IMO you can't keep on getting stricter and stricter on standards...it doesn't make any sense at all...a kilogram (or lb) is and always will be the same...it won't get heavier or lighter, it's one standard...a yard is a yard and won't get longer or shorter...the experienced customers seem to be scratching there heads when they send in vintage cards...I know I am...the inexperienced card grading collectors prolly just accept what grades they get...the standard deviation on grades are all over the place when in the past it was occasional under or over grading...now it appears grading is getting close to a GIMMICK...
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I also cant place an ounce of significance in someone saying the one that I sold is the best. Maybe if he analyzed every one else's as a judge and said I feel Stan Pinkleton's Mantle is the best, okay, that matters.
But hey you know which one is the best, the one I sold, sorry, to me that doesn't mean anything. I dont think "Finest Known Example" belongs on the flip. I thought Tom Candiotti once owned a PSA 10 52 Mantle. I'm surprised Mr. Mint did not think that was the finest known example. I wonder if he had actually seen every example to be able to fairly crown his own as the Finest.
I just bought a used car from a guy who said it was the best Hyundai he'd ever seen. Now I'm wondering if I was duped.
For what it’s worth, it’s my understanding that this SGC 9.5 and all 3 PSA 10’s came from the same Rosen find. The 9.5 itself has a lot of information available out there about it and it’s obviously a real stunner. Anyway, the guy who had it graded had a letter from Rosen who had handled all four and such excellent provenance probably has a value, too, these days, especially.
That said, while I don’t know it as fact, it’s also a pretty safe bet that the SGC 9.5 went on a trip to Newport Beach first. And, if so, that would also seem to fly in the face of the custom flip…
Rosen was the biggest anti grading person in the hobby but SGC clearly thought this was going to help their brand..
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I also cant place an ounce of significance in someone saying the one that I sold is the best. Maybe if he analyzed every one else's as a judge and said I feel Stan Pinkleton's Mantle is the best, okay, that matters.
But hey you know which one is the best, the one I sold, sorry, to me that doesn't mean anything. I dont think "Finest Known Example" belongs on the flip. I thought Tom Candiotti once owned a PSA 10 52 Mantle. I'm surprised Mr. Mint did not think that was the finest known example. I wonder if he had actually seen every example to be able to fairly crown his own as the Finest.
I just bought a used car from a guy who said it was the best Hyundai he'd ever seen. Now I'm wondering if I was duped.
For what it’s worth, it’s my understanding that this SGC 9.5 and all 3 PSA 10’s came from the same Rosen find. The 9.5 itself has a lot of information available out there about it and it’s obviously a real stunner. Anyway, the guy who had it graded had a letter from Rosen who had handled all four and such excellent provenance probably has a value, too, these days, especially.
That said, while I don’t know it as fact, it’s also a pretty safe bet that the SGC 9.5 went on a trip to Newport Beach first. And, if so, that would also seem to fly in the face of the custom flip…
Rosen was the biggest anti grading person in the hobby but SGC clearly thought this was going to help their brand..
Love him or hate him, Mr. Mint was one of the most interesting cats in hobby history…
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
@UlyssesExtravaganza said:
I also cant place an ounce of significance in someone saying the one that I sold is the best. Maybe if he analyzed every one else's as a judge and said I feel Stan Pinkleton's Mantle is the best, okay, that matters.
But hey you know which one is the best, the one I sold, sorry, to me that doesn't mean anything. I dont think "Finest Known Example" belongs on the flip. I thought Tom Candiotti once owned a PSA 10 52 Mantle. I'm surprised Mr. Mint did not think that was the finest known example. I wonder if he had actually seen every example to be able to fairly crown his own as the Finest.
I just bought a used car from a guy who said it was the best Hyundai he'd ever seen. Now I'm wondering if I was duped.
For what it’s worth, it’s my understanding that this SGC 9.5 and all 3 PSA 10’s came from the same Rosen find. The 9.5 itself has a lot of information available out there about it and it’s obviously a real stunner. Anyway, the guy who had it graded had a letter from Rosen who had handled all four and such excellent provenance probably has a value, too, these days, especially.
That said, while I don’t know it as fact, it’s also a pretty safe bet that the SGC 9.5 went on a trip to Newport Beach first. And, if so, that would also seem to fly in the face of the custom flip…
Rosen was the biggest anti grading person in the hobby but SGC clearly thought this was going to help their brand..
Love him or hate him, Mr. Mint was one of the most interesting cats in hobby history…
He was a vacuum cleaner salesman before entering the sports card Industry! When I passed his table at conventions about 30 years ago it was intimidating as I didn't have the financial means to purchase from him. He wasn't one for small talk that's for sure!!!!
@HOMETOWNSPORTS said:
IMO you can't keep on getting stricter and stricter on standards...it doesn't make any sense at all...a kilogram (or lb) is and always will be the same...it won't get heavier or lighter, it's one standard...a yard is a yard and won't get longer or shorter...the experienced customers seem to be scratching there heads when they send in vintage cards...I know I am...the inexperienced card grading collectors prolly just accept what grades they get...the standard deviation on grades are all over the place when in the past it was occasional under or over grading...now it appears grading is getting close to a GIMMICK...
starting after covid/purchase of company -- psa started grading the cardboard itself much stricter. used to be mainly pd for the surface.
@HOMETOWNSPORTS said:
IMO you can't keep on getting stricter and stricter on standards...it doesn't make any sense at all...a kilogram (or lb) is and always will be the same...it won't get heavier or lighter, it's one standard...a yard is a yard and won't get longer or shorter...the experienced customers seem to be scratching there heads when they send in vintage cards...I know I am...the inexperienced card grading collectors prolly just accept what grades they get...the standard deviation on grades are all over the place when in the past it was occasional under or over grading...now it appears grading is getting close to a GIMMICK...
starting after covid/purchase of company -- psa started grading the cardboard itself much stricter. used to be mainly pd for the surface.
Did they change the wording on the "STANDARD DESCRIPTIONS" if not then the original weren't standards but a guide ????
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IMO you can't keep on getting stricter and stricter on standards...it doesn't make any sense at all...a kilogram (or lb) is and always will be the same...it won't get heavier or lighter, it's one standard...a yard is a yard and won't get longer or shorter...the experienced customers seem to be scratching there heads when they send in vintage cards...I know I am...the inexperienced card grading collectors prolly just accept what grades they get...the standard deviation on grades are all over the place when in the past it was occasional under or over grading...now it appears grading is getting close to a GIMMICK...
Rosen was the biggest anti grading person in the hobby but SGC clearly thought this was going to help their brand..
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Love him or hate him, Mr. Mint was one of the most interesting cats in hobby history…
Curious about the rare, mysterious and beautiful 1951 Wheaties Premium Photos?
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/987963/1951-wheaties-premium-photos-set-registry#latest
He was a vacuum cleaner salesman before entering the sports card Industry! When I passed his table at conventions about 30 years ago it was intimidating as I didn't have the financial means to purchase from him. He wasn't one for small talk that's for sure!!!!
starting after covid/purchase of company -- psa started grading the cardboard itself much stricter. used to be mainly pd for the surface.
Did they change the wording on the "STANDARD DESCRIPTIONS" if not then the original weren't standards but a guide ????