1882 CC Story From Something To Nothing

lilolme · July 12, 2025 11:50AM

Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed...
Okay not that story, but just a story and nothing more.
How my 1882 CC Morgan $ went from 'Something' To 'Nothing'.
(Not meant to be taken as a problem. just killing some time.)

Back in 1999 at the CSNS show I was walking the bourse for the second time around and saw this 1882 CC. I knew it was not there previously and asked. It had just been put in the display case. Looked it over. Asked the price. Bought it.

Paid a little premium but...........

So I had a pcgs 'registered' 1882 CC 65dmpl.

A couple of old pictures, maybe 2004'ish, that I more recently cropped, from the now 20+ year old snap-o'matic.

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Then in 2011 when I was submitting various groups of mostly dollars to cac, I decided to submit some dmpl dollars. This one came back with the little green sticker. Below is a more recent photo from the same snap-o'matic.

I now had a pcgs 'registered' 1882 CC 65dmpl with cac. (Where did the Coin: 17 go? )
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Sometime later, I don't recall when, but probably around 2015 I was messing with some pcgs inventory stuff online. I typed this cert number in and it came back as cert 'No good'. Of course I tried more than a couple of times but not to be. I wondered how long it had been 'No good' (was it ever good ). When I bought it in 99 checking cert numbers was not something I did like I do today. I did go and check most of the other older slabs I had and did not encounter another 'No good'. I am wondering now should I be checking these slab cert numbers every so often just in case one has recently gone 'no good'.

I brought the slab to a pcgs show in LV and gave it to a pcgs representative with the story. I was told that sometimes they can get the cert number back into the system but other times it will not take. They took the slab to the back room and about 30 minutes later came back out and said that it appeared that the system took the number but it would be a few days before it showed up. A week later still no good. Another week and no good. And that is the way it ended 'No good' cert.

I checked the cac status online and it was cac approved.

Now I had an 1882 CC 65dmpl cac but not pcgs cert 'registered' valid.

In Nov 2019 pcgs started sharing information with cac. PCGS created some registry sets for cac approved coins only, using this shared information. However, cac now had the pcgs information also. Probably can guess the result. My cac approved 1882 CC 65dmpl went to no longer cac valid. Today it reads as:
This cert# is no longer active and is not included in the current CAC Pop report.

So now the 1882 CC 65dmpl was no longer pcgs cert valid and no longer cac valid. I had/have 'Nothing'.

I was surprised that my snap-o'matic was able to capture the 'Nothing'.
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I could re-holder with a new cert # (yes, they do that sometimes and was one of their prior solutions) and resend to cac but I like the holder it is in. I might try again with pcgs sometime and see if the system today will 'take' the old cert number - probably not. Maybe try an in-holder TV (oh no! not one of those ) but not sure why that would make the cert valid and if not how the TV could/would be transferred to me (no active cert number to attach them to). I do plan on keeping it - who knows maybe one day it will all be good again.
I know, Dream On.

And that was a set up for Aerosmith Dream On
But via remake by Morgan James with Postmodern Jukebox (PMJ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq4KA0mUnC8

Or perhaps a Dream On guitar version (she calls it a shred version) from Sophie Lloyd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWF-QcWNoqU
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Oh and to finish the thread where it started:
Hillbilly that is, sit a spell, take your shoes off.
Y'all come back now, y'hear?

Heubschgold · July 12, 2025 12:37PM

"well if dat don't beat all !" ---Hoss

MsMorrisine · July 12, 2025 1:48PM

a twilight zone episode

AUandAG · July 12, 2025 1:54PM

Maybe a fake with that cert number was found and the system will no longer allow that number? It's only a problem if you decide to sell, 'eh? Yeah, I'd get it into a new cert now as prices will certainly be higher in the future.

bob

Catbert · July 12, 2025 1:57PM

Interesting story. I immediately suspected the label lettering looked suspicious and wonder if this was the reason it failed registration??

braddick · July 12, 2025 2:50PM

Pure speculation: Someone nefariously attempted to register your dollar within the PCGS Registry probably a decade or two ago. PCGS probably became aware of this and removed the insert number so these attempts would become difficult.

-Once the serial number is removed it is difficult to get it back in their system.

MsMorrisine · July 12, 2025 3:03PM

there is a holder generation variation where the label looks counterfeit

this is it

an funky label won't be why it isn't in the database

littlebear · July 12, 2025 3:09PM

That is one awesome coin!

lilolme · July 12, 2025 3:10PM

The coin and the slab are good. Just a dried up cert #. I have speculated to myself what might have happened as well.
Just thought it might be a good story, a little entertainment and an opportunity to put a couple photos and videos.

TomB · July 12, 2025 5:11PM

From the holder it looks like its original cert number would be seven digits and likely begin either 56 or 57. You keep typing "registered", but did you actually ever enter it into a registry set at PCGS? I imagine you didn't and I imagine the PCGS cert number never came up as valid.

In my opinion and experience, the coin is good, the PCGS holder is good, the CAC sticker is good, but the coin was not properly entered into the PCGS database at the time of grading (1998-1999) and so it is "lost". If PCGS can't squeeze it into the database then you can either keep it as it is or go through the reholder process. Good luck!

7Jaguars · July 12, 2025 5:38PM

Can you not see if they will again look at it and issue a new number and slab?

MsMorrisine · July 12, 2025 5:47PM

you now have a reason to go to a show!

Pnies20 · July 12, 2025 6:43PM

What kind of voodoo did they pull with that cert number???

https://youtu.be/DS92mxX0IEc?si=okU_CMKZJ-7kUqce

lilolme · July 13, 2025 7:30AM

@TomB said:
but the coin was not properly entered into the PCGS database at the time of grading (1998-1999) and so it is "lost".

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That is what I was wondering and mentioned in the OP if it ever was good. Just didn't check this stuff back then. Not even certain when the online cert checks began.
Oh the cert begins with a 5 but the next number is a two.
If I recall correctly when I came back around the next day and saw it new in the case they told me they had just got it back from grading (tried for a regrade and upgrade to 66 as there was no reconsideration or + then). This slab according to pcgs museum of holder began in October 1998 and my spreadsheet indicates I bought it in April 1999. So even if my story is not remembered correctly it couldn't have been around very long.

@7Jaguars said:
Can you not see if they will again look at it and issue a new number and slab?

Yes, that is a possibility I mentioned, to try again. That is with today's system they have but I have little confidence.

@MsMorrisine said:
you now have a reason to go to a show!

Yes, maybe will try again at the Dec. PCGS LV show (hope to make it) since they are typically more available than at the larger grading shows.

@Pnies20 There we go, some music. The important stuff.

Morgan13 · July 13, 2025 7:50AM

I am in love with that coin. It's a beauty!

TomB · July 13, 2025 9:57AM

You are correct that this slab generation began in the fall of 1998 (September/October) and a Columbian commem I had sent in September, 1998 and received back in October, 1998 was the first one any of us had seen in the then "new" blue holder. I had also sent in multiple invoices to PCGS in the 1998-1999 timeframe and most coins came back with 56 or 57 at the start of their cert numbers, which is why I guessed those numbers.

lilolme · July 13, 2025 3:29PM

@TomB said:
You are correct that this slab generation began in the fall of 1998 (September/October) and a Columbian commem I had sent in September, 1998 and received back in October, 1998 was the first one any of us had seen in the then "new" blue holder. I had also sent in multiple invoices to PCGS in the 1998-1999 timeframe and most coins came back with 56 or 57 at the start of their cert numbers, which is why I guessed those numbers.

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I semi-recall when first seeing the new blue labels. Can't recall which show (maybe a LB). My limited discussions with others the new blue labels were fairly well received. I thought they were better as the blue was more neutral on the eyes.

Reading the PCGS museum of holders it indicates that the first blue labels had a straight sided hologram on the reverse. I have not paid any attention to this. But I went looking to see if I had one and found 4. Below a couple of quick photos of. I think when looking for it, it can be identified but otherwise it is just a logo. I am assuming the PCGS information is correct.

1882 CC Story From Something To Nothing

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