Final comment: "However, if you were very selective, I could see you having some success with this strategy.”
Ha freekin ha.
What's funny is that the technique has been used successfully for many years by people who were never consulted for or mentioned in the NY Times story. Sports Card people. Modern collectors of Pokemon don't speak for vintage sports collectors. It's a totally different world. They might be shocked to find out what the crackouts of yesteryear have done for Sports Card people who wisely got grades bumped up for their pot o' gold.
I was eager to read the story when I saw the title. Then I read it. Ugh.
Do they really think we're dumb enough to believe people getting high bump success rates on crack and resub are rigging the game by swapping out the card and pretending they didn't? We all know how consistent, or lack thereof, grading is these days.
Robin Yount has to have been the luckiest card in the set. 680 PSA 9s. Even I have one I self-submitted plus a raw one that would definitely have a shot at a 9. Amazing how some cards have such chronic issues and others are pristine from the get go.
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Trammel and Whitaker come to mind immediately. It's rare for star teammates in the free agent era to start and finish with the same team.
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Trammel and Whitaker come to mind immediately. It's rare for star teammates in the free agent era to start and finish with the same team.
Maybe Bagwell and Biggio, if you overlook the fact that Bagwell was traded while still in the minors?
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Brett and Yount weren’t teammates, so I’m not sure I’m following what you’re asking when you say “duo”… Gwynn, Jeter, Clemente, Ripken Jr, and others all had 3K hits while playing for only 1 team in their careers… Maybe Gwynn and Ripken qualify as your duo since they overlapped for almost their entire careers?
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Trammel and Whitaker come to mind immediately. It's rare for star teammates in the free agent era to start and finish with the same team.
Jeter, Posada and Riveria all 3 played their first MLB game in 1995. 2 HOF's and star catcher with a Solid life time WAR.
I bold-ed Mariano as he ranks in my top 3 favorite players I ever personally saw play live.
We could have also included Pettitie as his first MLB game was also in 1995 but thanks to that deebag Clemens, Andy had a 3 year sojourn in Houston.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Brett and Yount weren’t teammates, so I’m not sure I’m following what you’re asking when you say “duo”… Gwynn, Jeter, Clemente, Ripken Jr, and others all had 3K hits while playing for only 1 team in their careers… Maybe Gwynn and Ripken qualify as your duo since they overlapped for almost their entire careers?
I think what he meant was 2 guys who stayed with the same team their entire careers, linked by their emergence as stars in the A.L. at the same time. Their teams played each other regularly as well while Milwaukee was still an A.L. team. I agree that they were both dynamic players who totally changed the direction of their respective teams success for many years.
It was 20+ years earlier, but two guys named Kaline And Banks fit the description.
And I was going to mention Clemente and Killebrew but I just learned that Killebrew had 312 ABs for the Royals in 1975, which embarrasses me because I thought I could name every AL teams’ 1975 25 man roster by heart due to listening to every pitch of the 1975 Tiger games and of course spending 4 hours a day with my 75 minis. 🤷♂️
Mike Schmidt and Dewey Evans were awfully close. both rookie cards in 73. Many think Dewey should/could be a HOFer. if he just had not played that one season in Baltimore...
We could have also included Pettitie as his first MLB game was also in 1995 but thanks to that deebag Clemens, Andy had a 3 year sojourn in Houston.
If Pettitte stayed a Yankee his whole career, he would be the all time winningest Yankee pitcher. Whitey Ford leads with 236 wins. Pettitte had 256 in his career but that includes 3 years and 37 wins with Houston.
Nobody on this list was represented by Scott Boras. He's become a game changer in the sport (Not in a good way unless you are one of the half dozen owners willing to maintain a $250M payroll).
@1all said:
Nobody on this list was represented by Scott Boras. He's become a game changer in the sport (Not in a good way unless you are one of the half dozen owners willing to maintain a $250M payroll).
Yep. He's managed to staff the player representatives in the collective bargaining negotiations to ensure MLB never gets a salary cap. He only cares about the top 5% of the payroll and is willing to have younger players getting less than they could with a more competitively balanced league.
As do they all. We're a complex group. I can imagine all of us attending a ballgame, it's around the top of the 8th, everyone else is drunk as funk and venting their thoughts. And I need to pee.....
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Maybe someone can buy these 9s and make a big experiment…
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6438036/2025/06/20/card-grading-values-psa/
Final comment: "However, if you were very selective, I could see you having some success with this strategy.”
Ha freekin ha.
What's funny is that the technique has been used successfully for many years by people who were never consulted for or mentioned in the NY Times story. Sports Card people. Modern collectors of Pokemon don't speak for vintage sports collectors. It's a totally different world. They might be shocked to find out what the crackouts of yesteryear have done for Sports Card people who wisely got grades bumped up for their pot o' gold.
I was eager to read the story when I saw the title. Then I read it. Ugh.
.
Do they really think we're dumb enough to believe people getting high bump success rates on crack and resub are rigging the game by swapping out the card and pretending they didn't? We all know how consistent, or lack thereof, grading is these days.
Robin Yount has to have been the luckiest card in the set. 680 PSA 9s. Even I have one I self-submitted plus a raw one that would definitely have a shot at a 9. Amazing how some cards have such chronic issues and others are pristine from the get go.
Dude enters MLB at age 19 and stays there his entire career for one team.
Question: is there another duo of two players for the same team that did what Brett & Yount did?
If so, how many beyond those two guys? I think both of their cards are under-valued.
BTW, this uniform looks too closely to the Vikings of the same time period. Not nearly as bad as the City uniforms employed by the Twins using Brewers colors. Twins ownership is beyond awful!
Erik
Trammel and Whitaker come to mind immediately. It's rare for star teammates in the free agent era to start and finish with the same team.
Maybe Bagwell and Biggio, if you overlook the fact that Bagwell was traded while still in the minors?
Brett and Yount weren’t teammates, so I’m not sure I’m following what you’re asking when you say “duo”… Gwynn, Jeter, Clemente, Ripken Jr, and others all had 3K hits while playing for only 1 team in their careers… Maybe Gwynn and Ripken qualify as your duo since they overlapped for almost their entire careers?
Jim
Jeter, Posada and Riveria all 3 played their first MLB game in 1995. 2 HOF's and star catcher with a Solid life time WAR.
I bold-ed Mariano as he ranks in my top 3 favorite players I ever personally saw play live.
We could have also included Pettitie as his first MLB game was also in 1995 but thanks to that deebag Clemens, Andy had a 3 year sojourn in Houston.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I think what he meant was 2 guys who stayed with the same team their entire careers, linked by their emergence as stars in the A.L. at the same time. Their teams played each other regularly as well while Milwaukee was still an A.L. team. I agree that they were both dynamic players who totally changed the direction of their respective teams success for many years.
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It was 20+ years earlier, but two guys named Kaline And Banks fit the description.
And I was going to mention Clemente and Killebrew but I just learned that Killebrew had 312 ABs for the Royals in 1975, which embarrasses me because I thought I could name every AL teams’ 1975 25 man roster by heart due to listening to every pitch of the 1975 Tiger games and of course spending 4 hours a day with my 75 minis. 🤷♂️
I should have been clearer.
Yes, coming up at about the same time - same rookie card year and just one team - both entering HOF.
Agree that Trammell & Whitaker are a good comparison but only one is a HOF (so far).
Erik
Mike Schmidt and Dewey Evans were awfully close. both rookie cards in 73. Many think Dewey should/could be a HOFer. if he just had not played that one season in Baltimore...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1960 had Yaz & McCovey but Willie veered off to San Diego & a brief stint in Oakland (which I don't remember).
1983 had Sandberg & Gwynn but Ryne played a few games for the Phillies - that's about as close as I've come up with...
Erik
If Pettitte stayed a Yankee his whole career, he would be the all time winningest Yankee pitcher. Whitey Ford leads with 236 wins. Pettitte had 256 in his career but that includes 3 years and 37 wins with Houston.
Nobody on this list was represented by Scott Boras. He's become a game changer in the sport (Not in a good way unless you are one of the half dozen owners willing to maintain a $250M payroll).
Hopefully Jose Ramirez stays with the Tribe forever...he's a hall of famer in waiting...
Yep. He's managed to staff the player representatives in the collective bargaining negotiations to ensure MLB never gets a salary cap. He only cares about the top 5% of the payroll and is willing to have younger players getting less than they could with a more competitively balanced league.
welp this thread has gone off the rails
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
As do they all. We're a complex group. I can imagine all of us attending a ballgame, it's around the top of the 8th, everyone else is drunk as funk and venting their thoughts. And I need to pee.....
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not baseball, but 1984 had Elway and Marino. both had very long (for football) careers and with one team
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Now you got me thinking What if. Marino in a Lions helmet and Elway in a Cardinals helmet.
I think we could say for certain that Marino would still have zero Super Bowl wins. Oh, and his rookie card in PSA 10 would sell for $19.99 😭
In Hockey you have Crosby and Ovechkin. Both 2005, both HOFers and both only played for 1 team.
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Bird and Magic in Basketball
Votto and Kershaw both began their careers in 2007 and played with only one team, despite Votto having a Blue Jays card.