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fake 1896-o $1 pcgs ms63+ on ebay

joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
may the fonz be with you...always...

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That'll fool some people

  • Oh my, that would fool me for sure. How can you tell it's a fake by looking at it?

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rblackwell30 said:
    Oh my, that would fool me for sure. How can you tell it's a fake by looking at it?

    Pull up the true view.

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  • How convenient, he has two of them

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! That is scary good.

    Vplite99
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    eBay removed the listing. I wonder what caused them to do that, considering all of the other counterfeits they've recently deemed not to be in violation of their listing policies.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,630 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2025 7:59AM

    I can't download the reverse of the counterfeit for some reason, but here is the True View and the obverse of the fake.

    Counterfeit

    You should be able to see the difference. The look of this fake is similar to others I have noted recently. The relief in the middle of the fake is not right. It's subtle, but there is a difference. The surface also has a wierd luster to it that is not right.

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  • stevefromnestevefromne Posts: 141 ✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2025 8:10AM

    @BillJones said:
    I can't download the reverse of the counterfeit for some reason, but here is the True View and the obverse of the fake.

    Counterfeit

    You should be able to see the difference. The look of this fake is similar to others I have noted recently. The relief in the middle of the fake is not right. It's subtle, but there is a difference. The surface also has a wierd luster to it that is not right.

    Ref his sold items ; same coin, only the reverse photo, but with the same contact mark on the eagle's breast.

    HOWEVER : eBay just nuked the lots.

  • HarlequinHarlequin Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    The portrait caught my attention immediately. It is definitely wrong. I would've known that was a fake. The counterfeiters are getting better with the holders though and they would for sure fool a lot of people as to the validaty of the coin. Nowadays "doing your homework" before buying is an understatement!

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  • PClark99PClark99 Posts: 73 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 18, 2025 8:30AM

    Not even looking at the coin, the font on the label looks really off.

  • HarlequinHarlequin Posts: 150 ✭✭✭

    @PClark99 said:
    Not even looking at the coin, the font on the label looks really off.

    Yeah, I was looking at that also. I was gonna compare it to a genuine label when I got home.

    🇺🇸 Harlequin
    harlequinnumismatic@gmail.com

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty easy to tell the fake trueview coin is not the same as what is in the holder.

    As to why it was removed so fast somebody has a hotline to ebay maybe our host.

  • Old_CollectorOld_Collector Posts: 269 ✭✭✭

    A stronger response by EBay is necessary, ban for anyone listing counterfeit coins and much higher scrutiny for newer sellers somehow. Unfortunately EBay seems far more concerned with sales than with legitimacy of products.
    Also, if the seller is in the US this should be reported to the FBI or other appropriate authorities by EBay for investigation of wire fraud and other applicable laws, otherwise EBay is facilitating the crimes.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    Pretty easy to tell the fake trueview coin is not the same as what is in the holder.

    As to why it was removed so fast somebody has a hotline to ebay maybe our host.

    If someone has a hotline to eBay that makes a difference, that’s a very new development. As a large quantity of other listings of counterfeit coins in counterfeit PCGS holders have been reported, yet weren’t removed.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    You should be able to see the difference. The look of this fake is similar to others I have noted recently. The relief in the middle of the fake is not right. It's subtle, but there is a difference. The surface also has a wierd luster to it that is not right.

    and the counterfeit would grade higher than a 63+. tho i'd expect one day they take care of that. it doesn't have definition from the bottom of the cap to the south

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2025 2:22AM

    This seller had 3 listed and I and others in my group reported them to the Bay. One was removed, one sold and one was ended by the seller...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/256893663333

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer by the seller is a clue, I guess it made him feel less culpable. Peace Roy

    "Item description from the seller
    I have been notified that this coin may be counterfeit. So buy at your own risk.
    It looks good to me, but I am no coin expert."

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    Disclaimer by the seller is a clue, I guess it made him feel less culpable. Peace Roy

    "Item description from the seller
    I have been notified that this coin may be counterfeit. So buy at your own risk.
    It looks good to me, but I am no coin expert."

    I’ve read that boiler plate on eBay offering before. It’s not worth the paper it’s written upon, and there’s no paper involved.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    This seller had 3 listed and I and others in my group reported them to the Bay. One was removed, one sold and one was ended by the seller...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/256893663333

    did anyone in your group contact the seller?

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  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    I did.

    What was his response?

    peacockcoins

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:
    I did.

    I messaged the seller, too, but he didn’t reply.
    I also reported one of the other1896-O’s that the seller had sold. But eBay found the listing wasn’t in violation of their listing policies even though it had the same picture and PCGS cert number as the one they removed.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2025 8:22AM

    @braddick said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I did.

    What was his response?

    An odd response when I told him they were fakes:

    New message from: dave121126 (461TURQUOISE_STAR Star)
    Yes, so I've been told, I even added that to description but ebay took it out

    I also found it on Ali and notified him of that as well:

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 34,713 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i think they still want it to run its course

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,550 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @burfle23 said:

    @braddick said:

    @burfle23 said:
    I did.

    What was his response?

    An odd response when I told him they were fakes:

    New message from: dave121126 (461TURQUOISE_STAR Star)
    Yes, so I've been told, I even added that to description but ebay took it out

    I also found it on Ali and notified him of that as well:

    That is an odd response.
    I wish AI could be used for good: such as setting it up to hunt down and delete these counterfeit sellers. Once banned they would be offered a single chance at a recourse via writing an email to eBay explaining why they were banned wrongly. (I'd think none would take eBay up on that offer.)
    Also eBay could use an AI vetting process in approving new sellers.

    Just a random thought.

    peacockcoins

  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Writing an email to an AI enterprise agent?

    Who would pay for this process? A 15% base sellers fee?

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