GTG 1907 Indian $10.00-- Grade revealed at bottom of thread

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Eldorado9
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edited March 23, 2025 12:48PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Guess the grade of this 1907 Indian, and extra points for presence of CAC sticker.


Photo by @FlyingAl

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  • BillJones
    BillJones Posts: 35,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2025 8:08AM
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    The grades on this type are all over the place. I have one in an MS-62 holder which could be in an MS-64 holder. I have another one that is in an MS-64, CAC holder which is some ways is not as nice as the one in the MS-62 holder.

    The problem is these coins were weakly struck and some graders don't know how to handle that. The center of the obverse on this piece is weakly struck. Yet, the surfaces are super clean, especially for a gold coin.

    My guess is MS-64. It could go as high as MS-66.

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  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    64

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    65, CAC

  • PerryHall
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    I'll guess MS65 give or take a point or two. ;)

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  • Texas77
    Texas77 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've seen 66s with more hits and distractions. My crazy guess is MS67 no CAC

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,144 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66+

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  • jughead1893
    jughead1893 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66

  • csdot
    csdot Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭
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    MS65.

    Probably just the lighting, but the color looks muted. Still, nice coin.

  • BillJones
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    @csdot said:
    MS65.

    Probably just the lighting, but the color looks muted. Still, nice coin.

    These coins come frosty most of the time. This is graded MS-62.

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  • Copperindian
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    MS66 CAC

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  • jom
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    The luster does look a bit muted. 65 maybe?

    jom

  • ajaan
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    65


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  • HighRelief
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    I would give it MS67

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Superb gem.

  • BillJones
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    @jom said:
    The luster does look a bit muted. 65 maybe?

    jom

    I've seen coins with almost no marks are on them get hammered to a lower grade because of subdued luster. This is graded MS-64.

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  • Catbert
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    I already know so just here to say what a gorgeous coin! Well done Eldo!

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  • FlyingAl
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    This might be the most fascinating GTG I've ever seen.

  • jom
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    @BillJones said:

    @jom said:
    The luster does look a bit muted. 65 maybe?

    jom

    I've seen coins with almost no marks are on them get hammered to a lower grade because of subdued luster. This is graded MS-64.

    What I don't get is the MS62 you got for your 1907. Unless they thought they spotted some rub on, maybe, the eagle's wing. It doesn't seem to be "lack luster".

    jom

  • Davidk7
    Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 23, 2025 9:48AM
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    MS63 CAC. These all come looking nice like this lol

    Edit: looking at it again I don't like it stickered at 63. So I'll call it a 63 no CAC. @PeakRarities had a 63 that didn't sticker and that coin was more lustrous/sharp than this one. Attached are some pics:


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  • VanHalen
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    My guess is MS64. Amazingly free of contact marks but I'm not seeing the luster in those images and the color looks a little muted also.

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Davidk7 said:
    MS63 CAC. These all come looking nice like this lol

    Edit: looking at it again I don't like it stickered at 63. So I'll call it a 63 no CAC. @PeakRarities had a 63 that didn't sticker and that coin was more lustrous/sharp than this one. Attached are some pics:

    How do you feel about the gash on the neck on that one?

  • Davidk7
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    @FlyingAl said:

    @Davidk7 said:
    MS63 CAC. These all come looking nice like this lol

    Edit: looking at it again I don't like it stickered at 63. So I'll call it a 63 no CAC. @PeakRarities had a 63 that didn't sticker and that coin was more lustrous/sharp than this one. Attached are some pics:

    How do you feel about the gash on the neck on that one?

    The gash unfortunately is probably what prohibited a CAC sticker.

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  • blitzdude
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    MS64, CNGRTS!

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  • Electricity
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    Strike in the feathers is too weak for me, I’m at MS63

  • Clackamas1
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    I have a 63 as well and for the life of me can't figure out why it is not a 66. Good value though since most 63's, like Morgans, look like they were kicked through a parking lot.

  • BillJones
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    edited March 23, 2025 1:08PM
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    This one is graded MS-64, CAC.

    This is graded NGC MS-66, no CAC. It is a different type and a "remake" of the design with sharper details.

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  • Eldorado9
    Eldorado9 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BillJones Thanks for the nice shots Bill! You know these coins well. Appreciate the input.

  • Davidk7
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    Glad I was wrong. The slab pics showed the luster a bit better than the first set of pics so I like it at that grade.

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  • Nic
    Nic Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Beautiful coin Eldo!

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