@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
Lol. Even they don't have them yet. They only get them a week or so before everyone else.
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
I'm pretty sure there are no backsies on ABBP product.
@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
I'm pretty sure there are no backsies on ABBP product.
Are you sure???
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
I'm pretty sure there are no backsies on ABBP product.
Are you sure???
Pretty, pretty sure. ABBP is a special subset of the regular bulk program. Limited number of big dealers. Special premium pricing, limited advance delivery window, etc. Pretty sure it's all sales final.
@heavymetal said:
Well I suspected the order process went too smoothly for me on the day the ASE Army coin was released. My transaction was completed by 12:10 on day one of availability, even being able to use a Christmas Gift Certificate. I should have known the Government would screw it up. Come to find out that my one single coin purchased with a current credit card was cancelled. A first for me in my 26 years of buying from the mint. I've been shut-out before on hot items but never cancelled. I reordered today probably securing a beat up return coin if I ever do receive the item. I sent a request to the mint asking for explanation. I'm not holding my breath.
There can't be any returns, they haven't shipped any.
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
I'm pretty sure there are no backsies on ABBP product.
Are you sure???
Pretty, pretty sure. ABBP is a special subset of the regular bulk program. Limited number of big dealers. Special premium pricing, limited advance delivery window, etc. Pretty sure it's all sales final.
I know I was joking
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
@SilverPlatinum said: 4251 coins in the inventory as of this post.
If they just raised the HHL to 2 they'd sell them out in less than 5 minutes. Guess they aren't anxious to do anything, and are happy to let them dibble out slowly, until they are ready to ship.
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Jul 8, 2025, 9 AM
In less than five hours June 13, collectors and the public at large placed sufficient orders to exhaust the maximum authorized mintage of 100,000 Proof 2025-W American Eagle, 250th Anniversary United States Army privy-marked 1-ounce silver dollars, launched for sale at $105 per coin.
Of the 100,000 coins minted, 10% (10,000 coins) were reserved for sale to the Mint’s 17 Authorized Bulk Purchase Program dealers (whose identities are not publicly disclosed by the U.S. Mint). Individual ABPP dealers are allowed to place advance orders for some portion of the reserved coins.
The remaining 90,000 available for the June 13 sales launch were sold within five hours.
Overloaded system
According to U.S. Mint official comments released July 1 through the Mint’s Office of Public Affairs, “As with other anticipated high demand product launches, the United States Mint (Mint) implemented household order limits and utilized a waiting room to manage access to the online catalog for the American Eagle Silver Dollar with Army Privy Mark (25APM) launch.
“Almost immediately, we became aware of concerns regarding the wait times customers in the waiting room were receiving, with some customers initially receiving estimates of 8 hours to ‘more than a day.’ We also encountered issues with payment processing, which were exacerbated by bots and people trying to avoid the household order limits.
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
“When it initially opens, traffic has not yet started flowing to the online catalog, so it takes time to ‘learn’ how quickly the existing traffic (which was tens of thousands of customers on June 13) will flow. The high wait times were reported between approximately 11:45 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. Eastern Time.
“As incoming traffic slowed, and customers were admitted to the catalog the wait time calculations become more accurate. By 12:15 pm ET, wait times were 30 minutes or less for most customers.”
@Goldbully said:
Interesting Coin World article from today.
Mint reviews recent customer ordering troubles
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Jul 8, 2025, 9 AM
In less than five hours June 13, collectors and the public at large placed sufficient orders to exhaust the maximum authorized mintage of 100,000 Proof 2025-W American Eagle, 250th Anniversary United States Army privy-marked 1-ounce silver dollars, launched for sale at $105 per coin.
Of the 100,000 coins minted, 10% (10,000 coins) were reserved for sale to the Mint’s 17 Authorized Bulk Purchase Program dealers (whose identities are not publicly disclosed by the U.S. Mint). Individual ABPP dealers are allowed to place advance orders for some portion of the reserved coins.
The remaining 90,000 available for the June 13 sales launch were sold within five hours.
Overloaded system
According to U.S. Mint official comments released July 1 through the Mint’s Office of Public Affairs, “As with other anticipated high demand product launches, the United States Mint (Mint) implemented household order limits and utilized a waiting room to manage access to the online catalog for the American Eagle Silver Dollar with Army Privy Mark (25APM) launch.
“Almost immediately, we became aware of concerns regarding the wait times customers in the waiting room were receiving, with some customers initially receiving estimates of 8 hours to ‘more than a day.’ We also encountered issues with payment processing, which were exacerbated by bots and people trying to avoid the household order limits.
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
“When it initially opens, traffic has not yet started flowing to the online catalog, so it takes time to ‘learn’ how quickly the existing traffic (which was tens of thousands of customers on June 13) will flow. The high wait times were reported between approximately 11:45 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. Eastern Time.
“As incoming traffic slowed, and customers were admitted to the catalog the wait time calculations become more accurate. By 12:15 pm ET, wait times were 30 minutes or less for most customers.”
@Goldbully said:
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
I had the more than a day message in the waiting room.
@Goldbully said:
Interesting Coin World article from today.
Mint reviews recent customer ordering troubles
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Jul 8, 2025, 9 AM
In less than five hours June 13, collectors and the public at large placed sufficient orders to exhaust the maximum authorized mintage of 100,000 Proof 2025-W American Eagle, 250th Anniversary United States Army privy-marked 1-ounce silver dollars, launched for sale at $105 per coin.
Of the 100,000 coins minted, 10% (10,000 coins) were reserved for sale to the Mint’s 17 Authorized Bulk Purchase Program dealers (whose identities are not publicly disclosed by the U.S. Mint). Individual ABPP dealers are allowed to place advance orders for some portion of the reserved coins.
The remaining 90,000 available for the June 13 sales launch were sold within five hours.
Overloaded system
According to U.S. Mint official comments released July 1 through the Mint’s Office of Public Affairs, “As with other anticipated high demand product launches, the United States Mint (Mint) implemented household order limits and utilized a waiting room to manage access to the online catalog for the American Eagle Silver Dollar with Army Privy Mark (25APM) launch.
“Almost immediately, we became aware of concerns regarding the wait times customers in the waiting room were receiving, with some customers initially receiving estimates of 8 hours to ‘more than a day.’ We also encountered issues with payment processing, which were exacerbated by bots and people trying to avoid the household order limits.
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
“When it initially opens, traffic has not yet started flowing to the online catalog, so it takes time to ‘learn’ how quickly the existing traffic (which was tens of thousands of customers on June 13) will flow. The high wait times were reported between approximately 11:45 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. Eastern Time.
“As incoming traffic slowed, and customers were admitted to the catalog the wait time calculations become more accurate. By 12:15 pm ET, wait times were 30 minutes or less for most customers.”
I had the more than a day message in the waiting room.
@Goldbully said:
Interesting Coin World article from today.
Mint reviews recent customer ordering troubles
By Paul Gilkes , Coin World
Published: Jul 8, 2025, 9 AM
In less than five hours June 13, collectors and the public at large placed sufficient orders to exhaust the maximum authorized mintage of 100,000 Proof 2025-W American Eagle, 250th Anniversary United States Army privy-marked 1-ounce silver dollars, launched for sale at $105 per coin.
Of the 100,000 coins minted, 10% (10,000 coins) were reserved for sale to the Mint’s 17 Authorized Bulk Purchase Program dealers (whose identities are not publicly disclosed by the U.S. Mint). Individual ABPP dealers are allowed to place advance orders for some portion of the reserved coins.
The remaining 90,000 available for the June 13 sales launch were sold within five hours.
Overloaded system
According to U.S. Mint official comments released July 1 through the Mint’s Office of Public Affairs, “As with other anticipated high demand product launches, the United States Mint (Mint) implemented household order limits and utilized a waiting room to manage access to the online catalog for the American Eagle Silver Dollar with Army Privy Mark (25APM) launch.
“Almost immediately, we became aware of concerns regarding the wait times customers in the waiting room were receiving, with some customers initially receiving estimates of 8 hours to ‘more than a day.’ We also encountered issues with payment processing, which were exacerbated by bots and people trying to avoid the household order limits.
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
“When it initially opens, traffic has not yet started flowing to the online catalog, so it takes time to ‘learn’ how quickly the existing traffic (which was tens of thousands of customers on June 13) will flow. The high wait times were reported between approximately 11:45 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. Eastern Time.
“As incoming traffic slowed, and customers were admitted to the catalog the wait time calculations become more accurate. By 12:15 pm ET, wait times were 30 minutes or less for most customers.”
Why does coin world only report half the story? Why don’t they address the ~37,000 available last week, or why did the mint choose to keep the hhl of 1 in effect this time (for the first time in many years)? If on June 13th they all sold in less than 5 hours, how come I can buy one right now?
If it takes 25 days to post a story, at least gather facts as the time progresses. Gotta do better Paul Gilkes
@Goldbully said:
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
Payment issues were a tiny fraction of the ~40K coins that have been available for sale in the weeks after 6/13. Nor were waiting room issues. Not sure why they threw the kitchen sink into that article.
The vast majority were bots, and widespread apparent address jiggering. They are apparently serious about not letting people game this on a large scale, given how long they have now been on sale, and their apparent refusal to lift the HHL.
What's left could now disappear in 5 minutes if they lifted the HHL. And they have been available for sale for a week now, so anyone who wanted one had more than a fair opportunity. The Mint seems committed at this point to not allowing the gamers to get them, by not lifting the HHL and blocking them.
Maybe they lift the HHL tomorrow. Maybe not at all. Because, at the current pace of sales, they should be gone in a week or so even if the HHL is never lifted.
@1madman said:
Why does coin world only report half the story? Why don’t they address the ~37,000 available last week, or why did the mint choose to keep the hhl of 1 in effect this time (for the first time in many years)? If on June 13th they all sold in less than 5 hours, how come I can buy one right now?
If it takes 25 days to post a story, at least gather facts as the time progresses. Gotta do better Paul Gilkes
It's more about the author, than it is about CW imo? He has no credibility with me anymore, just me. I ignore him after reading his politically charged "opinion" pieces disguised as factual Mint news that came out a few months ago.
And yes, a day late and a dollar short, so to speak.
@MsMorrisine said:
the major problem is that it scares off potential buyers
maybe kept some flippers from trying!
Except that time lasted for seconds to a minute before it recalculate. I doubt many were scared away. And since they are still available, it really is a non-problem.
@Goldbully said:
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
Payment issues were a tiny fraction of the ~40K coins that have been available for sale in the weeks after 6/13. Nor were waiting room issues. Not sure why they threw the kitchen sink into that article.
The vast majority were bots, and widespread apparent address jiggering. They are apparently serious about not letting people game this on a large scale, given how long they have now been on sale, and their apparent refusal to lift the HHL.
What's left could now disappear in 5 minutes if they lifted the HHL. And they have been available for sale for a week now, so anyone who wanted one had more than a fair opportunity. The Mint seems committed at this point to not allowing the gamers to get them, by not lifting the HHL and blocking them.
Maybe they lift the HHL tomorrow. Maybe not at all. Because, at the current pace of sales, they should be gone in a week or so even if the HHL is never lifted.
You ASSUME.
Here you've got the Mint and Coin World but you have a better source?
You are conflating bots with "gamers" and "sneaker buyers" (in a previous post).
@Goldbully said:
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
Payment issues were a tiny fraction of the ~40K coins that have been available for sale in the weeks after 6/13. Nor were waiting room issues. Not sure why they threw the kitchen sink into that article.
The vast majority were bots, and widespread apparent address jiggering. They are apparently serious about not letting people game this on a large scale, given how long they have now been on sale, and their apparent refusal to lift the HHL.
What's left could now disappear in 5 minutes if they lifted the HHL. And they have been available for sale for a week now, so anyone who wanted one had more than a fair opportunity. The Mint seems committed at this point to not allowing the gamers to get them, by not lifting the HHL and blocking them.
Maybe they lift the HHL tomorrow. Maybe not at all. Because, at the current pace of sales, they should be gone in a week or so even if the HHL is never lifted.
You ASSUME.
Here you've got the Mint and Coin World but you have a better source?
The Mint also has no interest in preventing gamers from getting them. You are conflating bots with "gamers" and "sneaker buyers" (in a previous post).
Yes. My common sense. ~40K credit cards didn't reject a $100 charge. Take it to the bank.
I'm not assuming anything. I know it for a stone cold fact, based on all the releases over all the years at all the various price points. You can sit in the dark. I KNOW. For a fact.
And, after Coin World's sterling work on the FH releases, I no longer consider it an authority on anything. It is nothing more than a publisher of Mint press releases. And lately, they release misinformation as often as they release accurate information.
Also, I'm not conflating anything. Gamers, bots, sneaker buyers, etc. Everyone is entitled to one. The issue this time around was not bots jamming up the website, since it was up and running, with people able to order for a solid 3.5 hours after 12:00 noon.
No, the issue this time was the Mint being serious about purging orders with jiggered addresses. They seemingly did not have a script for that, since it took them 3 weeks to release the coins. I'm calling jiggerers gamers. Because they are.
@MsMorrisine said:
maybe kept some flippers from trying!
Within ten minutes of the release going live, a link was being shared among all the buying groups that allowed you to bypass the queue and checkout the coin, so it didn't have much of an effect. (ETA: the link was available before the release, but it didn't spread until the long wait times appeared. The Mint has since blocked this method of checking out.)
@Goldbully said:
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
Payment issues were a tiny fraction of the ~40K coins that have been available for sale in the weeks after 6/13. Nor were waiting room issues. Not sure why they threw the kitchen sink into that article.
The vast majority were bots, and widespread apparent address jiggering. They are apparently serious about not letting people game this on a large scale, given how long they have now been on sale, and their apparent refusal to lift the HHL.
What's left could now disappear in 5 minutes if they lifted the HHL. And they have been available for sale for a week now, so anyone who wanted one had more than a fair opportunity. The Mint seems committed at this point to not allowing the gamers to get them, by not lifting the HHL and blocking them.
Maybe they lift the HHL tomorrow. Maybe not at all. Because, at the current pace of sales, they should be gone in a week or so even if the HHL is never lifted.
You ASSUME.
Here you've got the Mint and Coin World but you have a better source?
The Mint also has no interest in preventing gamers from getting them. You are conflating bots with "gamers" and "sneaker buyers" (in a previous post).
Yes. My common sense. ~40K credit cards didn't reject a $100 charge. Take it to the bank.
I'm not assuming anything. I know it for a stone cold fact, based on all the releases over all the years at all the various price points. You can sit in the dark. I KNOW. For a fact.
And, after Coin World's sterling work on the FH releases, I no longer consider it an authority on anything. It is nothing more than a publisher of Mint press releases. And lately, they release misinformation as often as they release accurate information.
Also, I'm not conflating anything. Gamers, bots, sneaker buyers, etc. Everyone is entitled to one. The issue this time around was not bots jamming up the website, since it was up and running, with people able to order for a solid 3.5 hours after 12:00 noon.
No, the issue this time was the Mint being serious about purged orders with jiggered addresses. They seemingly did not have a script for that, since it took them 3 weeks to release the coins. I'm calling jiggerers gamers. Because they are.
@NJCoin said:
I'm not assuming anything. I know it for a stone cold fact, based on all the releases over all the years at all the various price points. You can sit in the dark. I KNOW. For a fact.
how many times have we seen "more than a day" ? it wasn't on the FH releases
I even got "more than a day"
I think it is possible backend changes were made and we were the beta testers by force
@changeofpace said:
Within ten minutes of the release going live, a link was being shared among all the buying groups that allowed you to bypass the queue and checkout the coin, so it didn't have much of an effect. (ETA: the link was available before the release, but it didn't spread until the long wait times appeared. The Mint has since blocked this method of checking out.)
@changeofpace said:
Within ten minutes of the release going live, a link was being shared among all the buying groups that allowed you to bypass the queue and checkout the coin, so it didn't have much of an effect. (ETA: the link was available before the release, but it didn't spread until the long wait times appeared. The Mint has since blocked this method of checking out.)
@MsMorrisine said:
i suspect there is some browser and user specific info coded into the url once someone is "in"
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They act like no other businesses ever get this many people wanting to order at the same time
. The large database providers can easily handle a surge like this. Amazon at peak sales does 110 orders per second. They would sell 100,000 coins at one per household in 15 minutes or less. They have no waiting room.
My numbers show that the mint only did 8 orders per second over 3 1/2 hours.
Amazon does 110 per second, and the mint does only 8, and they still crash.
From AI
"Modern database providers can easily handle a load of 110 orders per second with appropriate configuration and hardware. Major cloud database services such as Azure SQL Database offer scalable compute resources, allowing you to provision databases with sufficient performance for high-throughput transactional workloads. Even standard or business-critical tiers can be scaled up to handle thousands of transactions per second, far exceeding the 110 orders per second requirement."
@HalfDime said:
They act like no other businesses ever get this many people wanting to order at the same time
. The large database providers can easily handle a surge like this. Amazon at peak sales does 110 orders per second. They would sell 100,000 coins at one per household in 28 minutes or less. They have no waiting room.
My numbers show that the mint only did 8 orders per second over 3 1/2 hours.
Amazon does 110 per second, and the mint does only 8, and they still crash.
From AI
"Modern database providers can easily handle a load of 110 orders per second with appropriate configuration and hardware. Major cloud database services such as Azure SQL Database offer scalable compute resources, allowing you to provision databases with sufficient performance for high-throughput transactional workloads. Even standard or business-critical tiers can be scaled up to handle thousands of transactions per second, far exceeding the 110 orders per second requirement."
I wish mint removed HHL altogether.
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
@RichR said:
Is it possible that the Mint went back retroactively and cancelled many of the orders that used "the automated workaround"?
Maybe that accounted for the thousands of available coins?
You were cutting the queue after all.
Meanwhile, on Day 1, I was able to get one using the dicey wi-fi and my iPhone in a Shop-Rite in New Jersey...so if you really wanted one....
Yes. Of course. But not because 40K people used the back door to go in and order one. But because far fewer scammers used address jiggering to order many.
@RichR said:
Is it possible that the Mint went back retroactively and cancelled many of the orders that used "the automated workaround"?
i wondered about that too. though, i'd think if they could be identified after ordering, then couldn't they stop it during the ordering
Not if they weren't looking for it.
Contrary to what notNY says, they find 99% of these by running a script not by hand comparing them. However, they have to create and run the script so they have to know what they are looking for.
I have no idea what is going on with these numbers, and I am not interested in trying to figure it out. But I am a little curious about how it will all end.
I wonder if they went to backorder while still supposedly having a few thousand available so they can scrutinize the latest batch of orders for HHL violators. 🤔
@JBK said:
I have no idea what is going on with these numbers, and I am not interested in trying to figure out out. But I am a little curious about how it will all end.
I wonder if they went to backorder while still supposedly having a few thousand available so they can scrutinize the latest batch of orders for HHL violators. 🤔
At this point, it looks like they are in no rush to do anything. Especially since they are apparently not yet ready to ship.
My guess would be that if any are left when they start shipping, that will be the time they lift the HHL and let us fight over them.
Comments
Are you sure??
After all, we still have not heard from some of the legal eagles here on this matter and I'm sure they have an opinion that they would like to share - especially about the ABBP buyers returning their non-70's!
BST references available on request
Lol. Even they don't have them yet. They only get them a week or so before everyone else.
I'm pretty sure there are no backsies on ABBP product.
Are you sure???
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
Pretty, pretty sure. ABBP is a special subset of the regular bulk program. Limited number of big dealers. Special premium pricing, limited advance delivery window, etc. Pretty sure it's all sales final.
I know I was joking
God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️
4251 coins in the inventory as of this post.
If they just raised the HHL to 2 they'd sell them out in less than 5 minutes. Guess they aren't anxious to do anything, and are happy to let them dibble out slowly, until they are ready to ship.
Interesting Coin World article from today.
Mint reviews recent customer ordering troubles
In less than five hours June 13, collectors and the public at large placed sufficient orders to exhaust the maximum authorized mintage of 100,000 Proof 2025-W American Eagle, 250th Anniversary United States Army privy-marked 1-ounce silver dollars, launched for sale at $105 per coin.
Of the 100,000 coins minted, 10% (10,000 coins) were reserved for sale to the Mint’s 17 Authorized Bulk Purchase Program dealers (whose identities are not publicly disclosed by the U.S. Mint). Individual ABPP dealers are allowed to place advance orders for some portion of the reserved coins.
The remaining 90,000 available for the June 13 sales launch were sold within five hours.
Overloaded system
According to U.S. Mint official comments released July 1 through the Mint’s Office of Public Affairs, “As with other anticipated high demand product launches, the United States Mint (Mint) implemented household order limits and utilized a waiting room to manage access to the online catalog for the American Eagle Silver Dollar with Army Privy Mark (25APM) launch.
“Almost immediately, we became aware of concerns regarding the wait times customers in the waiting room were receiving, with some customers initially receiving estimates of 8 hours to ‘more than a day.’ We also encountered issues with payment processing, which were exacerbated by bots and people trying to avoid the household order limits.
“For the payment processing issues, the Mint is working with our providers to determine how to improve this process for future high demand product launches, which will be implemented as we are able. For the waiting room, the Mint is looking for ways we can improve this customer experience. The waiting room looks at current traffic trends when calculating wait times.
“When it initially opens, traffic has not yet started flowing to the online catalog, so it takes time to ‘learn’ how quickly the existing traffic (which was tens of thousands of customers on June 13) will flow. The high wait times were reported between approximately 11:45 a.m. and 12:15 p.m. Eastern Time.
“As incoming traffic slowed, and customers were admitted to the catalog the wait time calculations become more accurate. By 12:15 pm ET, wait times were 30 minutes or less for most customers.”
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Thank you for posting the article!
didn't the mint's opa "get it wrong" on a past issue that sold short? i can't name the issue, it escapes me
so, i'm wondering if all 100k sold initially
that pretty much matches up with the ast numbers
I was wondering why in this day and age so many orders are getting cancelled for payment issues. It seems like the credit card should either go through or it shouldn't at time of purchase except maybe in rare circumstances where a card gets account gets closed or credit limit exceeded in the time between purchase and posting.
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I had the more than a day message in the waiting room.
So did i, but it didn't last long and I don't think it really represents a major problem.
the major problem is that it scares off potential buyers
maybe kept some flippers from trying!
Why does coin world only report half the story? Why don’t they address the ~37,000 available last week, or why did the mint choose to keep the hhl of 1 in effect this time (for the first time in many years)? If on June 13th they all sold in less than 5 hours, how come I can buy one right now?
If it takes 25 days to post a story, at least gather facts as the time progresses. Gotta do better Paul Gilkes
BST references available on request
Payment issues were a tiny fraction of the ~40K coins that have been available for sale in the weeks after 6/13. Nor were waiting room issues. Not sure why they threw the kitchen sink into that article.
The vast majority were bots, and widespread apparent address jiggering. They are apparently serious about not letting people game this on a large scale, given how long they have now been on sale, and their apparent refusal to lift the HHL.
What's left could now disappear in 5 minutes if they lifted the HHL. And they have been available for sale for a week now, so anyone who wanted one had more than a fair opportunity. The Mint seems committed at this point to not allowing the gamers to get them, by not lifting the HHL and blocking them.
Maybe they lift the HHL tomorrow. Maybe not at all. Because, at the current pace of sales, they should be gone in a week or so even if the HHL is never lifted.
It's more about the author, than it is about CW imo? He has no credibility with me anymore, just me. I ignore him after reading his politically charged "opinion" pieces disguised as factual Mint news that came out a few months ago.
And yes, a day late and a dollar short, so to speak.
Except that time lasted for seconds to a minute before it recalculate. I doubt many were scared away. And since they are still available, it really is a non-problem.
You ASSUME.
Here you've got the Mint and Coin World but you have a better source?
You are conflating bots with "gamers" and "sneaker buyers" (in a previous post).
Yes. My common sense. ~40K credit cards didn't reject a $100 charge. Take it to the bank.
I'm not assuming anything. I know it for a stone cold fact, based on all the releases over all the years at all the various price points. You can sit in the dark. I KNOW. For a fact.
And, after Coin World's sterling work on the FH releases, I no longer consider it an authority on anything. It is nothing more than a publisher of Mint press releases. And lately, they release misinformation as often as they release accurate information.
Also, I'm not conflating anything. Gamers, bots, sneaker buyers, etc. Everyone is entitled to one. The issue this time around was not bots jamming up the website, since it was up and running, with people able to order for a solid 3.5 hours after 12:00 noon.
No, the issue this time was the Mint being serious about purging orders with jiggered addresses. They seemingly did not have a script for that, since it took them 3 weeks to release the coins. I'm calling jiggerers gamers. Because they are.
Within ten minutes of the release going live, a link was being shared among all the buying groups that allowed you to bypass the queue and checkout the coin, so it didn't have much of an effect. (ETA: the link was available before the release, but it didn't spread until the long wait times appeared. The Mint has since blocked this method of checking out.)
Smh...
how many times have we seen "more than a day" ? it wasn't on the FH releases
I even got "more than a day"
I think it is possible backend changes were made and we were the beta testers by force
the quote you quoted was an attempt at humor
what was the url?
Ditto, I'm sceptical.
i'm not skeptical so much, but curious
Sorry, it went over my head lol.
I'd rather not be the one to post it here. But if you click on it today, you see the following:
i suspect there is some browser and user specific info coded into the url once someone is "in"
though, did the forum have 40% payment processing failures
and though, did the forum have any processing failures
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They act like no other businesses ever get this many people wanting to order at the same time
. The large database providers can easily handle a surge like this. Amazon at peak sales does 110 orders per second. They would sell 100,000 coins at one per household in 15 minutes or less. They have no waiting room.
My numbers show that the mint only did 8 orders per second over 3 1/2 hours.
Amazon does 110 per second, and the mint does only 8, and they still crash.
From AI
"Modern database providers can easily handle a load of 110 orders per second with appropriate configuration and hardware. Major cloud database services such as Azure SQL Database offer scalable compute resources, allowing you to provision databases with sufficient performance for high-throughput transactional workloads. Even standard or business-critical tiers can be scaled up to handle thousands of transactions per second, far exceeding the 110 orders per second requirement."
I wish mint removed HHL altogether.
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they did upgrade their system!
Is it possible that the Mint went back retroactively and cancelled many of the orders that used "the automated workaround"?
Maybe that accounted for the thousands of available coins?
You were cutting the queue after all.
Meanwhile, on Day 1, I was able to get one using the dicey wi-fi and my iPhone in a Shop-Rite in New Jersey...so if you really wanted one....
Yes. Of course. But not because 40K people used the back door to go in and order one. But because far fewer scammers used address jiggering to order many.
i wondered about that too. though, i'd think if they could be identified after ordering, then couldn't they stop it during the ordering
Not if they weren't looking for it.
Contrary to what notNY says, they find 99% of these by running a script not by hand comparing them. However, they have to create and run the script so they have to know what they are looking for.
There is a world where I can imagine the Mint retroactively developing and running a script to weed out those who "jumped the queue"...
If for no other reason to use it for the next hot item...
So what was the buyer club site and url?
Yep, I haven't seen any evidence that they targeted line jumpers.
Sitting at 4632.
I like @NJCoin's idea.....raise the HHL to 2 and be done with it!
edited to add: make that 4631. 😉
I have no idea what is going on with these numbers, and I am not interested in trying to figure it out. But I am a little curious about how it will all end.
I wonder if they went to backorder while still supposedly having a few thousand available so they can scrutinize the latest batch of orders for HHL violators. 🤔
At this point, it looks like they are in no rush to do anything. Especially since they are apparently not yet ready to ship.
My guess would be that if any are left when they start shipping, that will be the time they lift the HHL and let us fight over them.
If things weren't confusing enough, now it pops up we are back to pre-orders.
Pre-Order
The expected in-stock date is Tue Jul 29 2025.
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