@derryb said:
coho believes our economic future depends on what we export. LOL LOL LOL
It depends on what we don't have to import.
Derryb believes we have to import crap...so maybe he can tell us what we have to import. I'll help hi....cars and car parts. You guys gonna start buying more Chevy Mailbu or Buicks. Lol
Tell me what we will make and who we will sell it to? You can't even come up with your own ideas. That's the LOL LOL LOL.
But, that's not what coho believes. Our economic engine depends on not what we manufacture, but what we create. And "they" appear to be waging war against that.
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The Chevrolet Malibu is a good car. If they make a new El Camino, i might get one. Buicks are good too. I have three old Buicks (1968, 1969, 1971).
I hate Subarus, Hondas, Toyotas, KIAs, Hyundais, etc. Even though they are popular. I would never buy a car just because of the popularity of it.
They are popular because they are higher quality. Most are also more stylish. And this coming from someone who has owned 12 cars of which only 2 were foreign made.
In the long run (10 to 20 years after production), domestic cars are cheaper because of lower maintenance costs due to wider availability and lower cost of replacement parts.
Lol.
US cars don't even make it 20 years. Notice the top US vehicles are diesel powered trucks because a diesel engine lasts longer than an ICE. Not a single American car in the top 10.
We drive our "beater" 2009 Saturn SUV all the time.
I think everyone on this forum would have guessed that. Lol
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I have a LOT more experience with vehicles than you do.
Hey, i get it. I'd also want to make a grandiose and unsubstantiated statement to hide my embarrassment if I drove a 2009 Saturn.
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You seem overly concerned with public perception. I couldn't care less.
You seem to be saying American cars are ugly. I drive a plain Jane, stock pickup, so your assumptions are incorrect, again.
I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.
At least no one will steal it.
I stand by what I wrote regarding relative automotive experience.
Yes, you are better than me at everything, but I'm 100% confident I've driven more miles than you.
People will buy what is available. If foreign-built cars become more expensive, I expect that people would look more at domestic vehicles.
Yes, inflation!!! High prices!! That will help America!!! LOL. American cars are prices the same as comparable foreign cars dude. But maybe if we raise the price of those Hondas built in Georgia be can fire those American workers!! That will teach them!!
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So you drive a lowly generic pickup truck. But you complain about someone else driving a lowly generic (but reliable) Saturn SUV. That figures, and it fits in with your apparent self-centered view.
I never said lowly. I said plain Jane stock. So to you, aversge is lowly?
And you brought in your car and that you are more experienced, but i'm self-centered? What kind of weak gaslighting attempt is that?
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You posted the gigantic puke icon.
That says a lot more about you than about the vehicle in question.
@derryb said:
coho believes our economic future depends on what we export. LOL LOL LOL
It depends on what we don't have to import.
Derryb believes we have to import crap...so maybe he can tell us what we have to import. I'll help hi....cars and car parts. You guys gonna start buying more Chevy Mailbu or Buicks. Lol
Tell me what we will make and who we will sell it to? You can't even come up with your own ideas. That's the LOL LOL LOL.
But, that's not what coho believes. Our economic engine depends on not what we manufacture, but what we create. And "they" appear to be waging war against that.
.
The Chevrolet Malibu is a good car. If they make a new El Camino, i might get one. Buicks are good too. I have three old Buicks (1968, 1969, 1971).
I hate Subarus, Hondas, Toyotas, KIAs, Hyundais, etc. Even though they are popular. I would never buy a car just because of the popularity of it.
They are popular because they are higher quality. Most are also more stylish. And this coming from someone who has owned 12 cars of which only 2 were foreign made.
In the long run (10 to 20 years after production), domestic cars are cheaper because of lower maintenance costs due to wider availability and lower cost of replacement parts.
Lol.
US cars don't even make it 20 years. Notice the top US vehicles are diesel powered trucks because a diesel engine lasts longer than an ICE. Not a single American car in the top 10.
We drive our "beater" 2009 Saturn SUV all the time.
I think everyone on this forum would have guessed that. Lol
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I have a LOT more experience with vehicles than you do.
Hey, i get it. I'd also want to make a grandiose and unsubstantiated statement to hide my embarrassment if I drove a 2009 Saturn.
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You seem overly concerned with public perception. I couldn't care less.
You seem to be saying American cars are ugly. I drive a plain Jane, stock pickup, so your assumptions are incorrect, again.
I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.
At least no one will steal it.
I stand by what I wrote regarding relative automotive experience.
Yes, you are better than me at everything, but I'm 100% confident I've driven more miles than you.
People will buy what is available. If foreign-built cars become more expensive, I expect that people would look more at domestic vehicles.
Yes, inflation!!! High prices!! That will help America!!! LOL. American cars are prices the same as comparable foreign cars dude. But maybe if we raise the price of those Hondas built in Georgia be can fire those American workers!! That will teach them!!
.
.
So you drive a lowly generic pickup truck. But you complain about someone else driving a lowly generic (but reliable) Saturn SUV. That figures, and it fits in with your apparent self-centered view.
I never said lowly. I said plain Jane stock. So to you, aversge is lowly?
And you brought in your car and that you are more experienced, but i'm self-centered? What kind of weak gaslighting attempt is that?
.
You posted the gigantic puke icon.
That says a lot more about you than about the vehicle in question.
.
Sure does. I aint trying to gaslight nobody.
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That statement is a double negative. As written, it means that there is no one that you are not trying to "gaslight".
You attempt to sway perception that a Saturn SUV is a "puke" vehicle. You have no personal experience or reason for doing that, other than attempting to be confrontational. That is what seems like "gaslighting" (your new favorite word ?).
@derryb said:
coho believes our economic future depends on what we export. LOL LOL LOL
It depends on what we don't have to import.
Derryb believes we have to import crap...so maybe he can tell us what we have to import. I'll help hi....cars and car parts. You guys gonna start buying more Chevy Mailbu or Buicks. Lol
Tell me what we will make and who we will sell it to? You can't even come up with your own ideas. That's the LOL LOL LOL.
But, that's not what coho believes. Our economic engine depends on not what we manufacture, but what we create. And "they" appear to be waging war against that.
.
The Chevrolet Malibu is a good car. If they make a new El Camino, i might get one. Buicks are good too. I have three old Buicks (1968, 1969, 1971).
I hate Subarus, Hondas, Toyotas, KIAs, Hyundais, etc. Even though they are popular. I would never buy a car just because of the popularity of it.
They are popular because they are higher quality. Most are also more stylish. And this coming from someone who has owned 12 cars of which only 2 were foreign made.
In the long run (10 to 20 years after production), domestic cars are cheaper because of lower maintenance costs due to wider availability and lower cost of replacement parts.
Lol.
US cars don't even make it 20 years. Notice the top US vehicles are diesel powered trucks because a diesel engine lasts longer than an ICE. Not a single American car in the top 10.
We drive our "beater" 2009 Saturn SUV all the time.
I think everyone on this forum would have guessed that. Lol
.
I have a LOT more experience with vehicles than you do.
Hey, i get it. I'd also want to make a grandiose and unsubstantiated statement to hide my embarrassment if I drove a 2009 Saturn.
.
You seem overly concerned with public perception. I couldn't care less.
You seem to be saying American cars are ugly. I drive a plain Jane, stock pickup, so your assumptions are incorrect, again.
I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.
At least no one will steal it.
I stand by what I wrote regarding relative automotive experience.
Yes, you are better than me at everything, but I'm 100% confident I've driven more miles than you.
People will buy what is available. If foreign-built cars become more expensive, I expect that people would look more at domestic vehicles.
Yes, inflation!!! High prices!! That will help America!!! LOL. American cars are prices the same as comparable foreign cars dude. But maybe if we raise the price of those Hondas built in Georgia be can fire those American workers!! That will teach them!!
.
.
So you drive a lowly generic pickup truck. But you complain about someone else driving a lowly generic (but reliable) Saturn SUV. That figures, and it fits in with your apparent self-centered view.
I never said lowly. I said plain Jane stock. So to you, aversge is lowly?
And you brought in your car and that you are more experienced, but i'm self-centered? What kind of weak gaslighting attempt is that?
.
You posted the gigantic puke icon.
That says a lot more about you than about the vehicle in question.
.
Sure does. I aint trying to gaslight nobody.
.
That statement is a double negative. As written, it means that there is no one that you are not trying to "gaslight".
You attempt to sway perception that a Saturn SUV is a "puke" vehicle. You have no personal experience or reason for doing that, other than attempting to be confrontational. That is what seems like "gaslighting" (your new favorite word ?).
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I ain't trying to sway no one's perceptions. My experience is that I've seen many of those and do not find them attractive. I find many vehicles to be unattractive. Public perception of that vehicle was set long before pukey emoticons. From the interweb...Here's a more detailed look at the Saturn Vue's design evolution:
Earlier Models (Pre-2008):
Upright sides and boxy shape: The first generation Vue was known for its upright, boxy design, which some found unappealing.
Large panel gaps: The use of plastic body panels led to noticeable gaps between the panels, further detracting from its appearance.
Poor fit and finish: The interior also suffered from a lack of quality and refined design
You seem to be a bit sensitive about this so I'll cease discussion of your vehicle.
Now, a more appropriate example of being confrontational would be you saying you have "a LOT more experience with vehicles". This is a challenge statement and is certainly confrontational.
Maybe you'd like to get back on topic of discussing defaulting on the debt or whether current and proposed policies solve the debt issue or bring us closer to default?
@derryb said:
coho believes our economic future depends on what we export. LOL LOL LOL
It depends on what we don't have to import.
Derryb believes we have to import crap...so maybe he can tell us what we have to import. I'll help hi....cars and car parts. You guys gonna start buying more Chevy Mailbu or Buicks. Lol
Tell me what we will make and who we will sell it to? You can't even come up with your own ideas. That's the LOL LOL LOL.
But, that's not what coho believes. Our economic engine depends on not what we manufacture, but what we create. And "they" appear to be waging war against that.
.
The Chevrolet Malibu is a good car. If they make a new El Camino, i might get one. Buicks are good too. I have three old Buicks (1968, 1969, 1971).
I hate Subarus, Hondas, Toyotas, KIAs, Hyundais, etc. Even though they are popular. I would never buy a car just because of the popularity of it.
They are popular because they are higher quality. Most are also more stylish. And this coming from someone who has owned 12 cars of which only 2 were foreign made.
In the long run (10 to 20 years after production), domestic cars are cheaper because of lower maintenance costs due to wider availability and lower cost of replacement parts.
Lol.
US cars don't even make it 20 years. Notice the top US vehicles are diesel powered trucks because a diesel engine lasts longer than an ICE. Not a single American car in the top 10.
We drive our "beater" 2009 Saturn SUV all the time.
I think everyone on this forum would have guessed that. Lol
.
I have a LOT more experience with vehicles than you do.
Hey, i get it. I'd also want to make a grandiose and unsubstantiated statement to hide my embarrassment if I drove a 2009 Saturn.
.
You seem overly concerned with public perception. I couldn't care less.
You seem to be saying American cars are ugly. I drive a plain Jane, stock pickup, so your assumptions are incorrect, again.
I'm not embarrassed in the slightest.
At least no one will steal it.
I stand by what I wrote regarding relative automotive experience.
Yes, you are better than me at everything, but I'm 100% confident I've driven more miles than you.
People will buy what is available. If foreign-built cars become more expensive, I expect that people would look more at domestic vehicles.
Yes, inflation!!! High prices!! That will help America!!! LOL. American cars are prices the same as comparable foreign cars dude. But maybe if we raise the price of those Hondas built in Georgia be can fire those American workers!! That will teach them!!
.
.
So you drive a lowly generic pickup truck. But you complain about someone else driving a lowly generic (but reliable) Saturn SUV. That figures, and it fits in with your apparent self-centered view.
I never said lowly. I said plain Jane stock. So to you, aversge is lowly?
And you brought in your car and that you are more experienced, but i'm self-centered? What kind of weak gaslighting attempt is that?
.
You posted the gigantic puke icon.
That says a lot more about you than about the vehicle in question.
.
Sure does. I aint trying to gaslight nobody.
.
That statement is a double negative. As written, it means that there is no one that you are not trying to "gaslight".
You attempt to sway perception that a Saturn SUV is a "puke" vehicle. You have no personal experience or reason for doing that, other than attempting to be confrontational. That is what seems like "gaslighting" (your new favorite word ?).
.
I ain't trying to sway no one's perceptions. My experience is that I've seen many of those and do not find them attractive. I find many vehicles to be unattractive. Public perception of that vehicle was set long before pukey emoticons. From the interweb...Here's a more detailed look at the Saturn Vue's design evolution:
Earlier Models (Pre-2008):
Upright sides and boxy shape: The first generation Vue was known for its upright, boxy design, which some found unappealing.
Large panel gaps: The use of plastic body panels led to noticeable gaps between the panels, further detracting from its appearance.
Poor fit and finish: The interior also suffered from a lack of quality and refined design
You seem to be a bit sensitive about this so I'll cease discussion of your vehicle.
Now, a more appropriate example of being confrontational would be you saying you have "a LOT more experience with vehicles". This is a challenge statement and is certainly confrontational.
Maybe you'd like to get back on topic of discussing defaulting on the debt or whether current and proposed policies solve the debt issue or bring us closer to default?
NO.
You don't get to post a bunch more about how "bad" the vehicle is perceived and in the next sentence declare that the discussion about it should end. That is NOT how this is going to go. If you really thought the vehicle discussion should end, you would not have bothered to post more opinion about it. Also, your post shows your ignorance regarding vehicle models. The vehicle in question is NOT a Vue model. Our Saturn is a 2009 Outlook XR. So none of what you posted even applies to this model or model year.
@blitzdude said:
Saturn produced such a fine auto they aren't even in business anymore. Coincidence? I think not. RGDS!
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The average automobile buyer is pretty dumb. They respond more to the marketing hype than the vehicle itself. There have been many good car companies that are no longer around because the marketing failed even though the cars were good.
Still driving my 2008 Dodge Ram myself. > @dcarr said:
@blitzdude said:
Saturn produced such a fine auto they aren't even in business anymore. Coincidence? I think not. RGDS!
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The average automobile buyer is pretty dumb. They respond more to the marketing hype than the vehicle itself. There have been many good car companies that are no longer around because the marketing failed even though the cars were good.
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My 2008 dodge ram still treats me just fine. As does my 1967 Camaro for that matter. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
@blitzdude said:
Still driving my 2008 Dodge Ram myself. > @dcarr said:
@blitzdude said:
Saturn produced such a fine auto they aren't even in business anymore. Coincidence? I think not. RGDS!
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The average automobile buyer is pretty dumb. They respond more to the marketing hype than the vehicle itself. There have been many good car companies that are no longer around because the marketing failed even though the cars were good.
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My 2008 dodge ram still treats me just fine. As does my 1967 Camaro for that matter. RGDS!
I'm more of a "Chevy" person than a "Ford" or "Dodge" guy. So I like the early Camaro of course (although I've never owned a Camaro).
I also have a couple Pontiacs and some Buicks. I had fun driving this one yesterday - got a new roller camshaft for it (photo is of an older magazine article about it):
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Sure does. I aint trying to gaslight nobody.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
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That statement is a double negative. As written, it means that there is no one that you are not trying to "gaslight".
You attempt to sway perception that a Saturn SUV is a "puke" vehicle. You have no personal experience or reason for doing that, other than attempting to be confrontational. That is what seems like "gaslighting" (your new favorite word ?).
.
I ain't trying to sway no one's perceptions. My experience is that I've seen many of those and do not find them attractive. I find many vehicles to be unattractive. Public perception of that vehicle was set long before pukey emoticons. From the interweb...Here's a more detailed look at the Saturn Vue's design evolution:
Earlier Models (Pre-2008):
Upright sides and boxy shape: The first generation Vue was known for its upright, boxy design, which some found unappealing.
Large panel gaps: The use of plastic body panels led to noticeable gaps between the panels, further detracting from its appearance.
Poor fit and finish: The interior also suffered from a lack of quality and refined design
You seem to be a bit sensitive about this so I'll cease discussion of your vehicle.
Now, a more appropriate example of being confrontational would be you saying you have "a LOT more experience with vehicles". This is a challenge statement and is certainly confrontational.
Maybe you'd like to get back on topic of discussing defaulting on the debt or whether current and proposed policies solve the debt issue or bring us closer to default?
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Saturn produced such a fine auto they aren't even in business anymore. Coincidence? I think not. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Sounds like D.Carr is getting his money's worth out of that Saturn.
I knew it would happen.
NO.
You don't get to post a bunch more about how "bad" the vehicle is perceived and in the next sentence declare that the discussion about it should end. That is NOT how this is going to go. If you really thought the vehicle discussion should end, you would not have bothered to post more opinion about it. Also, your post shows your ignorance regarding vehicle models. The vehicle in question is NOT a Vue model. Our Saturn is a 2009 Outlook XR. So none of what you posted even applies to this model or model year.
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The average automobile buyer is pretty dumb. They respond more to the marketing hype than the vehicle itself. There have been many good car companies that are no longer around because the marketing failed even though the cars were good.
.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Still driving my 2008 Dodge Ram myself. > @dcarr said:
My 2008 dodge ram still treats me just fine. As does my 1967 Camaro for that matter. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
I'm more of a "Chevy" person than a "Ford" or "Dodge" guy. So I like the early Camaro of course (although I've never owned a Camaro).
I also have a couple Pontiacs and some Buicks. I had fun driving this one yesterday - got a new roller camshaft for it (photo is of an older magazine article about it):
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Knowledge is the enemy of fear
It wasn't a bad car and the concept was fine. The problem was GM was going bankrupt.