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NewP 1907 $20 Gold Saint
dizzlecc
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New pickup from the TNA Coin Show in Texas. Coin is fresh stock, from an older collection. Dealer got the coin earlier in the day and was able to leverage a good relationship with the dealer to buy the coin before it was added to inventory. The good was always nice to pick something fresh and be the first person. The bad no chance to negotiate price. Did not really go intending to buy gold but when an opportunity presents itself you take it. Traded a few better date morgan dollars for it.
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Very nice, luster looks well above average for an 07. MS 65?
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Don't like the marks under the elbo and mid section
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Nice coin. What grade did PCGS give it?
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It has a couple of deeper marks on the obverse, my guess would be MS-64. This one is graded MS-65.
A way nice coin over all 🪙
63+
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
The forum knows it's gold well. Coin is graded MS65 in an older PCGS gen 4.4 holder. It does have a couple of decent sized hits as pointed out meaning MS65 is the top of the grading opinions. On the plus side, coin has good luster and overall nice eye appeal.
I saw the subject coin in person, and can vouch that it is dripping in frosty to slightly satiny mint luster. 😃
Those are nice photos that are well representative of seeing the coin in hand. — Nice pickup!! 😎
Stuart
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I find that the forum as a whole tends to be .5 - 1 pt conservative on Saint grading for the most part, but there's a huge difference between a typical modern day PCGS 65 and an older gen holder/cac 65. It seems like PCGS standards loosened a solid whole grade level from what they once were...Heres a rough rider "63+" that I think would average a 61 guess on a GTG here.
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I think that, in addition to it sometimes being difficult to judge hits on a big heavy piece of gold, the strike can often be misinterpreted leading to overly conservative guesses.
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I agree, though I’d say this one seems to have a pretty good strike for the issue. Often times you don’t get full finger separation on the torch with no mottos, but the 07s tend to come just a bit nicer the 08s, often found flat in the face and with blob fingers. Nobody likes the 08 NMs, they’re the red headed step Saints lol.
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The longer hit under the arm is the mark that takes it out of the MS-65 territory for me.
Interesting to point out the strike on gold. When I first moved from collecting Morgan dollars to gold, I struggled with technical grading and was very critical. Eventually determined that my preference was luster/color, strike, and overall eye appeal. Still have more to learn but that will come with time and experience.
Saw this beautiful Augustus Saint Gaudens Winged Liberty Statue in the Arlington Memorial Cemetery Museum in March 2025, which immediately reminded me of his classic $20 Gold piece obverse design. 😎
Stuart
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oh man
lived there for 20 years and never knew!