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Please guess the grade and do you think it was the same or did someone grade this Morgan higher?
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PCGS63, NGC64
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Unc details from both services. (Road rash)
64.
I assume that there is a grade difference or you wouldn't have asked.
For fun, I'm going to say NGC 64. PCGS 65.
I give it a 62.
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Pcgs 63 ngc 64
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Ok, just for giggles I'll say a.t 🙄
I would say 63 as far as one being graded higher or lower by the other TPG no idea. In that arena YMMV. I have had coins upgrade / downgrade both ways.
NGC -64
PCGS - 65+
I really hope that it isn't any higher than that.
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n64, p64+
I really want to say that one of them detailed it for the scrape on the cheek but I'm a weakling.
PCGS - 64
NGC - 63*
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PCGS - MS64
NGC - MS65
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I'd guess MS62 or MS63.
Does the material give rise to the immaterial, or vice versa?
64
NGC 64 star
PCGS 63+
PCGS - Details
NGC - MS66+
With cheek damage, if it graded at all I see either company as a max of 62 to 63.
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Pcgs 65
NGC 64*
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62
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P 64
N 65
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N63*
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N64*
P65
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I think its been overgraded on both occasions. The cheek is so offensive.
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It would be 3 occasions if you consider CAC confirmed it was A or B for the grade at 64.
Based on images that looks like damaged goods, I’m very surprised anyone would straight grade it. It’s actually kind of insulting.
I think that the cheek scrapes over power any other attributes the coin might have.
The cheek is a grade limiter but it’s not damaged goods. That happens when a Morgan is in a bag with others; the TPGs consider it market acceptable and CAC agrees as well. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if someone cracked it and got a 65 from PCGS eventually.
A 65 on that coin would be a crime. There is no situation in which that level of damage should be considered gem. It’s a dog in the current holder in my opinion.
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The cheek causes me to to agree with NGC. 63 with a star for toning. Does CAC bump for attractive toning?
It's not just the cheek - the neck is pretty ragged too. The fields, Obv and Rev devices, and strike are really nice. Thanks for posting this one. It's a helpful learning example for me (assuming the TPGs are consistent).
Does the material give rise to the immaterial, or vice versa?
Also a lesson in grading from photos. The photo in the NGC holder is attractive for a 63 IMO. If I bought it based on that photo I would be disappointed. I wouldn’t buy it based on the PCGS photo. The scrapes I can live with, the cuts I couldn’t. To me scrapes are to be expected, cuts look like damage.
I also think if the scrape were 1/4" further toward the ear it would drop at least 1 grade.
Does the material give rise to the immaterial, or vice versa?
Anecdotally, CACG gave me a + for color on a very nicely toned Peace dollar. It's possible it was a technical +, I wasn't in the grading room, but it seemed like a pretty standard 63 to me other than the color.
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This is actually a good example of an ms61 coin. The dreaded grade that should scare off buyers, but also keep the original submitter happy it didn’t bodybag.
CAC needs to stop gulping the koolaid when something like this enters the room.
Usually even a reed mark on the portrait should prevent a gem grade.
The colors are not exactly full spectrum, but they are beautifully arrayed.
That’s why this lovely coin brings multiples of ‘normal’ pricing, and the numbers “ 63*” or “64” are irrelevant.
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If I understand correctly. If this same coin either had less luster and/or no color then its a details coin.
And so the eye appeal gave it a pass along with market acceptance of bag marks?
No. I don't think that is accurate.
Bag marks are NOT damage that would result in a details grade for any coin just about ever. They are normal on all large coins from the minting process itself.
Some people are calling it a scrape ("road rash") on the cheek. That would result in a details grade but I don't think it is an actual scrape. So I don't think one can accurately say that dipping that coin would result in a details grade. It would probably be a 62 if white.
I would guess a 62 or 63 if it was blast white. The NGC grade barely accounted for the color while PCGS might have bumped it up one.
Yes the toning is what brings the premium and there is no real difference between 63 and 64. If it was 62 or lower, that would impact the premium. There are a few grade segments where premiums increase. The lower end is 60-62, then 63-64 tends to be a step up, and 65-66 is another bump. If this coin ends up as a 65, I’d predict we would see a nice bump on price too.
Meaningless but the same coin must have scraped it numerous times for it to extend as long as it has. Otherwise the scrap would be a lot shorter in height.
I think you're thinking of an edge mark. You need only slide one coin over the other once, cheek against cheek, to get that entire line
Apparently CAC is now giving stickers to coins with attractive toning. It's similar to grade bumps given by TPGs.
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It must look really nice in hand, I was close, nice twist of a thread here, kudos.