1971S 40% Silver struck 25% Off Center, Unique ?

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Mr Lindy
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Was over the moon when I added this to my Error Archive.

As 1971S Silver Ikes were the first orders my parents placed with US Mint I found it more appealing to own.

I think it's unique.
But I am curious:

Is this the only 1971S Silver Ike struck Off Center known or have I overlooked another one or a few ?

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  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    how about these?

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1971-s-1-eisenhower-dollar-silver-struck-25-off-center-clashed-dies-ms65-ngc/a/1371-5283.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1971-s-1-eisenhower-dollar-silver-double-struck-both-sides-off-center-ms67-ngc/a/1348-3986.s?lotPosition=-46&ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very cool coin!

  • MWallace
    MWallace Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

    Do you think it should be higher or lower?

  • Mr Lindy
    Mr Lindy Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2025 6:32PM
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    Was in NGC 65 holder for a few years, now PCGS. The thing I am curious about is the color. Likely toned, however I do hope it might be on Cupro Nickel, not 40% silver.

    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

  • seanq
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    @davewesen said:
    how about these?

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1971-s-1-eisenhower-dollar-silver-struck-25-off-center-clashed-dies-ms65-ngc/a/1371-5283.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/1971-s-1-eisenhower-dollar-silver-double-struck-both-sides-off-center-ms67-ngc/a/1348-3986.s?lotPosition=-46&ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417

    First coin is the OP's coin, the toning around the date is a match.

    Sean Reynolds

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  • GRANDAM
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    @MWallace said:

    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

    Do you think it should be higher or lower?

    Higher by 1 1/2 points,,,,,,,,,

    GrandAm :)
  • braddick
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    @MWallace said:

    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

    Do you think it should be higher or lower?

    Again, a wonderful coin. I am not diminishing from the importance of such an error coin.
    With that stated, the scratch marks on the reverse are troublesome for a GEM grade:

  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice, i like 👍

  • davewesen
    davewesen Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Mr Lindy said:
    Was in NGC 65 holder for a few years, now PCGS. The thing I am curious about is the color. Likely toned, however I do hope it might be on Cupro Nickel, not 40% silver.

    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

    There are nearly 2 grams difference in weight. If you have another IKE in same generation slab, you should be able to determine by total weights.

    I did not realize it was the same as sold at Heritage. It sold a couple years before there for more than double.

  • Byers
    Byers Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2025 7:51PM
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    Not unique.

    I bought both of these raw in 1of the 2 Ike $1 proof and mint state error coins deals a few years ago. NGC slabbed them for me.

    There are 5 more O/C’s known and 3 more D/S’s known. Major mint errors on the 1971S ‘Blue Ikes’ are very scarce.

    I will be offering the others at a later date, either on my website or through Heritage Auctions.


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  • Byers
    Byers Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here is the 71S Off-Center before it was rehabbed at NCS:

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  • Relaxn
    Relaxn Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not Unique... There are a group of 3 out there there are less off center... I picked them up in Ocean City, NJ in 2008/09 and sold them at a Big Show in Stamford CT in 2011/12. The 3 I had were 15% to 25% off center.

  • mr1931S
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    The scratch marks do it in for consideration of a higher grade in my opinion. Making too much noise at the grading powers that be could result in a details grade that is more deserved than the straight grade it has.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2025 8:28PM
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    i wouldn't call them scratches so much as some contact marks from some part of the moving machinery or it moving along the machinery

    i wouldn't label something imparted from a wacky strike as damage. however, i also acknowledge the market would pay more for one without it

    as far as metal moving on metal in machinery, the name for what you are seeing is chatter

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  • braddick
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    ** i wouldn't call them scratches so much as some contact marks from some part of the moving machinery or it moving along the machinery**

    i wouldn't label something imparted from a wacky strike as damage. however, i also acknowledge the market would pay more for one without it

    as far as metal moving on metal in machinery, the name for what you are seeing is chatter

    I agree, and thus it shouldn't be given just a details grade.
    ANACS handles these and awards the MS60 grade. That seems more appropriate.

  • CaptHenway
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    i wouldn't call them scratches so much as some contact marks from some part of the moving machinery or it moving along the machinery

    i wouldn't label something imparted from a wacky strike as damage. however, i also acknowledge the market would pay more for one without it

    as far as metal moving on metal in machinery, the name for what you are seeing is chatter

    Or an oil pan.

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  • Some_of_it
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    Could the lines on the reverse be from a clashed die?

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MsMorrisine said:
    i wouldn't call them scratches so much as some contact marks from some part of the moving machinery or it moving along the machinery

    i wouldn't label something imparted from a wacky strike as damage. however, i also acknowledge the market would pay more for one without it

    as far as metal moving on metal in machinery, the name for what you are seeing is chatter

    chatter scratches? My feeling is that the straight grade of 65 is as good as it should get. That chatter scratch that runs through the eagle's legs to the rim is very distracting. It's damage.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    just chatter

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  • Namvet69
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    That ridge line goes behind the L, me thinks it's metal movement during the wacky strike.

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  • MWallace
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    .

  • Mr Lindy
    Mr Lindy Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2025 8:44AM
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    Great to see this one documented before it's visit to NCS !

    I can smell the sulfur in the vintage blue paper 2x2 it resided in.

    I really like the error, saw the scatter shatter ticks around eagle's leg before I bought it.
    Prime focal areas are quite nice. I agree with the 65 grade from both NGC & PCGS.

    The extreme full head outline die clash on Reverse is a bonus. That clashing of the dies may have caused the press to go wonky, thus causing the off center struck mistake(s)

    @Byers said:
    Here is the 71S Off-Center before it was rehabbed at NCS:

  • Mr Lindy
    Mr Lindy Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2025 6:50AM
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    Is anybody's MS65 a virtually flawless grade these days ?

    @braddick said:
    Neat coin.
    I am slightly surprised at the MS65 grade though.

  • CaptHenway
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    It is a wonderful error, but it should be graded just like any other coin. Otherwise, grading standards mean nothing.

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  • SPalladino
    SPalladino Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2025 11:43AM
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    Besides the offcenter strike, the obverse and reverse are the product of clashed dies! The reverse clash is the sharpest and most complete that I've seen on a 1971-S business strike Ike, and the obverse clash is nearly as nice. Fantastic specimen!

    Edit to add:
    The sharpness of those clashes suggest to me that they occurred not many strikes before this offcenter strike. (no evidence of repair of the clashes at all)
    I'll have to check the clashed 1971-S business strike Ikes that I have, to see if their mint mark placement matches the mint mark placement for the die that produced this strike.

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor

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