Tennis is still pretty Popular around the World. 5.1 Million people watched the womens french Open Final in France alone. I think the most watched WNBA game here in the States drew 3.2 Million.
@coolstanley said:
Tennis is still pretty Popular around the World. 5.1 Million people watched the womens french Open Final in France alone. I think the most watched WNBA game here in the States drew 3.2 Million.
Tennis and Soccer are way more popular than NFL worldwide but I believe more people can name NFL players than Tennis and Soccer players in the US
@coolstanley said:
Tennis is still pretty Popular around the World. 5.1 Million people watched the womens french Open Final in France alone. I think the most watched WNBA game here in the States drew 3.2 Million.
Tennis and Soccer are way more popular than NFL worldwide but I believe more people can name NFL players than Tennis and Soccer players in the US
I couldn't name two soccer players, but I think most everyone in the US has heard of Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer, Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, and Serena Williams.
It’s clear that Clark’s profile is being held down by the lack of popularity of the league. If she were playing in a league with established popularity, the sky would be the limit.
@coolstanley said:
Tennis is still pretty Popular around the World. 5.1 Million people watched the womens french Open Final in France alone. I think the most watched WNBA game here in the States drew 3.2 Million.
Tennis and Soccer are way more popular than NFL worldwide but I believe more people can name NFL players than Tennis and Soccer players in the US
I couldn't name two soccer players, but I think most everyone in the US has heard of Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer, Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, and Serena Williams.
Have to include Bijon Borg,Ile Nastase,Pete Sampras,Arthur Ashe.
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Caitlin Clark Is Fourth Most Popular Athlete In America According To ESPN Data
Right now Caitlan Clark is the current "flavor of the month" in the sports world. She gained her popularity because of the media and she'll lose it just as quickly when they stop covering her. It's nothing new. Her shelf life is probably four years dating from her senior year in the NCAA when she set the scoring record. That gives her one season after this and the novelty of her will start to fade.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said: Caitlin Clark Is Fourth Most Popular Athlete In America According To ESPN Data
Right now Caitlan Clark is the current "flavor of the month" in the sports world. She gained her popularity because of the media and she'll lose it just as quickly when they stop covering her. It's nothing new. Her shelf life is probably four years dating from her senior year in the NCAA when she set the scoring record. That gives her one season after this and the novelty of her will start to fade.
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We’ll see. I see her almost like a Taylor Swift, where there’s a large group of people who may love her play, but also just love her. I don’t think that will change.
The WNBA is much more watchable now than 20 or so years ago, and there are players other than CC that can ball, especially on the better teams. However, I recently watched a Dallas game to see Paige Bueckers and it was painful to watch the missed layups and brick jumpers from her teammates (poor Paige) - the crummier teams have a lot more room for improvement in quality of play.
@perkdog said:
Angel Reese should now realize that she is not the face of the WNBA and shut her mouth
Her stats don’t back up her mouth either.
AND . . . . Then in her next game she becomes the second youngest in WNBA history to post a triple double 😆😆
A lot easier to get those when youre basically assured double digit rebounds off your own missed layups lol. The fact it took her that long to do it pretty much says everything.
Did the WNBA Finally Kill Its Golden Goose? After a Year-and-a-Half of Public Beatings in a League Full of Women Who Despise Her, Caitlin Clark May Be Finished
"Caitlin, the greatest shooter in women’s basketball history, is now 1 of 23 in 3-point shots in her last three games.
That’s a 4% completion rate! What happened?
She has NEVER suffered such a slump.
Maybe all of the abuse, bad calls, crappy coaching, and vicious assaults have finally taken Caitlin down."
This league is so amateurish on every level. The coach seems clueless about her injury status. I believe she has had this injury for awhile. She was left in their last game with the game decided and 45 seconds left, which is when she reaggravated it. Clown show.
Understanding the differences, but this situation reminds me a bit of Jackie Robinson when he broke the color barrier in MLB. Fortunately, that extreme wrong was finally righted. But Robinson suffered a lot of abuse for awhile when entering the league.
This situation with Caitlin is without question about skin color, and we all know it. The WNBA better put the hammer down on the hater players, or the league is going to lose the best thing by far that ever happened to them.
I may be wrong, but in my opinion that 1 for 23 with 3's may be telling. At least for right now, Caitlin has lost focus about this league. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she decides to retire in the off season. Get married, decide to have children, etc. She already has plenty of money earned from endorsements, and could live happily ever after.
I wish her the best however it turns out, and whatever she decides.
@perkdog said:
If you watch some YouTube highlights you will see that this girl. legitimately gets assaulted a lot.
And it's way more than your welcome to the league type of thing
And the refs allow it, then the league conducts investigations against her team. The WNBA shoots themselves in the foot so many times that at this point theyre shooting themselves in the hip because theres nothing left lol
@perkdog said:
If you watch some YouTube highlights you will see that this girl. legitimately gets assaulted a lot.
And it's way more than your welcome to the league type of thing
And the refs allow it, then the league conducts investigations against her team. The WNBA shoots themselves in the foot so many times that at this point theyre shooting themselves in the hip because theres nothing left lol
But maybe now that Sophie showed Caitlin has some backup maybe things will change a bit. Soon watching the WNBA will be like watching NASCAR for the wrecks or Hockey for the fights!
Something to think about: are there really a lot more fights since Clark came into the WNBA or has her presence drawn attention to the league which has caused all the fans trying to be talked about?? It seems to me that when any high profile personality enters sports they get tested till they “stand up” and silence everyone. Has Clark ever fought back or stood up for herself??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Something to think about: are there really a lot more fights since Clark came into the WNBA or has her presence drawn attention to the league which has caused all the fans trying to be talked about?? It seems to me that when any high profile personality enters sports they get tested till they “stand up” and silence everyone. Has Clark ever fought back or stood up for herself??
Rookies in any professional sport except boxing, etc, should be tested for their sports ability, not their fighting ability.
Caitlin is wise to not be goaded into fights. Serious injury could occur, and it might be a career ending injury depending on the severity.
Even if she wasn't on the receiving end of say a punch to the face. Throwing a punch which is a muscle movement that she likely doesn't practice, could result in a rotator cuff tear which might jeopardize her career.
@perkdog said:
If you watch some YouTube highlights you will see that this girl. legitimately gets assaulted a lot.
And it's way more than your welcome to the league type of thing
And the refs allow it, then the league conducts investigations against her team. The WNBA shoots themselves in the foot so many times that at this point theyre shooting themselves in the hip because theres nothing left lol
It's crazy what they all to go on, it's brutal
A couple heavy fines on players or the NBA not owning a bunch of the league financing it would probably stop this pretty quick. Maybe just sign Paige VanZant for a week or two lol
@Maywood said:
Not standing up for teammates is also a bad thing.
Caitlin is standing up for her team by helping to win basketball games. Not getting into fights, possibly getting injured, and then the team suffers as a result. I'd have to believe that every single one of her teammates agrees with this.
In all sports, whenever there is some sort of "fight" or whatever you want to term it players are expected to defend their teammates. That's why you see the bullpens empty in MLB, and why you see NFL players run to the pack when something breaks out. Athletes are like Fireman and other First Responders, they run towards the trouble, not away from it. If there's a fight or scuffle on the court and Clark doesn't help her teammates she won't last long and she'll be labeled a coward.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
In all sports, whenever there is some sort of "fight" or whatever you want to term it players are expected to defend their teammates. That's why you see the bullpens empty in MLB, and why you see NFL players run to the pack when something breaks out. Athletes are like Fireman and other First Responders, they run towards the trouble, not away from it. If there's a fight or scuffle on the court and Clark doesn't help her teammates she won't last long and she'll be labeled a coward.
Equating athletes with firemen and first responders is one of the most bizarre analogies I've ever seen. It's hilarious, but thanks for the good laugh.
Your other comments are poorly thought out. Do you ever see quarterbacks in those scuffles? No. Do you ever see super-star baseball players, especially pitchers in those scuffles? Very rarely, and they are usually not in the forefront of it.
As you should know if you follow MLB, usually when a batter attacks a pitcher after being hit with a pitch, the catcher runs out and gets in front of the attacker to protect the pitcher. The catcher knows this is good business as these athletes are there to earn a living. The catcher and the rest of the team doesn't want a star pitcher to get hurt over a silly fight. It could cost them some serious money, perhaps missing the playoffs, etc.
@Basebal21 said:
Bullpens coming in is largely for show. They slow jog and rarely get engaged. In the case of Clark shes almost always the target of the start of it
Unlike Maywood who seems to retain a school yard and play ground mentality to his reasoning. You understand the situation.
@stevek said:
Rookies in any professional sport except boxing, etc, should be tested for their sports ability, not their fighting ability.
Well she's not a rookie anymore - but do you think this getting poked in the eye and then blind sidedley pushed to the floor is "being tested" ???? And your you're worried about Caitlin getting injured from fighting back (which she hasn't done yet) but not worried about loss of an eye or fractured bones when pushed to the hardwood? The refs are the ones that need to step up!
@stevek said:
Rookies in any professional sport except boxing, etc, should be tested for their sports ability, not their fighting ability.
Well she's not a rookie anymore - but do you think this getting poked in the eye and then blind sidedley pushed to the floor is "being tested" ???? And your you're worried about Caitlin getting injured from fighting back (which she hasn't done yet) but not worried about loss of an eye or fractured bones when pushed to the hardwood? The refs are the ones that need to step up!
That's sound reasoning on your part. Get in a fight, then possibly get poked in the other eye. Like a two-fer deal. LOL
You refuted your own premise with "The refs are the ones that need to step up!" Now you're making sense.
Caitlin is too smart to get involved in a fight for any reason. But for those who desire seeing women fighting, sometimes known as a catfight, go watch women's mud wrestling. Maybe then you will be thoroughly entertained.
As far as fighting in major team sports go no team wants their superstar in the fight even in the NHL where fighting is kind of legal. There was a time Crosby was getting targeting (not to the extent of Clark) and his teammates would step up and do the fights. Tatis got drilled by the Dodgers the teammates came out.
Clark is basically the Jordan/Lebron of the WNBA in terms of value. The last thing the team would want to see is her getting into fights. Its really the role of the average players to protect the superstars
@Basebal21 said:
As far as fighting in major team sports go no team wants their superstar in the fight even in the NHL where fighting is kind of legal. There was a time Crosby was getting targeting (not to the extent of Clark) and his teammates would step up and do the fights. Tatis got drilled by the Dodgers the teammates came out.
Clark is basically the Jordan/Lebron of the WNBA in terms of value. The last thing the team would want to see is her getting into fights. Its really the role of the average players to protect the superstars
Speaking of hockey and speaking of Clark. I recall NHL hall of famer Bobby Clarke was the same way. The Flyers two-time championship team was nicknamed the Broad Street Bullies. They didn't get that nickname from backing down from fights. But Clarke then, like Clark now, are too smart to get into fights and possibly get stupidly hurt. The Flyers team was smart to protect their star player, and Clarke was smart not to engage in fights.
BTW - Bobby Clarke is one of the most beloved players in sports history in the Philly area. Philly fans clearly understood why superstar players shouldn't risk injury getting involved in silly fights. Nobody ever called Bobby Clarke soft. He was tough as nails when it mattered, when he was on the ice scoring goals.
@stevek said:
Speaking of hockey and speaking of Clark. I recall NHL hall of famer Bobby Clarke was the same way. The Flyers two-time championship team was nicknamed the Broad Street Bullies. They didn't get that nickname from backing down from fights. But Clarke then, like Clark now, are too smart to get into fights and possibly get stupidly hurt.
Clarke was in 36 fights in his career. He wasn't exactly Dave Schultz but he also wasn't exactly Nick Lidstrom.
@stevek said:
Speaking of hockey and speaking of Clark. I recall NHL hall of famer Bobby Clarke was the same way. The Flyers two-time championship team was nicknamed the Broad Street Bullies. They didn't get that nickname from backing down from fights. But Clarke then, like Clark now, are too smart to get into fights and possibly get stupidly hurt.
Clarke was in 36 fights in his career. He wasn't exactly Dave Schultz but he also wasn't exactly Nick Lidstrom.
Opposing teams used to try goading Clarke into fights all the time. Probably around 36 times. LOL
Nothing better than having a superstar on your team that can take care of business. Too many whiners now a days worried about getting hurt. At least "Hammy" had a great call of the action!
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Tennis is still pretty Popular around the World. 5.1 Million people watched the womens french Open Final in France alone. I think the most watched WNBA game here in the States drew 3.2 Million.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
To summarize:
Someone please start a “Hot Chicks In Sports” thread. HURRY!!!
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Tennis and Soccer are way more popular than NFL worldwide but I believe more people can name NFL players than Tennis and Soccer players in the US
I couldn't name two soccer players, but I think most everyone in the US has heard of Jimmy Connors, John McEnroe, Andre Agassi, Roger Federer, Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, and Serena Williams.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
“Caitlin Clark Is Fourth Most Popular Athlete In America According To ESPN Data”
https://www.outkick.com/sports/caitlin-clark-popularity-espn
It’s clear that Clark’s profile is being held down by the lack of popularity of the league. If she were playing in a league with established popularity, the sky would be the limit.
I had never heard of Coco Gauff either until this thread.
I no longer watch or follow tennis. However when I did, I found the women's game more interesting to watch because of the longer rallies.
Have to include Bijon Borg,Ile Nastase,Pete Sampras,Arthur Ashe.
Caitlin Clark Is Fourth Most Popular Athlete In America According To ESPN Data
Right now Caitlan Clark is the current "flavor of the month" in the sports world. She gained her popularity because of the media and she'll lose it just as quickly when they stop covering her. It's nothing new. Her shelf life is probably four years dating from her senior year in the NCAA when she set the scoring record. That gives her one season after this and the novelty of her will start to fade.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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We’ll see. I see her almost like a Taylor Swift, where there’s a large group of people who may love her play, but also just love her. I don’t think that will change.
Her stats don’t back up her mouth either.
The WNBA is much more watchable now than 20 or so years ago, and there are players other than CC that can ball, especially on the better teams. However, I recently watched a Dallas game to see Paige Bueckers and it was painful to watch the missed layups and brick jumpers from her teammates (poor Paige) - the crummier teams have a lot more room for improvement in quality of play.
AND . . . . Then in her next game she becomes the second youngest in WNBA history to post a triple double 😆😆
A lot easier to get those when youre basically assured double digit rebounds off your own missed layups lol. The fact it took her that long to do it pretty much says everything.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/did-wnba-finally-kill-their-golden-goose-after/
Did the WNBA Finally Kill Its Golden Goose? After a Year-and-a-Half of Public Beatings in a League Full of Women Who Despise Her, Caitlin Clark May Be Finished
"Caitlin, the greatest shooter in women’s basketball history, is now 1 of 23 in 3-point shots in her last three games.
That’s a 4% completion rate! What happened?
She has NEVER suffered such a slump.
Maybe all of the abuse, bad calls, crappy coaching, and vicious assaults have finally taken Caitlin down."
If Caitlin quits, I'd sure hate to have a lot of money invested in her nosebleed price basketball cards.
Caitlin Clark is injured again with return timeline uncertain https://share.google/sGSK3roQ3E1eEyC3t
Looks like she is injured
Geez, I hadn't heard that.
It's so sad what this league is doing to her.
This league is so amateurish on every level. The coach seems clueless about her injury status. I believe she has had this injury for awhile. She was left in their last game with the game decided and 45 seconds left, which is when she reaggravated it. Clown show.
If you watch some YouTube highlights you will see that this girl. legitimately gets assaulted a lot.
And it's way more than your welcome to the league type of thing
She's hurt again with a groin strain - day to day but not playing Thursday night.
She seems to have a bull's-eye on her back.
Her agents should maybe look to see if there is any chance anyway to sue the league. If not at least ruffle some feathers.
Understanding the differences, but this situation reminds me a bit of Jackie Robinson when he broke the color barrier in MLB. Fortunately, that extreme wrong was finally righted. But Robinson suffered a lot of abuse for awhile when entering the league.
This situation with Caitlin is without question about skin color, and we all know it. The WNBA better put the hammer down on the hater players, or the league is going to lose the best thing by far that ever happened to them.
I may be wrong, but in my opinion that 1 for 23 with 3's may be telling. At least for right now, Caitlin has lost focus about this league. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she decides to retire in the off season. Get married, decide to have children, etc. She already has plenty of money earned from endorsements, and could live happily ever after.
I wish her the best however it turns out, and whatever she decides.
And the refs allow it, then the league conducts investigations against her team. The WNBA shoots themselves in the foot so many times that at this point theyre shooting themselves in the hip because theres nothing left lol
It's crazy what they all to go on, it's brutal
But maybe now that Sophie showed Caitlin has some backup maybe things will change a bit. Soon watching the WNBA will be like watching NASCAR for the wrecks or Hockey for the fights!
From 1:07 to 1:10 security seems to be handling it well.
Something to think about: are there really a lot more fights since Clark came into the WNBA or has her presence drawn attention to the league which has caused all the fans trying to be talked about?? It seems to me that when any high profile personality enters sports they get tested till they “stand up” and silence everyone. Has Clark ever fought back or stood up for herself??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Rookies in any professional sport except boxing, etc, should be tested for their sports ability, not their fighting ability.
Caitlin is wise to not be goaded into fights. Serious injury could occur, and it might be a career ending injury depending on the severity.
Even if she wasn't on the receiving end of say a punch to the face. Throwing a punch which is a muscle movement that she likely doesn't practice, could result in a rotator cuff tear which might jeopardize her career.
A couple heavy fines on players or the NBA not owning a bunch of the league financing it would probably stop this pretty quick. Maybe just sign Paige VanZant for a week or two lol
Not standing up for teammates is also a bad thing.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Caitlin is standing up for her team by helping to win basketball games. Not getting into fights, possibly getting injured, and then the team suffers as a result. I'd have to believe that every single one of her teammates agrees with this.
We disagree, as usual.
In all sports, whenever there is some sort of "fight" or whatever you want to term it players are expected to defend their teammates. That's why you see the bullpens empty in MLB, and why you see NFL players run to the pack when something breaks out. Athletes are like Fireman and other First Responders, they run towards the trouble, not away from it. If there's a fight or scuffle on the court and Clark doesn't help her teammates she won't last long and she'll be labeled a coward.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Bullpens coming in is largely for show. They slow jog and rarely get engaged. In the case of Clark shes almost always the target of the start of it
Equating athletes with firemen and first responders is one of the most bizarre analogies I've ever seen. It's hilarious, but thanks for the good laugh.
Your other comments are poorly thought out. Do you ever see quarterbacks in those scuffles? No. Do you ever see super-star baseball players, especially pitchers in those scuffles? Very rarely, and they are usually not in the forefront of it.
As you should know if you follow MLB, usually when a batter attacks a pitcher after being hit with a pitch, the catcher runs out and gets in front of the attacker to protect the pitcher. The catcher knows this is good business as these athletes are there to earn a living. The catcher and the rest of the team doesn't want a star pitcher to get hurt over a silly fight. It could cost them some serious money, perhaps missing the playoffs, etc.
Unlike Maywood who seems to retain a school yard and play ground mentality to his reasoning. You understand the situation.
Well she's not a rookie anymore - but do you think this getting poked in the eye and then blind sidedley pushed to the floor is "being tested" ???? And your you're worried about Caitlin getting injured from fighting back (which she hasn't done yet) but not worried about loss of an eye or fractured bones when pushed to the hardwood? The refs are the ones that need to step up!
That's sound reasoning on your part. Get in a fight, then possibly get poked in the other eye. Like a two-fer deal. LOL
You refuted your own premise with "The refs are the ones that need to step up!" Now you're making sense.
Caitlin is too smart to get involved in a fight for any reason. But for those who desire seeing women fighting, sometimes known as a catfight, go watch women's mud wrestling. Maybe then you will be thoroughly entertained.
Once you get labeled as a soft teammate, it's something that you'll likely have to live with your whole career. Just ask ol' Trouty.
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Ask Rudy Tomjanovich how wise it is to get into a basketball fight.
@stevek
go watch women's mud wrestling. Maybe then you will be thoroughly entertained.
That's what Sheena Bathory is for................
Never saw that before. Almost too stupid to believe, and dreadfully boring.
Anyone paying to watch that, has no life beyond belief. LOL
As far as fighting in major team sports go no team wants their superstar in the fight even in the NHL where fighting is kind of legal. There was a time Crosby was getting targeting (not to the extent of Clark) and his teammates would step up and do the fights. Tatis got drilled by the Dodgers the teammates came out.
Clark is basically the Jordan/Lebron of the WNBA in terms of value. The last thing the team would want to see is her getting into fights. Its really the role of the average players to protect the superstars
Speaking of hockey and speaking of Clark. I recall NHL hall of famer Bobby Clarke was the same way. The Flyers two-time championship team was nicknamed the Broad Street Bullies. They didn't get that nickname from backing down from fights. But Clarke then, like Clark now, are too smart to get into fights and possibly get stupidly hurt. The Flyers team was smart to protect their star player, and Clarke was smart not to engage in fights.
BTW - Bobby Clarke is one of the most beloved players in sports history in the Philly area. Philly fans clearly understood why superstar players shouldn't risk injury getting involved in silly fights. Nobody ever called Bobby Clarke soft. He was tough as nails when it mattered, when he was on the ice scoring goals.
Wonder what the response will be when Cooper Flagg hits the hardwood in the NBA. Clark 2.0.
Clarke was in 36 fights in his career. He wasn't exactly Dave Schultz but he also wasn't exactly Nick Lidstrom.
Opposing teams used to try goading Clarke into fights all the time. Probably around 36 times. LOL
You may be right.
But i don't think it will be anywhere close to the jealousy now shown towards Caitlin.
Nothing better than having a superstar on your team that can take care of business. Too many whiners now a days worried about getting hurt. At least "Hammy" had a great call of the action!