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ajaanajaan Posts: 17,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2025 10:03AM

    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All info from holder listed, I would say yes. If you disagree with the holder, that would be a different issue. JMO
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I consider myself to be the (current) world authority on 1922 Cents, and from those pictures I can't even be sure that the date is 1922.

    THe reverse is not the Strong Reverse.

    TD

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  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:
    accurately described?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/126011922538

    The reverse is weak. Even in that grade the wheat ears should have more detail. And, like the OP, I can't discern the grade either.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,185 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For me I'll pass. I'm not comfortable with what I'm seeing, just me saying

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I consider myself to be the (current) world authority on 1922 Cents, and from those pictures I can't even be sure that the date is 1922.

    THe reverse is not the Strong Reverse.

    TD

    Thanks. That's why I asked.


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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    What is stated on the label isn't always correct.


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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    What is stated on the label isn't always correct.

    That's not an issue of if the coin is accurately described. That's an ICG issue. The seller is doing absolutely nothing wrong here IMO.

    I think of it this way - if the seller can disagree with ICG here, is it ok for other sellers to disagree when PCGS calls their normal 1922-D cent normal, and then lists it as a top pop no D cent?

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I consider myself to be the (current) world authority on 1922 Cents, and from those pictures I can't even be sure that the date is 1922.

    THe reverse is not the Strong Reverse.

    TD

    Did not look like it to me either. Looks like ICG messed up here.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,071 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My first reaction to the obverse image is "1923".

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    Al, correctly copying the seriously wrong description of a coin is not accurately describing it.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    Al, correctly copying the seriously wrong description of a coin is not accurately describing it.

    I'm afraid we might have to agree to disagree in this context.

    For the rest of us though, would you mind posting what makes you think it's incorrectly graded?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    Al, correctly copying the seriously wrong description of a coin is not accurately describing it.

    I'm afraid we might have to agree to disagree in this context.

    For the rest of us though, would you mind posting what makes you think it's incorrectly graded?

    I challenge the “1922 No D” description.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Yes, absolutely. Description states: "1922 NO D LINCOLN WHEAT PENNY SMALL CENT 1C ICG GOOD G
    DETAILS: STRONG REVERSE & SCRATCHED"

    The images are perfectly clear it's details as well.

    Al, correctly copying the seriously wrong description of a coin is not accurately describing it.

    I'm afraid we might have to agree to disagree in this context.

    For the rest of us though, would you mind posting what makes you think it's incorrectly graded?

    I challenge the “1922 No D” description.

    Right, I get that. I was more wondering what on the coin led you to that conclusion.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I literally cannot tell if that date reads 1922 or 1923. Back when I was grading this was an automatic “No Decision.”
    And, FWIW, the left rim resembles no known 1922 “No D.”

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a G-4 reverse according to PCGS

    Pete

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a PCGS G-4 Obverse

    Pete

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  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 799 ✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway, any updates on your new book on the 1922 cents?

    Mark
  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I literally cannot tell if that date reads 1922 or 1923. Back when I was grading this was an automatic “No Decision.”
    And, FWIW, the left rim resembles no known 1922 “No D.”

    Thanks!

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Right or wrong, PCGS along with the other services grade the 1922 Weak D and the 1922 No mintmark a bit more loosely than the other dated Lincoln cents of the era.

    peacockcoins

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MJPHELAN said:
    @CaptHenway, any updates on your new book on the 1922 cents?

    The publishers have anything. I hope they are doing layout.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ambro51 said:

    I'll betcha it is a 1923. It sure looks like it from the shape of the last numeral.

    Pete

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    This is a PCGS G-4 Obverse

    Pete

    You can’t a 1922 Plain with the standards used for a 1929 cent. The 1922 Plain was produced with die that had two feet in a grave. The coin was “struck in VF.” A Good not lot look like much.

    Having said that, this coin would be a hard pass for me if I saw in person. Given the poor quality of the Internet pictures, it’s an ever harder pass on-line.

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  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 799 ✭✭✭


    Comparison of this coin to 1923. Not sure it is a three (not saying its a no D either...)

    Mark

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