1960 Franklin Proof - CAM/DCAM Designation

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dipset512
dipset512 Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 8, 2025 9:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I sent in this 1960 Franklin Proof and it came back PF with no CAM or DCAM designation. Pics Posted. Do any of you think this should have received the designation or did I get this wrong?

If so, while searching on the forums, I saw this: Do not send it in as a regrade, send it in for deignation review. Do they still offer this? This was posted in 2002.


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  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's close, but I agree with no CAM. Even if it was CAM, I don't believe it would be worth the cost of resubmission.

    Coin Photography

  • dipset512
    dipset512 Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭
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    @FlyingAl said:
    It's close, but I agree with no CAM. Even if it was CAM, I don't believe it would be worth the cost of resubmission.

    Thanks. So I can get better at this, any tips to distinguish?

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @dipset512 said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    It's close, but I agree with no CAM. Even if it was CAM, I don't believe it would be worth the cost of resubmission.

    Thanks. So I can get better at this, any tips to distinguish?

    Frost is too thin on the bell.

    Coin Photography

  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Been there, done that.

  • Maywood
    Maywood Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It seems that my time here has shown that the CAM/DCAM designation is nearly impossible to sort out from pictures, whether they are TrueViews or any other images.

    One members “guess” is as good as another’s and PCGS has proven not to be consistent in how they apply their “standard” with these coins.

    The short answer is that sending them in for grading is a crap shoot.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin

  • ChrisH821
    ChrisH821 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What grade did it receive? Unless it's a PR68, it looks like the reconsideration cost for no-cam to cam is not worth it. I suggest buying one that already has the designation.
    It looks CAM to me, but no chance for DCAM

    Collector, occasional seller

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2025 8:38AM
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    Not a collector of CAM/DCAM coins, especially Franklins, but I have found from reading posts by others who do collect these coins, that the lettering frost more than likely prevents a CAM/DCAM designation. Not all the time, but seems so to me.
    Jim


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  • SanctionII
    SanctionII Posts: 13,189 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PF65CAM

    PF68CAM

    PF69CAM

    VERSUS

    PF65

    PF66

    PF67

    PF67

    PF67

    :o

    Grading coins (assigning a numerical grade and/or a designation) is a matter of Subjective Opinion.

  • dipset512
    dipset512 Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭
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    @SanctionII that's a real head scratcher.

  • dipset512
    dipset512 Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭
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    Great answers. Thanks y'all.

  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The CAM designation can be a real crap shoot. Sometimes you get it, and sometimes you don’t.

    For what it’s worth, I think that the reverse falls just short.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The reverse frost looks too weak to me. I also agree with the others that there is inconsistency with the application of cameo/deep cameo designations.

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