Angel Reese calls WNBA's proposal 'disrespectful' amid players' union labor negotiations
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Angel Reese calls WNBA's proposal 'disrespectful' amid players' union labor negotiations
In October, Reese admitted she couldn't afford to pay her bills based on that salary, in an Instagram live video.
"I’m living beyond my means. Hating pays them bills, baby. I just hope you know the WNBA don’t pay my bills at all," she said. "I don’t even think that pays one of my bills. Literally, I’m trying to think of my rent for where I stay at. Let me do the math real quick. I don’t even know my (WNBA) salary, $74,000?"
Reese said she is paying $8,000 for rent.
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Go ahead Angel and go out on strike.
Make my day. 😆
Lol every time she opens her mouth more and more people can't stand her
Either she is stupid or her agent is
Or both lol
I kinda got a Thing 4 Angel...
😇🥰
just don't tell anybody...
😂😭🙃
Even Rosie O'Donnell looks good when she is dolled up.
Okay, bad example. 😂> @perkdog said:
Certainly a definition of "stupid" is making $74,000 a year salary, and paying $96,000 a year in rent, and wondering why you're broke. 😂
LOL. I got thing for her as well
I think she is sexy but as soon as she opens her mouth it's ruined lol
I don't care how pretty she is. With her loud mouth and thug attitude, to me she is a dog with fleas.
Not that I would prefer Caitlin all that much. She seems a bit too "manly" looking for my taste.
Now that Sophie Cunningham...oh yea.
from over on the Insta...
WNBA All-Star game ticket prices plummet amid Caitlin Clark's injury absence
"Prices drop nearly 50% after Caitlin Clark's decision to rest her aggravated groin injury"
Perhaps Angel will some day smarten up and embrace Caitlin as THE star attraction of the league. Which can help all the players make more money. But she likely won't. Too incorrigibly conceited and jealous to change.
I'm not sure if ticket flipping has been discussed that much on here? That's buying tickets on a game in advance, and relisting them at a higher price, hoping for a nice profit.
Sorry to say the ticket flippers are obviously taking a bath on this WNBA All-Star game.
Wow dude. Take it down a notch. I’m sure you’re a total catch.
Pay us what you owe us shirts were pretty funny for a league that doesnt make a profit
Fire AJ Preller
Yea, even Caitlin was wearing that shirt.
Kind of funny considering Caitlin, pasted, "Caitlin Clark earned an estimated $11 million in endorsement deals in 2024"
Even Angel made millions, pasted, "Angel Reese has secured numerous endorsement deals, with estimates suggesting her total endorsement income is around $1.7 to $1.8 million."
They can just fold the league if the players are not happy, the straight up assaults on Clark with minimal accountability just makes it look like a bush league anyways and they want to be taken seriously like the NBA? Please
Some more info about Angel Reese, pasted:
"During her time playing college basketball at LSU, Angel Reese earned an estimated $1.8 million in name, image, and likeness (NIL) deals during her senior year. This was primarily from 17 endorsement deals she secured with brands like Amazon, Coach, Reebok, PlayStation, Sports Illustrated, Calvin Klein, and JanSport."
underestimate stevek's sexiness and athleticism at your peril
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I tried my best, but just couldn't do it.
First prize was two WNBA tickets.
Second prize was four tickets.
Dave Portnoy has thoughts.
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Dave Portnoy Unleashes Surprising Response To The WNBA Players Wearing “Pay Us What You Owe Us” T-Shirts At The All-Star Game
https://flip.it/7BLzbR
Ok Dave your free to donate a couple million to help with their Salaries
You appear to have missed the point. The players want to have a reasonably similar percentage in their CBA. They’re not asking to be paid what NBA players are being paid.
We really need to fund public schools better.
The bald-faced liar in all this is clearly Angel Reese. She acts as if the 74k salary is the only revenue she's making off being in the league, which of course is patently false.
If she wasn't a basketball player, I'd have to think her job right now would be saying, "Welcome to Popeye's, may I take your order."
"Angel Reese graduated from LSU with a Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies, with concentrations and minors in Communication Studies, Leadership Development, and Psychology, according to an LSU news release. She completed her degree in four years, including time at the University of Maryland."
The correct interpretation of this is a lifetime of unemployment. LOL
I think I clearly remember reading the players referencing what NBA players make.
Funding schools are a completely different topic which I can agree with but first we need to see where funds are allocated to within each school, there is a ton of wasteful. spending and political. BS that goes on in school. systems just like any other state or federal. job.
As far as the WNBA goes nobody is forcing these girls to. play, they are free to go to the private sector and make better money if they can.
First you diminish your argument with your attack on her intelligence. That says everything about you as a person and nothing about her. Reese did graduate from LSU with a degree as far as I’m aware. For all I know it’s a degree in Communications or Kinesiology. The most popular degrees for most male athletes when they happen to complete them.
Further you assume she is saying she can’t pay her bills. She hasn’t said or implied that. She said that she could not pay her bills on her WNBA salary. Reese is marketable and is being marketed and she’s doing fine. She’s in the group of players who are the face of the WNBA - for better or worse - and she’s using that platform to negotiate. I don’t agree with everything she or other players say but I can see what’s going on here.
No one forces male athletes to play either and they work for every penny in their contracts and CBAs all the same.
Clearly remembering and having a quote are different things. I haven’t read everything on this matter but I’ve read enough to see multiple quotes regarding their negotiations.
Things are taken out of context too often. Here’s what Reese said following her statement about how she couldn’t afford her life on the WNBA salary.
With other endorsements and a place in the Unrivaled 3-on-3 league earns Reese six figures, she said in May 2024, making clear she was thankful for her income. “Being able to play for what, four to five months, and get $75,000 on top of the other endorsements that I’m doing, I think it’s a plus for me,” she explained. “Being able to make six figures within three months [in Unrivaled], being able to be housed in Miami, just being able to get better …. I think it’s amazing.”
As far as whether they expect to make $50MM or more per year for stars vs having percentages of revenue allocated we will have to see. I’ve only heard the latter along with some other main points. This opt out makes sense. Currently the WNBA media deal pays $60MM per year with 42 percent of that going to the WNBA. In ‘26 that will increase to $200M plus. They need to get rid of the arbitrary caps.
I understand that no one wants to hear that women are making demands here. It’s tough. It’s a new world order. I fail to see how it’s any different than what we observe in male sports or why it’s wrong. Or, frankly, why everyone is so concerned about the NBA investing in this new product. The shoe revenue alone. Women’s basketball shoes marketed to a whole new demographic.
In my view, the way Angel has thuggishly treated Caitlin, Angel can't be that intelligent if she can't easily recognize that Caitlin is right now the goose who lays the golden eggs for the WNBA.
Angel is there complaining about money and paying her rent. Yet she seems intent on harming Caitlin whose superb talent can make Angel and the rest of the players more money.
The interaction between Reese and Clark seems primarily media-driven to me. Things tend to get a little chippy from time to time in sports, especially with regard to young stars and rivalries. We've seen this in other sports, and with most relevance, in the NBA. While I may find your commentary to be full of racial tropes and other nasty remarks, your interaction with the sport is also the desired result. They want people talking about the WNBA. So, for that, thanks for being part of the WNBA's growth I guess. They don't care so much if people understand what's going on... they just want the drama, the rivalry, and the resultant public interest. "Clark and Reese high five after close, competitive, game" isn't making headlines on ESPN. They walk a fine line with regard to racial undertones, but you're comments about Reese being "thuggish" are exactly what is being driven here. Just look at your own sentiment over time regarding Clark and the WNBA. Soon you'll be watching every game.
Oh please, stop with the BS "Woman making demands" thing, I couldn't care less if a Woman makes more than me or is my boss, if she is qualified then good on her and I'm fine with it.
I have said the exact same thing about Male athletes over the years, true story.
This has absolutely nothing to do with woman or men, the platform is what it is and they knew that going in.
And this "New World order" is debatable, I stick by what I believe in and not what trendy social media tells me to believe
Reese benefits a lot from her "rivalry" with CC. LSU does do a great job of promoting their athletes though and much better than most schools for the women. I believe Livvy Dunne even talks to them about it from time to time.
All the college stars with NIL will be just fine either way which the older players hate. If CC ever gets tired of getting targeted with the refs and league doing nothing about it she has plenty of offers from other leagues that would pay just as much if not more. She might legitimately bring in more revenue than the rest of the league combined with the ratings and attendance differences with and without her.
Technically the players should actually be paying the league if they want what they owe since the league lost 40 million last year and has never turned a profit
Fire AJ Preller
I don't see it as BS. I see it as rhetoric. I did not say "I understand that you don't want to hear..." as I had moved on after my first few paragraphs from responding to your statement more directly to proposing a general synopsis.
It's not about you or your thoughts specifically. It's about the narrative and what bandwagon those on the fringes jump on based on what they hear and what they perceive. You have no bias so you're a better man than I am.
It may not to you, but I see what I would consider to be a double-standard. The current CBA had an opt-out and the players, smartly, opted out. They knew this going in and they did what they should have done. Why are people doing everything they can to move headlines to the extreme? It seems like the intent is to make the "demands" sound ridiculous.
I'm not asserting anything here.
I also don't understand why you have personalized so many of my remarks in such negative connotations. These statements are neither novel nor profound, and they are not about you. I see a pretty clear double-standard with regard to men's and women's sports -- with everyone except for you, perkdog, of course, that tends to focus on Men vs. Women, instead of earnings vs. revenue. When I've seen this in Women's soccer, swimming, and now basketball, i've seen the same thing happen.
The women ask for the same percentage of revenue that the NBA players receive, and it's reported as "Annoying Women, who are not as good as Men, demand equal pay!".
it's really hard to figure out what the value of the WNBA is overall. It's not like we have details on revenue vs expenses. But, without knowing, I think we could assume that the NBA and the owners are operating in their best interests rather than running a charity here. That leads me to believe that the WNBA is a viable product and this is investment rather than subsidy, and assuming that is the case, I would question who's subsidizing whom here.
My opinion is that Caitlin has at least contemplated quitting the league. She's gotten hurt a lot recently, even now missing the All-Star game. She's already rich, and certainly doesn't need the possibility of a more serious injury from one of the league thugs, say going for her knee and possibly crippling her for life.
I'm not making any call, however it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Caitlin announced her retirement after this season is over. Then those such as Angel Reese can enjoy having the league all to themselves, playing in arenas that are 90% empty.
Since I was addressing your comments that you said to me is why I addressed them the way I did
That's as personal as it gets, no more no less since I don't know you personally you shouldn't take any offense.
I'm not all that familiar with their contracts or the variables regarding them opting out but in basic gorilla math which is my speed I'd say the NBA is a billion dollar industry where the WNBA is not, the players are not being forced to suit up is my point, if they don't like the money they are free to chose a different career path is all I'm saying
We're going to need to go see a therapist to get through this I suppose. While I wait for you to schedule that I'll just say that I'm just responding to you, but I'm not assuming your detailed position and my comment about "new world order" and "women's demands" was not directed at you, but rather the general narrative. My point there is equally simple to your Gorilla math. When Men demanded more revenue share in the last NBA CBA (note: this happened in 2023) the narrative was... The players want their fair share of the NBA revenue. The headlines are not the same now, but the players in the WNBA are asking for the same thing - a similar percentage as the men, based on revenue. I don't envision them not getting a better deal. Maybe there were some people out there arguing the owners should keep most of the revenue, but it wasn't like it is with the WNBA. Currently the WNBA players get a much smaller fraction of the revenue they generate compared to the men (who receive around 50%).
The WNBA is going to probably "lose" another $40M this year, but it's not because the WNBA isn't going to be a good investment for the NBA and its owners. What's going to happen is that the WNBA players are going to get quite a bit more. In the WNBA the players are the product, so we should expect that the players would receive around 40-60% of the gross revenue. If the NBA and its owners are actually losing money on the WNBA, and I would be shocked if they are, it's not because of player salaries and I would be shocked if the WNBA isn't cash-flow positive.
There's also zero evidence that the WNBA is losing money, but here's some math that doesn't work... even for gorillas....
In 2018 Adam Silver stated that the WNBA had been losing $10M per year for the past decade.
In 2019 the WNBA reported $110M in revenue.
In 2023 the WNBA reported $200M in revenue.
The WNBA raised $75M in investment in 2022.
Where are all the new expenses? it's not player contracts.
This seems to me to be more about getting public money for stadiums, facilities, etc. and negotiating contracts with the players. In 2026 when that new media deal starts kicking $$$ in I'm sure they'll still be "losing" money.
No need for any therapists, at least not for me since I'm not really all that invested in this debate or your comments that were directed or not directed at me, it's all good.
You definately seem to know more about the WNBA than I do as well as the NBA and their contract situation and money involved in both leagues.
I simply don't follow it unless I have a wager going
But outside of Caitlin Clarke and a handful of other "Star" players ( I excluded Angel. Reese because she isn't a star ) I can't seem to know many players that fans want to buy tickets to go see yet the NBA stars we could fill this entire thread up with marketable players
MAYBE THE WNBA is more profitable than they claim but it will never generate the same dollars as the NBA or NFL, MLB, NHL so that says something about the league.
Regarding percentages of revenue you were talking about that is a fair point, if they get it then great good for them, if they don't then I stand by saying they are free to find another job
Just like a spoiled Male athletes that is holding out because he doesn't feel that a 50 million dollar contract is enough, I just don't sympathize with any athlete male or female, sorry
I think she does really want to play in the league and some of her endorsements are probably dependent on that, but enough injuries certainly could change her mind
Fire AJ Preller
NFL, MLB, NBA all bring in over 10 billion a year. Even MLS brings in over 1 billion and is getting closer to 2. Major league lacrosse which is about as niche as it gets is close to 100 million. By comparison the WNBA brings in about 200 million and loses a ton of money every year.
They finally have a star that brings in eyes and puts butts in seats and instead of embracing it try to hurt her. As it stands now the league only exists as long as the owners are willing to keep losing money on it
Fire AJ Preller
It is funny how bad Clark gets pummeled and the refs and the league put up with it, it's way more than a rookie taking her licks imo
Hopefully Clark gives the league the middle finger and walls away, she certainly has done well enough with her endorsements
The girl from what it seems like is a great kid and has taken the pounding she gets pretty well and hasn't complained much at all.
Would be the ultimate power move for her to just walk away if things keep going this way. I will never understand why they always want to shoot themselves in the foot. 90+ percent of the league could be changed and basically no one would notice.
Fire AJ Preller
I don’t want you, or anyone else, to think that I’m invested in the WNBA. I’ve not watched much women’s basketball. My interest in the subject is merely that it seems like a contentious debate and that usually means there’s something interesting going on. That’s the only reason I’ve done any research. I don’t assert that I’m correct but I’m waiting to hear a compelling argument from the other side.
Ok so no therapist needed I suppose
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Only when trying to handicap the NBA. 😆
The average value of a WNBA franchise has increased 180% just since 2024 to $269m.
That has nothing to do with it. An employee's value to a business is what they are worth to the company as far as productivity, and what it would cost to replace them.
I expect the players to try to form a union. Not sure if they have brought that up or not? So yes, they could form a union. But if the players think that if their demands were too high, that the league would just shut down, then they are out of their dribbling minds.
Except for Caitlin Clark, and she's on the downside right now with injuries. the WNBA could easily lose every player, replace them with others, and I doubt if attendance or TV ratings would suffer at all.
Besides, if the union was formed, then broken, perhaps the first player to come back would be Angel Reese. LOL
I feel like the league is at its 'tipping point'. Could either take baby steps and keep improving the product and the players' pay or the whole thing could fold up.
I think the players are asking too much too soon. Plus they're thinking they have the same pull & power as the NBA
Also every time I hear WNBA, I think of that Howard Stern movie and WNBC
You expect the players to try and form a union? You mean like the WNBPA? Crawl out from under your rock bud and hunt for a clue.
I never heard of the WNBPA. You hadn't either, until you just googled and found it. LOL
Yes, and many out there feel about the WNBA, the same way Stern felt about WNBC. Especially the way the league has treated Caitlin Clark.