reason they can't over produce, and also force people to make decisions based on inaccurate information.
I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint.
Exceeding the LIMIT is very different than choosing to not produce the entire LIMIT.
Yes. I am aware that is your position. That's why I very clearly stated "I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint."
I am nevertheless standing by my position that they are equal and opposite, and there is no reason to do either. Not producing because there is no demand is very different from publicly saying you will produce up to a number, and then only doing it sometimes when there is unsatisfied demand.
No need to keep going back and forth on it. Just agree to disagree.
The mint took extra orders to ensure it is a sellout, and will have to cancel all orders beyond the final mintage limits after shipping. They have done this many times in the past, so it is not anything out of the ordinary. The ones who have to worry are the late buyers of large orders, as they are probably last in line now.
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
And if you can't trust an anecdotal snippet from a local coin show these days what can you trust?
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
Yeah. I'm pretty sure he could have given them away...
My pre-shipment tracking/shipped number from yesterday still shows same status. Not even received, Thanks dogecoin for making us stone age inefficient again. SMPR!
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@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
I repeat no interest. No one even asked for the price. I had them on display in case. Mentioned it to dozens of folks and not one had any interest
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
Yeah. I'm pretty sure he could have given them away...
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
I repeat no interest. No one even asked for the price. I had them on display in case. Mentioned it to dozens of folks and not one had any interest
Hmm. Well, I'll give you $105 each for as many as you are willing to sell. 😀
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
I repeat no interest. No one even asked for the price. I had them on display in case. Mentioned it to dozens of folks and not one had any interest
Hmm. Well, I'll give you $105 each for as many as you are willing to sell. 😀
@ScarsdaleCoin said:
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
I repeat no interest. No one even asked for the price. I had them on display in case. Mentioned it to dozens of folks and not one had any interest
Hmm. Well, I'll give you $105 each for as many as you are willing to sell. 😀
I kind of doubt that you are...
Doubt that I am what? Willing to pay $105 each for as many as I can get my hands on? Test me!
They routinely sell for $200 on ebay so why wouldn't he?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
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@blitzdude said:
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
My order(s) including the gold Sac are all "processing" without any indication of shipment.
*edited to add: Strangely, there is no record of anything in my order history. I have to manually type ion the order numbers on the 'track order' page to show my status.
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@blitzdude said:
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
You keep using the acronym GEM. What does it mean?
@grote15 said:
They routinely sell for $200 on ebay so why wouldn't he?
Because he doesn't. I don't believe he even bought one from the Mint. Ask him.
Odd comment. You really don't think he would buy these at the Mint's offering price? @NJCoin will you please reaffirm your commitment to this issue?
Yes. I don't generally talk about what I do and don't buy, and don't post pictures of my collection, but of course, I bought as many Army privies from the Mint as I was able to. And, of course, anyone with available funds would buy as many of anything that they could immediately flip for a meaningful profit as they were offered.
@jmlanzaf is just posting nonsense for the sake of arguing about nothing. For all his blustering, and the pointless "I kind of doubt that you are..." post, I never did receive the hoped for DM from him offering me quantity at $105 in response to my "Doubt that I am what? Willing to pay $105 each for as many as I can get my hands on? Test me!" post.
@blitzdude said:
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
You keep using the acronym GEM. What does it mean?
"Figurative Use:
The term "gem" is also used figuratively to describe something that is considered exceptional or valuable. This can include a painting, a book, a performance, or even a person. For example, "He's a gem of a person" means he is a very kind and helpful person. "
@grote15 said:
They routinely sell for $200 on ebay so why wouldn't he?
Because he doesn't. I don't believe he even bought one from the Mint. Ask him.
Odd comment. You really don't think he would buy these at the Mint's offering price? @NJCoin will you please reaffirm your commitment to this issue?
Yes. I don't generally talk about what I do and don't buy, and don't post pictures of my collection, but of course, I bought as many Army privies from the Mint as I was able to. And, of course, anyone with available funds would buy as many of anything that they could immediately flip for a meaningful profit as they were offered.
@jmlanzaf is just posting nonsense for the sake of arguing about nothing. For all his blustering, and the pointless "I kind of doubt that you are..." post, I never did receive the hoped for DM from him offering me quantity at $105 in response to my "Doubt that I am what? Willing to pay $105 each for as many as I can get my hands on? Test me!" post.
I don't have any left...
I stand corrected, since you did buy one from the Mint.
I wasn't trying to argue about anything. People pick fights with me and then accuse me of arguing. I made one comment to you...and only you...my one and only...you...
@blitzdude said:
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
You keep using the acronym GEM. What does it mean?
I think it was capitalized for emphasis not because it was an acronym.
@blitzdude said:
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
You keep using the acronym GEM. What does it mean?
I think it was capitalized for emphasis not because it was an acronym.
It's an odd word to emphasize so it made me wonder if I was missing some other other meaning, and usually people use bold or italics for that, but you're probably right.
collect pure raised the highest bid to $200 ! FWIW
250th Anniversary United States Army American Eagle One Ounce Silver Proof Coin (25APM)
Highest Bid
$200.00
today $165, $180 $225, then $200
@Heubschgold said:
Looks like my mint order went into " processing" this morning.
Ho hum...
Mine is currently out touring the country. West Point to Dallas to Indianapolis and possibly tomorrow delivered to The Commonwealth. I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
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@Heubschgold said:
Looks like my mint order went into " processing" this morning.
Ho hum...
Mine is currently out touring the country. West Point to Dallas to Indianapolis and possibly tomorrow delivered to The Commonwealth. I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
Mine shipped in July with delivery date of 2 Aug. It's been in my area (middle America) twice now. Currently making its way thru the Carolina's. Hope the weather is nice.
@Gbrick said:
I received and returned a milk spotted one. Just asked for refund instead of replace.
What are you calling a milk spot? That thing above the eagles head?
I suppose it could be a scratch but it looks to me like just a sliver of plastic or possibly lint.
Edit: maybe it is that area in front of the eagles beak, but there are a lot of finger prints/smudges in that area and in the top left so it's hard to tell from the photo.
@Gbrick said:
I received and returned a milk spotted one. Just asked for refund instead of replace.
What are you calling a milk spot? That thing above the eagles head?
I suppose it could be a scratch but it looks to me like just a sliver of plastic or possibly lint.
Yes. Looks like lint. But there may also be something across from the eagle that looks like haze, although that looks like fingerprints on the capsule.
This is why the Mint should charge a restocking fee.
@Gbrick said:
I received and returned a milk spotted one. Just asked for refund instead of replace.
What are you calling a milk spot? That thing above the eagles head?
I suppose it could be a scratch but it looks to me like just a sliver of plastic or possibly lint.
Yes. Looks like lint. But there may also be something across from the eagle that looks like haze, although that looks like fingerprints on the capsule.
This is why the Mint should charge a restocking fee.
Really? How much leverage over the customer/taxpayer do you want the gov to have?
@Gbrick said:
I received and returned a milk spotted one. Just asked for refund instead of replace.
What are you calling a milk spot? That thing above the eagles head?
I suppose it could be a scratch but it looks to me like just a sliver of plastic or possibly lint.
Yes. Looks like lint. But there may also be something across from the eagle that looks like haze, although that looks like fingerprints on the capsule.
This is why the Mint should charge a restocking fee.
Really? How much leverage over the customer/taxpayer do you want the gov to have?
As a taxpayer, I don't want the Mint to be running a holding company for free speculation. The standard is not "70 or return".
I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
It may be tight in the capsule but my coins were freely moving and rocking and a rolling in their boxes - almost reminded me of rattle can of spray paint! Oh well, not my problem! ;-)
I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
It may be tight in the capsule but my coins were freely moving and rocking and a rolling in their boxes - almost reminded me of rattle can of spray paint! Oh well, not my problem! ;-)
Thats just terrible and no way to treat possibly the most significant coin minted in an entire generation. Come on US Mint! I know you are better than this!!! RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
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That's INSANE given all the orders they aggressively canceled for weeks on end. If they don't revise that number downward, they are going to have some 'splaining to do. Even though they have shown repeatedly over the past year or so that they are perfectly capable, and willing, to not stick to stated mintage limits.
If they can intentionally under produce, and hurt people who didn't buy only because they didn't like the price at the stated maximum mintage, no reason they can't over produce, and also force people to make decisions based on inaccurate information.
I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint.
Exceeding the LIMIT is very different than choosing to not produce the entire LIMIT.
Clearly. But why?
Because the system can't count to 100,000? Because they are afraid they won't be able to sell any cancellations later, after aggressively cancelling orders for over a month, and still having a significant quantity disappear in minutes once they were made available with no HHL at a very odd time of the day?
Or because they are actually hooking someone up? TBD, but after the games they played last year with the FH, anything is possible.
Yes. I am aware that is your position. That's why I very clearly stated "I am fully aware many here think one is perfectly permissible while the other is a crime against humanity, but they really are opposite sides of the same coin, with the same potential negative impact, depending on whether you were induced to either buy or not buy, based on intentionally misleading information entirely within the control of the Mint."
I am nevertheless standing by my position that they are equal and opposite, and there is no reason to do either. Not producing because there is no demand is very different from publicly saying you will produce up to a number, and then only doing it sometimes when there is unsatisfied demand.
No need to keep going back and forth on it. Just agree to disagree.
Extremely strong demand for this puppy just as it should have been. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
The mint took extra orders to ensure it is a sellout, and will have to cancel all orders beyond the final mintage limits after shipping. They have done this many times in the past, so it is not anything out of the ordinary. The ones who have to worry are the late buyers of large orders, as they are probably last in line now.
Has the Mint ever actually produced and sold over a stated mintage limit...at least to our knowledge?
Serious question...not trying to stir anything up.
But that seems to be a new tactic to m...if it actually occurred.
Yes. By accident
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I've gotten one order, one has shipped and one is processing.
Mentioned this on another post... I had these for sale at Parsippany coin show last week and there was NO INTEREST.... you could not give em away
And if you can't trust an anecdotal snippet from a local coin show these days what can you trust?
"Could not give em away"? At what price? $105? $200? $300+? Price is important when declaring there is NO INTEREST in something!!!
Yeah. I'm pretty sure he could have given them away...
My pre-shipment tracking/shipped number from yesterday still shows same status. Not even received, Thanks dogecoin for making us stone age inefficient again. SMPR!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
I repeat no interest. No one even asked for the price. I had them on display in case. Mentioned it to dozens of folks and not one had any interest
I’m not sure lol
Hmm. Well, I'll give you $105 each for as many as you are willing to sell. 😀
I kind of doubt that you are...
Doubt that I am what? Willing to pay $105 each for as many as I can get my hands on? Test me!
They routinely sell for $200 on ebay so why wouldn't he?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Mine finally is in shipped status, heck of a wait, can't wait to see it.
Original order just departed DFW. Why on earth is this GEM coming from TX? I thought it was minted in New York? Why ship it halfway across the country just to ship it all the way back to The Commonwealth? What a bunch of inefficient clowns. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
Because he doesn't. I don't believe he even bought one from the Mint. Ask him.
They use a fulfillment service. It's very efficient to make one shipment instead of 100,000
I > @jmlanzaf said:
Odd comment. You really don't think he would buy these at the Mint's offering price? @NJCoin will you please reaffirm your commitment to this issue?
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"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
My order(s) including the gold Sac are all "processing" without any indication of shipment.
*edited to add: Strangely, there is no record of anything in my order history. I have to manually type ion the order numbers on the 'track order' page to show my status.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
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You keep using the acronym GEM. What does it mean?
http://ProofCollection.Net
Yes. I don't generally talk about what I do and don't buy, and don't post pictures of my collection, but of course, I bought as many Army privies from the Mint as I was able to. And, of course, anyone with available funds would buy as many of anything that they could immediately flip for a meaningful profit as they were offered.
@jmlanzaf is just posting nonsense for the sake of arguing about nothing. For all his blustering, and the pointless "I kind of doubt that you are..." post, I never did receive the hoped for DM from him offering me quantity at $105 in response to my "Doubt that I am what? Willing to pay $105 each for as many as I can get my hands on? Test me!" post.
"Figurative Use:
The term "gem" is also used figuratively to describe something that is considered exceptional or valuable. This can include a painting, a book, a performance, or even a person. For example, "He's a gem of a person" means he is a very kind and helpful person. "
I don't have any left...
I stand corrected, since you did buy one from the Mint.
I wasn't trying to argue about anything. People pick fights with me and then accuse me of arguing. I made one comment to you...and only you...my one and only...you...
I think it was capitalized for emphasis not because it was an acronym.
It's an odd word to emphasize so it made me wonder if I was missing some other other meaning, and usually people use bold or italics for that, but you're probably right.
http://ProofCollection.Net
has there been any restocks lately since they started shipping?
these are hot
collect pure raised the highest bid to $200 ! FWIW
250th Anniversary United States Army American Eagle One Ounce Silver Proof Coin (25APM)
Highest Bid
$200.00
today $165, $180 $225, then $200
Looks like my mint order went into " processing" this morning.
Ho hum...
Mine is currently out touring the country. West Point to Dallas to Indianapolis and possibly tomorrow delivered to The Commonwealth. I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
Mine shipped in July with delivery date of 2 Aug. It's been in my area (middle America) twice now. Currently making its way thru the Carolina's. Hope the weather is nice.
USAF veteran 1984-2005
All three of mine have now shipped.
I received and returned a milk spotted one. Just asked for refund instead of replace.
What are you calling a milk spot? That thing above the eagles head?
I suppose it could be a scratch but it looks to me like just a sliver of plastic or possibly lint.
Edit: maybe it is that area in front of the eagles beak, but there are a lot of finger prints/smudges in that area and in the top left so it's hard to tell from the photo.
Yes. Looks like lint. But there may also be something across from the eagle that looks like haze, although that looks like fingerprints on the capsule.
This is why the Mint should charge a restocking fee.
Really? How much leverage over the customer/taxpayer do you want the gov to have?
Hard to see on the photo but white “milk stain” spot in front of eagle beak. Rest is just lint on capsule etc.
As a taxpayer, I don't want the Mint to be running a holding company for free speculation. The standard is not "70 or return".
I sure hope this little GEM is packaged tight in that capsule. Thats a lot of traveling for a MS70. THKS!
It may be tight in the capsule but my coins were freely moving and rocking and a rolling in their boxes - almost reminded me of rattle can of spray paint! Oh well, not my problem! ;-)
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Thats just terrible and no way to treat possibly the most significant coin minted in an entire generation. Come on US Mint! I know you are better than this!!! RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
The Army Privy coins are being delivered by the Navy, Air Force, & Marines...don't worry, they'll take good care of them for you!!!!!