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And another "eBay Don't Care" new "Morgan" Morgan fake PCGS...

burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 3, 2025 6:11AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Brisk bidding, I notified the seller but I guess he just didn't believe me.


He actually added better images:

Cert has TruView images:

So I reported it twice and was dismissed by the Bay both times. Once by the (secret) customer service agent, once by the BayBots:



I'm in the running for it; let the games begin...

Best, Jack.

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  • Aspie_RoccoAspie_Rocco Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If a bidder wins a coin like this, then files a snad, do they just end up with a free counterfeit?

    https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It isn't even a very good counterfeit.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • heavymetalheavymetal Posts: 628 ✭✭✭✭

    I reported and included a portion of the illustrative photo from this thread. We'll see what happens. This is a cancer for the hobby.

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @heavymetal said:
    I reported and included a portion of the illustrative photo from this thread. We'll see what happens. This is a cancer for the hobby.

    Ditto, except I focused on the lack of NFC symbol and PCGS logo on the plastic holder.

    AI determined the listing was A-OK.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 3, 2025 2:07PM

    I contacted the seller:
    "It is a fake, take it down. You are a fraud"

    "This is the condition that I bought it and I have not tampered with it!"

    "You are selling a counterfeit coin in a counterfeit holder.
    PCGS never has 4 prongs that hold the coin, only 3(1st pic).
    The holder should have small logos at the bottom left & right(1st pic).
    Everything about that item is a fraud and you know it. Take it down.
    Look at the real coin that you're trying to sell(2nd pic). The fake that you have for sale doesn't even come close. Do the right thing."
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    Then he added this to his listing 5 minutes later!! ⇊
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    .

    I tried. He's passing his mistake on to someone else imo.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,763 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rc5280 said:
    I contacted the seller:
    "It is a fake, take it down. You are a fraud"

    …

    Sorry, but that’s a very poor way to start off with someone you don’t know. Regardless of whether the seller already knew he was selling a counterfeit, that’s not how to get a stranger to listen to what you have to say.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭

    Agree, next time it'll be different at the beginning.

    If he does not take the listing down after seeing my info, and the sale goes through, I would have no problem accusing him of being a fraud, again.

  • CregCreg Posts: 816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I ain’t sharp. I can’t buy scarcer coins in PCGS holders. I hope that the fear does not spread.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is madness- bid over $1600...

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the buyer pays with a credit card and then does a chargeback after discovering it's a counterfeit, does eBay have to pay for the chargeback assuming the seller is long gone?

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • TxCollectorTxCollector Posts: 463 ✭✭✭✭

    @Rc5280 said:
    I contacted the seller:
    "It is a fake, take it down. You are a fraud"

    "This is the condition that I bought it and I have not tampered with it!"

    "You are selling a counterfeit coin in a counterfeit holder.
    PCGS never has 4 prongs that hold the coin, only 3(1st pic).
    The holder should have small logos at the bottom left & right(1st pic).
    Everything about that item is a fraud and you know it. Take it down.
    Look at the real coin that you're trying to sell(2nd pic). The fake that you have for sale doesn't even come close. Do the right thing."
    .

    .

    .

    Then he added this to his listing 5 minutes later!! ⇊
    .

    .

    I tried. He's passing his mistake on to someone else imo.

    For all we know it was never a mistake to begin with and the seller knew all along.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭

    Now look, $3264
    Ends this morning 6:55 am MT.
    Unreal as the coin & holder itself.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/286603646693

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ends in 5h 10m

    Current maintainer of Stone's Master List of Favorite Websites // My BST transactions
  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think my message to the seller might do the trick, I guess we’ll see.

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PeakRarities said:
    I think my message to the seller might do the trick, I guess we’ll see.

    I think not...

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2025 7:07AM

    Retracted. @burfle23 posted the results while I was typing.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:

    @PeakRarities said:
    I think my message to the seller might do the trick, I guess we’ll see.

    I think not...

    :#

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,540 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 ... completely agree with Greg. I've been in the hobby for a while and can usually sense when something feels "off"... that internal alarm that says, don’t buy this. But newer collectors don’t yet have that experience to rely on. To help bridge that gap, we’ve traditionally recommended they stick to coins certified by trusted third-party grading (TPG) services. I’ve made that recommendation countless times, and I follow it myself for issues that I'm less familiar with... like gold!

    Now, with counterfeit coins appearing in fake TPG holders (especially on platforms like eBay) that guidance is being undermined. It directly compromises the one piece of advice meant to protect newcomers.

    At this point, I’m genuinely unsure how to advise new numismatists who are just trying to learn the ropes... without paying thousands in “tuition” through costly mistakes.

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.

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