@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
Yes. And you and a few others keep posting ad nauseam the same thing over and over....
My guess is you all care about your post counts or you all don't get outside much....but at least you have one friend named NJCOIN.🤪
May I suggest you few members DM each other.🤣😂
But then what would YOU do?
We do DM. Then we decided that effing with you was more fun than collecting coins. Wait till you see what we have planned for you on the Superman coins.
We enjoy your repetitive posts complaining about our repetitive posts. We learned to text FROM outside. If you need some pointers on using smartphones outdoors, let us know.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
Yes. And you and a few others keep posting ad nauseam the same thing over and over....
My guess is you all care about your post counts or you all don't get outside much....but at least you have one friend named NJCOIN.🤪
May I suggest you few members DM each other.🤣😂
Thanks! When we want your suggestions, we'll send YOU a DM soliciting them. 🤣😂
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
Yes. And you and a few others keep posting ad nauseam the same thing over and over....
My guess is you all care about your post counts or you all don't get outside much....but at least you have one friend named NJCOIN.🤪
May I suggest you few members DM each other.🤣😂
But then what would YOU do?
We do DM. Then we decided that effing with you was more fun than collecting coins. Wait till you see what we have planned for you on the Superman coins.
We enjoy your repetitive posts complaining about our repetitive posts. We learned to text FROM outside. If you need some pointers on using smartphones outdoors, let us know.
Yeah ...so I am inside your head I guess🙄
The problem is that you guys keep posting and keeping what should be a dying thread on the top of the list.
And your repetitive posts far out number my few comments about YOUR repetitive posts.
Also, I have to see NJCOIN posts because you keep replying to them thanking them for his fealty towards you because I guess you believe you are his lord. Weird dude....and somewhat sad...🤣😂
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
Botched? Maybe your definition is different than mine. By all accounts they sold 98%+ of the coins before shipping a single one of them and then sale of any remaining stock is assured. That's a success in any book.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
Yes. And you and a few others keep posting ad nauseam the same thing over and over....
My guess is you all care about your post counts or you all don't get outside much....but at least you have one friend named NJCOIN.🤪
May I suggest you few members DM each other.🤣😂
But then what would YOU do?
We do DM. Then we decided that effing with you was more fun than collecting coins. Wait till you see what we have planned for you on the Superman coins.
We enjoy your repetitive posts complaining about our repetitive posts. We learned to text FROM outside. If you need some pointers on using smartphones outdoors, let us know.
Yeah ...so I am inside your head I guess🙄
The problem is that you guys keep posting and keeping what should be a dying thread on the top of the list.
And your repetitive posts far out number my few comments about YOUR repetitive posts.
Also, I have to see NJCOIN posts because you keep replying to them thanking them for his fealty towards you because I guess you believe you are his lord. Weird dude....and somewhat sad...🤣😂
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
Except Pinehurst is NOT the end buyer. Pinehurst should also be worried that this issue can't sell out. Why is that so hard to understand?
Thank you for your continued agreement. No apology is necessary but it is gratefully accepted.
Sorry...but I'm just not on board with the assumption by some that thousands of coins are running back and forth between "the Big Boys" and the Mint stockpile until they get 100% PR70 grades...and that we're getting sloppy seconds...or is it sloppy thirds?!?
A few too many conspiracy pushers out there...on too many topics.
Far more likely that orders beyond the HHL limit are being cancelled or just plain cancelled by those who expected an overnight flip.
100%. The number floating up down and all around is due to cancellations and HHL violations. Not for returns.
It’s a joke already.
The issue is toast.
Everyone that wants one, has one.
Secondary market is not gonna do well—stick a fork in it.
Everyone that wants one, has one.
Secondary market is not gonna do well—stick a fork in it.
Actually at 100k mintage by definition not everyone who wants one can have one based on normal proof silver eagle sales. That is why Ebay presales are still at $200.
The reason it hasn't sold out is the HHL of 1, and nothing else. Why has everyone been waiting for the HHL to be lifted if these are dead money?
Many who wouldn't bother for a one coin flip would have bought 50 in a heartbeat if they had lifted it.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
Except Pinehurst is NOT the end buyer. Pinehurst should also be worried that this issue can't sell out. Why is that so hard to understand?
Thank you for your continued agreement. No apology is necessary but it is gratefully accepted.
Because Pinehurst is a retailer that conducts a retail business and knows what it can sell if only it had inventory. It would not have a bid out at all if it did not have unmet demand.
Don't believe me? Give them a call and ask for a bid on 2025 Morgan Dollars? They don't have to be the end buyer to know how many slabs they can sell, and at what prices, based on what is moving now, and based on what they have been able to move in the past.
You're arguing about what should be, based on the Mint not selling out. Ignoring the fact that they keep canceling orders and have refused to lift the HHL. And ignoring multiple legitimate bids far in excess of issue price.
Saying, basically, it's a "distribution problem," as though only you know that 100K will eventually be on the market, and that the dealers are foolish for trying to make hay while the sun is shining. Because, at least in your mind, "hot" is defined in terms of where something will be in 5 years, not where it is RIGHT NOW!!!! In demand, and unavailable to dealers in the quantities they need. In other words, HOT!!!!
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
@ProofCollection said:
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
Except we saw the 90,000 number then. So they DID put them all on sale
@ProofCollection said:
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
That might or might not have been true with the Kennedys, but, with these, we all saw the item count drop from 89K to 0 in 3.5 hours on Day One. So we know that all available inventory was loaded in at the outset. And that it all sold through on the first day.
The timing of when they are adding back what they are canceling is obviously opaque to us, but we know for a fact they sold out and went Unavailable on Day One, and then again on Day Two, until massive quantities reappeared a few weeks later. All we don't know now is how many they are canceling on a daily basis, and the cadence of when the canceled orders are added back into "ats."
Also, the Kennedys did not have a HHL while these do. So, while your data point might be interesting, it sheds no light on what the Mint is doing here.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
Except Pinehurst is NOT the end buyer. Pinehurst should also be worried that this issue can't sell out. Why is that so hard to understand?
Thank you for your continued agreement. No apology is necessary but it is gratefully accepted.
Because Pinehurst is a retailer that conducts a retail business and knows what it can sell if only it had inventory. It would not have a bid out at all if it did not have unmet demand.
Don't believe me? Give them a call and ask for a bid on 2025 Morgan Dollars? They don't have to be the end buyer to know how many slabs they can sell, and at what prices, based on what is moving now, and based on what they have been able to move in the past.
You're arguing about what should be, based on the Mint not selling out. Ignoring the fact that they keep canceling orders and have refused to lift the HHL. And ignoring multiple legitimate bids far in excess of issue price.
Saying, basically, it's a "distribution problem," as though only you know that 100K will eventually be on the market, and that the dealers are foolish for trying to make hay while the sun is shining. Because, at least in your mind, "hot" is defined in terms of where something will be in 5 years, not where it is RIGHT NOW!!!! In demand, and unavailable to dealers in the quantities they need. In other words, HOT!!!!
No, I've never had the nickname "Superman" but it's sweet that you think so.
@coiner said:
Why bother posting what is believed to be remaining stock. You have counted down to zero several times —to be surprised the counter has reset several thousand pieces to be sold.
The USM has botched this offering. When other posts say this coin is toast—they are 100% correct.
Not selling out for a number of weeks is the death knell for this coin. Secondary market is done.
They should have followed policy and released the HHL after 24 hrs-they would be sold out….put up the sign…and the secondary market would be lively.
Like someone else said—everyone that wants one, has one on order and there are still leftovers.
That was me, but others disagree. They see some phantom unmet need. Apparently, there are supposed to be numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them. Except, of course, Pinehurst et al aren't sold out either.
I'm sure there are people who will buy more... at LESS than $105. It is unclear if there are many people waiting to pay more than $105 much less $200.
This coin will sell out. 100,000 is the right number for a proof eagle but the price action is going to be DOWN.
This issue has been interesting but it stopped being "hot" weeks ago.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
Except Pinehurst is NOT the end buyer. Pinehurst should also be worried that this issue can't sell out. Why is that so hard to understand?
Thank you for your continued agreement. No apology is necessary but it is gratefully accepted.
Because Pinehurst is a retailer that conducts a retail business and knows what it can sell if only it had inventory. It would not have a bid out at all if it did not have unmet demand.
Don't believe me? Give them a call and ask for a bid on 2025 Morgan Dollars? They don't have to be the end buyer to know how many slabs they can sell, and at what prices, based on what is moving now, and based on what they have been able to move in the past.
You're arguing about what should be, based on the Mint not selling out. Ignoring the fact that they keep canceling orders and have refused to lift the HHL. And ignoring multiple legitimate bids far in excess of issue price.
Saying, basically, it's a "distribution problem," as though only you know that 100K will eventually be on the market, and that the dealers are foolish for trying to make hay while the sun is shining. Because, at least in your mind, "hot" is defined in terms of where something will be in 5 years, not where it is RIGHT NOW!!!! In demand, and unavailable to dealers in the quantities they need. In other words, HOT!!!!
No, I've never had the nickname "Superman" but it's sweet that you think so.
Everyone that wants one, has one.
Secondary market is not gonna do well—stick a fork in it.
Actually at 100k mintage by definition not everyone who wants one can have one based on normal proof silver eagle sales. That is why Ebay presales are still at $200.
The reason it hasn't sold out is the HHL of 1, and nothing else. Why has everyone been waiting for the HHL to be lifted if these are dead money?
Many who wouldn't bother for a one coin flip would have bought 50 in a heartbeat if they had lifted it.
Except you have to have an end buyer. Yes, a lot of people would try to flip them. So what? These will be below issue price in a year or less, possibly much less.
@ProofCollection said:
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
That might or might not have been true with the Kennedys, but, with these, we all saw the item count drop from 89K to 0 in 3.5 hours on Day One. So we know that all available inventory was loaded in at the outset. And that it all sold through on the first day.
Did someone actually see the inventory page say 89000? Or did that come from a magazine article?
The ats page showed a full 100k the day before launch(6/12), even though they posted sales of 10k(Bigs cut) a week prior to launch day. So between my screen shot of 100k, and Trey's post of 90k it was obviously updated just before the 6/13 launch.
The ats page looks to be more accurate during a "live sales" page refresh than at any other time.
The ats page has a lot of "up's & down's" as of late.
This issue was hot for the first few days, now it is dead, just me.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe these numbers are just plain wrong? Nothing has shipped yet, right? So maybe it did, in fact, sell out long ago and they just keep taking orders. Maybe none of them get filled. All of these adjustments up, down, left, and right don't make any sense, nor does the lack of demand for one of the most popular collector series in numismatics.
Just a thought, probably wrong
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@DCW said:
Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe these numbers are just plain wrong? Nothing has shipped yet, right? So maybe it did, in fact, sell out long ago and they just keep taking orders. Maybe none of them get filled. All of these adjustments up, down, left, and right don't make any sense, nor does the lack of demand for one of the most popular collector series in numismatics.
Just a thought, probably wrong
Why would they keep adding inventory and selling it just so, what? They cancel them later?
I'm not sure why we are creating new theories and denying the actual facts we have.
@DCW said:
Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe these numbers are just plain wrong? Nothing has shipped yet, right? So maybe it did, in fact, sell out long ago and they just keep taking orders. Maybe none of them get filled. All of these adjustments up, down, left, and right don't make any sense, nor does the lack of demand for one of the most popular collector series in numismatics.
Just a thought, probably wrong
Why would they keep adding inventory and selling it just so, what? They cancel them later?
Because this is a government run agency? lol
I'm not sure why we are creating new theories and denying the actual facts we have.
Which actual facts are those? That there are only 1000 left, or that they are sold out, or that they have more today than yesterday, or that they are shipping on July 31st or July 8th or in October.
This agency is all over the place. I do not believe they have their act together, and I'm not trusting their numbers to be accurate
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@DCW said:
Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe these numbers are just plain wrong? Nothing has shipped yet, right? So maybe it did, in fact, sell out long ago and they just keep taking orders. Maybe none of them get filled. All of these adjustments up, down, left, and right don't make any sense, nor does the lack of demand for one of the most popular collector series in numismatics.
Just a thought, probably wrong
Why would they keep adding inventory and selling it just so, what? They cancel them later?
Because this is a government run agency? lol
I'm not sure why we are creating new theories and denying the actual facts we have.
Which actual facts are those? That there are only 1000 left, or that they are sold out, or that they have more today than yesterday, or that they are shipping on July 31st or July 8th or in October.
This agency is all over the place. I do not believe they have their act together, and I'm not trusting their numbers to be accurate
But they would have to be intentionally adding new (fake?) Inventory every day. It is not at all unusual for the available number to fluctuate with purchases and cancelations. Instead, we want to create a more complicated scenario just because you can't accept that they haven't sold out.
Why isn't the opposite possible? They never sold more than 20,000 coins and there are tens of thousands available.
You are assuming a conclusion (must be hot and sold out) and rejecting any "facts" which disagree.
Why isn't the opposite possible? They never sold more than 20,000 coins and there are tens of thousands available.
You are assuming a conclusion (must be hot and sold out) and rejecting any "facts" which disagree.
Have you confused me with some other jersey boy? I never said this was "hot." Man, you really do love to argue! I don't trust the numbers because they've been wrong on everything else, which destroys credibility. To me, they could be sold out or there could be 20,000 more. Each scenario is completely plausible.
This is the Mint. They've oversold their product in the last, kept taking orders, a d canceled them in the end. Im sure you remember that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm meeting @NJCoin for happy hour
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Why isn't the opposite possible? They never sold more than 20,000 coins and there are tens of thousands available.
You are assuming a conclusion (must be hot and sold out) and rejecting any "facts" which disagree.
Have you confused me with some other jersey boy? I never said this was "hot." Man, you really do love to argue! I don't trust the numbers because they've been wrong on everything else, which destroys credibility. To me, they could be sold out or there could be 20,000 more. Each scenario is completely plausible.
This is the Mint. They've oversold their product in the last, kept taking orders, a d canceled them in the end. Im sure you remember that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm meeting @NJCoin for happy hour
Ok. Fair enough.
I appear to like to argue exactly as much as you do. Must be an East Coast thing.
Kiss NJCOIN for me
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
@ProofCollection said:
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
That might or might not have been true with the Kennedys, but, with these, we all saw the item count drop from 89K to 0 in 3.5 hours on Day One. So we know that all available inventory was loaded in at the outset. And that it all sold through on the first day.
Did someone actually see the inventory page say 89000? Or did that come from a magazine article?
See the post from @treybenedict, who is very reliable when it comes to these sorts of things, on Page 2 of this thread.
Almost 1,000 comments on a coin that has not even shipped yet. Overhyped and overpriced with no credible accountability to numbers available, or purchase offers, either guaranteed, or just speculated. I have a bad feeling there are more flippers than buyers who really want these to keep.
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
ASE's, man. American Silver Eagles, one of the most popular series. Is the sky blue where you are from?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
ASE's, man. American Silver Eagles, one of the most popular series. Is the sky blue where you are from?
Earth. RGDS!
P.S. Can't wait for the release of me beloved Corps. Please let me buy HHL=10! SMPR!!!!
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
ASE's, man. American Silver Eagles, one of the most popular series. Is the sky blue where you are from?
Joisey boy likes to argue. Good for you.
Blue.
Also, where I'm from they sold 93,000. I'm sorry you find that fact inconvenient.
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
ASE's, man. American Silver Eagles, one of the most popular series. Is the sky blue where you are from?
Earth. RGDS!
P.S. Can't wait for the release of me beloved Corps. Please let me buy HHL=10! SMPR!!!!
SMPR!!!!
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
Okay, they now hit TV side by side. PR 70 FDOI. Coin Vault has them for $500, RCTV for $700.
As long as they are marketing them at those prices, and presumably selling them, otherwise they'd be throwing away money paying for TV time to present items that don't sell, they are HOT as compared to a $105 issue price.
@Goldminers said:
Almost 1,000 comments on a coin that has not even shipped yet. Overhyped and overpriced with no credible accountability to numbers available, or purchase offers, either guaranteed, or just speculated. I have a bad feeling there are more flippers than buyers who really want these to keep.
Let's be real....a minimum of 500 of those comments are between the lord and his fealty debating their "expert" opinions. 🤣😂
Another 300 are the members trying to count down to zero only to post higher numbers as the Mint or customers cancels orders.🤪
Comments
But then what would YOU do?
We do DM. Then we decided that effing with you was more fun than collecting coins. Wait till you see what we have planned for you on the Superman coins.
We enjoy your repetitive posts complaining about our repetitive posts. We learned to text FROM outside. If you need some pointers on using smartphones outdoors, let us know.
NO!!!! It's not "numerous people who want multiples and are willing to pay $200+ to get them." It's Pinehurst, the TV guys, et al. because they have demand for slabs at $300+, and need product. Why is that so hard to see?
If they weren't selling, they wouldn't be buying. If they had what they need, they wouldn't be buying. It's not retail wanting to sock away a dozen raw at $200 each because they think they will be worth $400+ in 5 years. It never was.
In the past, retail would get what it needed immediately on the secondary market. Because they'd send out e-mail blasts, line up dozens or hundreds of straw buyers, and get what they need. Now, with ABPP, they can't do straw buying, and the buying clubs have been stymied. So they have unmet demand, which is why the bid is sticky.
Because the Mint won't lift the HHL, and they keep canceling orders of people who want to buy to flip. As a result, the fact that they are no yet sold out is not an indication they are not "hot." The withdrawal of the $200 bid will be, if and when it happens. Which won't be until after retails stops aggressively marketing the slabs. And they are sold out at the Mint. At which point we'll see what happens.
Thanks! When we want your suggestions, we'll send YOU a DM soliciting them. 🤣😂
Yeah ...so I am inside your head I guess🙄
The problem is that you guys keep posting and keeping what should be a dying thread on the top of the list.
And your repetitive posts far out number my few comments about YOUR repetitive posts.
Also, I have to see NJCOIN posts because you keep replying to them thanking them for his fealty towards you because I guess you believe you are his lord. Weird dude....and somewhat sad...🤣😂
Ding! Ding! Ding! All day and all night long!🤣😂
Botched? Maybe your definition is different than mine. By all accounts they sold 98%+ of the coins before shipping a single one of them and then sale of any remaining stock is assured. That's a success in any book.
http://ProofCollection.Net
lmfao
Bump for @WQuarterFreddie
1301, the end is near. (Unless the BIGS make another dump). RGDS!
Except Pinehurst is NOT the end buyer. Pinehurst should also be worried that this issue can't sell out. Why is that so hard to understand?
Thank you for your continued agreement. No apology is necessary but it is gratefully accepted.
Sorry...but I'm just not on board with the assumption by some that thousands of coins are running back and forth between "the Big Boys" and the Mint stockpile until they get 100% PR70 grades...and that we're getting sloppy seconds...or is it sloppy thirds?!?
A few too many conspiracy pushers out there...on too many topics.
Far more likely that orders beyond the HHL limit are being cancelled or just plain cancelled by those who expected an overnight flip.
100%. The number floating up down and all around is due to cancellations and HHL violations. Not for returns.
It’s a joke already.
The issue is toast.
Everyone that wants one, has one.
Secondary market is not gonna do well—stick a fork in it.
@coiner said:
Actually at 100k mintage by definition not everyone who wants one can have one based on normal proof silver eagle sales. That is why Ebay presales are still at $200.
The reason it hasn't sold out is the HHL of 1, and nothing else. Why has everyone been waiting for the HHL to be lifted if these are dead money?
Many who wouldn't bother for a one coin flip would have bought 50 in a heartbeat if they had lifted it.
Without a quick sellout these things never have legs.
Most is us have moved on to the next best offering.
Let’s see what reception the gold Superman coin gets…….
Because Pinehurst is a retailer that conducts a retail business and knows what it can sell if only it had inventory. It would not have a bid out at all if it did not have unmet demand.
Don't believe me? Give them a call and ask for a bid on 2025 Morgan Dollars? They don't have to be the end buyer to know how many slabs they can sell, and at what prices, based on what is moving now, and based on what they have been able to move in the past.
You're arguing about what should be, based on the Mint not selling out. Ignoring the fact that they keep canceling orders and have refused to lift the HHL. And ignoring multiple legitimate bids far in excess of issue price.
Saying, basically, it's a "distribution problem," as though only you know that 100K will eventually be on the market, and that the dealers are foolish for trying to make hay while the sun is shining. Because, at least in your mind, "hot" is defined in terms of where something will be in 5 years, not where it is RIGHT NOW!!!! In demand, and unavailable to dealers in the quantities they need. In other words, HOT!!!!
7980 oh!
I have a data point that I don't think people are aware of. For the 2025 2-Roll Kennedy Half Dollar Set, when it went on sale I didn't get the "ats" number when it first went on sale, but after a week or so it looked like they were really running low on product so I bought a few more. After the weekend where I expected it to sell out, suddenly they had several thousand more "ats." With a product like the 2-roll set, we know there weren't a bunch of returns and we also know there weren't a bunch of cancellations. Or at least we wouldn't really expect that to be the case. What we do learn here is that the Mint doesn't always load the full inventory into the "ats" when things go on sale.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Except we saw the 90,000 number then. So they DID put them all on sale
That might or might not have been true with the Kennedys, but, with these, we all saw the item count drop from 89K to 0 in 3.5 hours on Day One. So we know that all available inventory was loaded in at the outset. And that it all sold through on the first day.
The timing of when they are adding back what they are canceling is obviously opaque to us, but we know for a fact they sold out and went Unavailable on Day One, and then again on Day Two, until massive quantities reappeared a few weeks later. All we don't know now is how many they are canceling on a daily basis, and the cadence of when the canceled orders are added back into "ats."
Also, the Kennedys did not have a HHL while these do. So, while your data point might be interesting, it sheds no light on what the Mint is doing here.
No, I've never had the nickname "Superman" but it's sweet that you think so.
Well, you have it now!!! 😀
Except you have to have an end buyer. Yes, a lot of people would try to flip them. So what? These will be below issue price in a year or less, possibly much less.
People are starting to cancel order themselves, it isn't only the mint doing it. There is no way they jump up to almost 8k on only the mint.
They should have lifted the HHL and sold these out. Once that happens the canceling will stop.
Did someone actually see the inventory page say 89000? Or did that come from a magazine article?
http://ProofCollection.Net
I'd like to hear the explanation for that. I have one, but no one is going to like it.
The mint is sitting on almost 82k pre-orders at HHL of 1. That's a lot of people waiting.
On the second page of this thread, @treybenedict reported an "initial stock" figure of 89987.
Link: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13923146/#Comment_13923146
Do NOT know where he got the figure from.
Trey, if you do not mind sharing, where did you get this figure from?
Edited for tone.
And how many of them are flippers?
Sold 223 in the past hour and 20 minutes
7757 remaining.
Or NEGATIVE 6000 in the last 24 hours
Lmfao
The ats page showed a full 100k the day before launch(6/12), even though they posted sales of 10k(Bigs cut) a week prior to launch day. So between my screen shot of 100k, and Trey's post of 90k it was obviously updated just before the 6/13 launch.
The ats page looks to be more accurate during a "live sales" page refresh than at any other time.
The ats page has a lot of "up's & down's" as of late.
This issue was hot for the first few days, now it is dead, just me.
Interesting. My order status shows as "backorder" with no date.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe these numbers are just plain wrong? Nothing has shipped yet, right? So maybe it did, in fact, sell out long ago and they just keep taking orders. Maybe none of them get filled. All of these adjustments up, down, left, and right don't make any sense, nor does the lack of demand for one of the most popular collector series in numismatics.
Just a thought, probably wrong
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
How many do you think were bought that will actually go into there collection, I for one am keeping mine.
Why would they keep adding inventory and selling it just so, what? They cancel them later?
I'm not sure why we are creating new theories and denying the actual facts we have.
Because this is a government run agency? lol
Which actual facts are those? That there are only 1000 left, or that they are sold out, or that they have more today than yesterday, or that they are shipping on July 31st or July 8th or in October.
This agency is all over the place. I do not believe they have their act together, and I'm not trusting their numbers to be accurate
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
But they would have to be intentionally adding new (fake?) Inventory every day. It is not at all unusual for the available number to fluctuate with purchases and cancelations. Instead, we want to create a more complicated scenario just because you can't accept that they haven't sold out.
Why isn't the opposite possible? They never sold more than 20,000 coins and there are tens of thousands available.
You are assuming a conclusion (must be hot and sold out) and rejecting any "facts" which disagree.
Have you confused me with some other jersey boy? I never said this was "hot." Man, you really do love to argue! I don't trust the numbers because they've been wrong on everything else, which destroys credibility. To me, they could be sold out or there could be 20,000 more. Each scenario is completely plausible.
This is the Mint. They've oversold their product in the last, kept taking orders, a d canceled them in the end. Im sure you remember that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm meeting @NJCoin for happy hour
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Ok. Fair enough.
I appear to like to argue exactly as much as you do. Must be an East Coast thing.
Kiss NJCOIN for me
You seemed to be arguing that you couldn't believe "there was a lack of demand for one of the most popular series" and that it "sold out long ago". Your words. Absent that assumption, I see no reason to question the numbers.
See the post from @treybenedict, who is very reliable when it comes to these sorts of things, on Page 2 of this thread.
Almost 1,000 comments on a coin that has not even shipped yet. Overhyped and overpriced with no credible accountability to numbers available, or purchase offers, either guaranteed, or just speculated. I have a bad feeling there are more flippers than buyers who really want these to keep.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
My order just changed to "processing" on the order summary page.
The logistics of all this a very screwy. Moe,Larry,Curly !!
ASE's, man. American Silver Eagles, one of the most popular series. Is the sky blue where you are from?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Earth. RGDS!
P.S. Can't wait for the release of me beloved Corps. Please let me buy HHL=10! SMPR!!!!
Joisey boy likes to argue. Good for you.
Blue.
Also, where I'm from they sold 93,000. I'm sorry you find that fact inconvenient.
SMPR!!!!
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
Okay, they now hit TV side by side. PR 70 FDOI. Coin Vault has them for $500, RCTV for $700.
As long as they are marketing them at those prices, and presumably selling them, otherwise they'd be throwing away money paying for TV time to present items that don't sell, they are HOT as compared to a $105 issue price.
Let's be real....a minimum of 500 of those comments are between the lord and his fealty debating their "expert" opinions. 🤣😂
Another 300 are the members trying to count down to zero only to post higher numbers as the Mint or customers cancels orders.🤪
This thread should be on page 3 by now🙄
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