What will this IHC grade at our host?
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It's a DDR that I included in a recent sub. I'm torn between 2 different grades. What say you?
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counterfeit!
not going to be tricked again!
Cleaned.
bob
55
Genuine, AU50.
45
XF40
Dave
AU55
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Hard to tell from these photos how much luster (if any) is left on the coin. I’m straddling the 45/50 fence.
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TBD
AU53.
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I'll bite at 53 but there looks to be a green tinge of sulfurous oxidation as they used to say. Might be able to lightly conserve that surface by the right source.
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45
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AU50
AU50 but not worth submitting.
XF details.
Beg to differ!!! It's a DDR, FS-801 variety in AU+. A darn scarce variety!
Might body bag, but I can’t really tell from the photo so I guess that’s a good sign 🤷🏻♂️. There’s something slightly off about it, but it does have a very wholesome look. I’m also in the 50-55 range if it straight grades
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The OP is correct in submitting as it’s a quasi major variety (S-1; 3*). However, it’s “rev-centric” & that’s less popular than obv ones.
Hard to tell about the grade, though. I would like to put it in the AU50 area, but there’s something that appears off surface-wise. Would like to see this one in hand; I’ll be as positive as I can & say straight grade XF45.
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I would be in the AU camp Not 58 but maybe better than 50
This forum is really tight on copper, I think people should check out photograde for the 45-58 range and compare to this coin. This is a choice AU coin in terms of wear. My vote is 55.
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I'm sorry to say the surfaces look funky to me from those photos.... Altered surfaces. Now perhaps the coin in hand looks different..
On my screen the coin has this surreal look that makes offering an opinion more of a challenge. Clearly an interesting coin and worthy of submission consideration. I would need to see this one in hand to offer an opinion that I truly believe in. Good luck with the results.
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My photo skills are horrible! I wish I could capture the real look of all my coins! The lighting is to bright as I use my Wife's make-up mirror for a light source!! The coin is a beautiful, original, mellowed medium caramel color as an original AU IHC should appear in my opinion. I appreciate the varied opinions as it is amazing how people grade and interpret a coin picture! I am stuck between a 53 and 55. I will be sure to post my results when they come in.
The sharpnesss grade is like an AU-50, but I don't like the looks of it. It's either been cleaned and recolored with loss of detail, or it has questionable authenticity, In either case, it's not with the grading fee because it's a common date which readily availble.
Here's the raw one I bought for my "one a year cent set" from 1793 to date.
Straight-grade AU55 BN.
I need to start looking for that one!
I didn't notice the variety. How much would something like that bring if it were in a PCGS slab with the variety noted?
From the photo I see no luster at all, that eliminates any grade above XF45 in my opinion. I also think the surfaces look a bit "off", I personally would grade it as XF details.
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Personally, I think the photography is a bit off and not the coin.
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Let’s say it’s AU50. PG says $50 for no variety; $280 for the S-1. I think that’s a little optimistic - I would go $150-$175. In Snow’s guide, he states a 3* variety (like this one), is 3x-5x.
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I guess I'm out of the loop. Are there are large number of collectors who pay big premiums for Snow varieties that are not doubled dies?
@BillJones:
Hi Bill -
no straightforward answer but I’ll try. Variety hunters are more attracted to “doubling” & repunching on the obv. This one’s a DDR, so it’s not quite as popular, even to dedicated variety collectors.
But the 3* rating (rarity level), makes it more valuable, at least in theory. Snow’s rarity ratings go as high as 5*; he feels those are more than 10x of a non variety.
A 3* rating, according to Rick, is worth 3x - 5x.
For this coin @ AU50, the non variety is $50. That would make this one $150-$250 per his guide book.
Not everyone’s a variety collector; from some of our past pm’s, I don’t believe you are & that’s fine. It seems most collectors are like you in that regard.
Me - I’m a bit variety “crazy”, but not crazy enough to go up to the $280 in the PG.
Ken
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It may or may not help, but here’s mine:
On the obv, there’s a die line over the “A” to the “C” in AMERICA.
The rev is the “thing” on the S-1. Check the shield - there’s doubling on the outside of the shield & the vertical lines inside. There’s more (see the right leaves below):
There’s some of this on the left side too, but not so obvious (the cousin S-11 has strong left side doubling in the leaves).
Finally, here’s the slab:
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I had my variety phase over 30 years ago with half cents. I slammed into a big brick wall where there was no place to go with it. I knew who had the rarities, and figured they would not be selling for 20 years, which turned out to be a good guess. So my variety collecting days came to an end.
I'm less attracted to later 19th century varieties because the differences are so small. Varieties from the 1790s and early 1800s are often "naked eye." You can spot them right away with no 10x glass involved.
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No visible luster, but still AU53. 2 sold on ebay in pcgs and ngc AU53 holders Both just over $300. Both had better luster.
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