By no means an expert on these issues, but with only a handful known, would I be wrong to assume only one pair of dies used? If so, wouldn't these die lines/marks be attributable to the die pair used and be needed? Just asking. Photo from CoinFacts.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
@braddick said:
I have one identical to the OP.
How cool there are now two sand blasted 1922 Peace dollars now known.
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This is a known modern Chinese make. The same reverse die has been paired with various obverse dates including "1919". Note the smushed out "ON" of ONE.
Also a die gouge below the hair above the "V" of TRVST.
@mon1ck said:
As I’m sure you see from the title, I believe I found one of the few that are said to be in the wild. I was actually looking at another 22P because it looked oddly smooth and then I remembered that I had bought this one from a common bin and I bought it because it looked “my chemical romancy” and I had never seen one like that before, then I stored it and forgot about it until the other 22 that was previously mentioned. I examined MCR for like four hours that night, weighed it, and just examined every fine line because I had read that the high relief was the reverse of 21P and luckily I have one for comparison. The next day I took it to my trusted coin dealer to examine it, his initial thought was like everyone else’s, that it looked fake, but it read perfect on his machine and loupe exam and then he was very careful about what he said and told me the only way to know for sure is to get it graded, but before I left, I asked if he agreed with me and he confirmed he did.
I’ll post some pictures and I would love to know your thoughts.
Thanks guys!
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This coin is a genuine 1922 Peace Silver Dollar. It happens to have a nice dark & light "circ-cam" (circulated cameo) look that some people like.
Beyond that, it is not anything special. It was struck by the same dies as millions of other 1922 Peace Silver Dollars.
It is not in any way a "high relief" strike. It is also lacking the 4th ray below "ONE" that the rare version would have.
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
They do not look remotely like the same coin. 0% chance it is a proof. So many differences that are very obvious.
I mean, not really if you take the time to look at the actual lines like front the dies themselves, the structures urea match up, so please I know the color of the coin does not appear to be the same. I’m asking you to go beneath surface level.
@mon1ck said:
I mean, not really if you take the time to look at the actual lines like front the dies themselves, the structures urea match up, so please I know the color of the coin does not appear to be the same. I’m asking you to go beneath surface level.
@mon1ck said:
I mean, not really if you take the time to look at the actual lines like front the dies themselves, the structures urea match up, so please I know the color of the coin does not appear to be the same. I’m asking you to go beneath surface level.
Come on, mate. No one likes to have their parade rained on but now you’re just being silly. Or a troll.
@mon1ck said:
I mean, not really if you take the time to look at the actual lines like front the dies themselves, the structures urea match up, so please I know the color of the coin does not appear to be the same. I’m asking you to go beneath surface level.
If you don't believe anyone else's opinion, look up @dcarr. He knows the peace dollar like no one else. He knows more history of the design of this coin than anyone that's still alive. He has designed coins, made dies, struck coins, etc.
Not exactly sure what enjoyment there is in trying litigate the classification and grade outcome of this coin here… just send it to our host… post the result and be prepared to accept the verdict.
In the meantime, we can look forward to the old war nickel thread followed by the cold war nickel thread.
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@coinkat said:
Not exactly sure what enjoyment there is in trying litigate the classification and grade outcome of this coin here… just send it to our host… post the result and be prepared to accept the verdict.
In the meantime, we can look forward to the old war nickel thread followed by the cold war nickel thread.
I agree totally. Sending the coin in for encapsulation will end all of this.
Pete
"I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
I know I am adding to it, but why is this any kind of issue after @dcarr noticed the lack of 4 rays below the E, which all high relief matte finish coins have, at least I have never read of another. End of discussion. When attributing a coin it takes many like features to prove it, but only one unalike to disprove it. Again, JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
They do not look remotely like the same coin. 0% chance it is a proof. So many differences that are very obvious.
There is an unfortunate amount of non-productive back and forth here.
Your coin is from a different reverse die than the low-relief proof you are comparing it to. In 1922 there were reverses with 3 distant mountains and reverses with two.
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
They do not look remotely like the same coin. 0% chance it is a proof. So many differences that are very obvious.
There is an unfortunate amount of non-productive back and forth here.
Your coin is from a different reverse die than the low-relief proof you are comparing it to. In 1922 there were reverses with 3 distant mountains and reverses with two.
I was about to point that out as well. The thickness of the rim is completely off too, even accounting for wear. I've had some very stubborn moments in life but even I know better than to argue with @dcarr about something like this.
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
They do not look remotely like the same coin. 0% chance it is a proof. So many differences that are very obvious.
There is an unfortunate amount of non-productive back and forth here.
Your coin is from a different reverse die than the low-relief proof you are comparing it to. In 1922 there were reverses with 3 distant mountains and reverses with two.
Yes, the 1922 low-relief proof is a 2-mountain type. Many 1922 non-proofs are also the 2-mountain. Many 1922 non-proofs are also 3-mountain, but no genuine proofs are 3-mountain.
Also look at the sharpness of the strike on the tips of the rays. Non-proof commercial strikes generally have flat (not fully struck) tips on those rays. Proofs have sharp fully-struck rays. Compare these:
Very rarely do super rare coins surface by accident. Probably the only way that would happen would be if a major collectors coins by accident ended up getting foolishly dumped by surviving relatives.
Since you asked, my opinion is that it is definitely not what you think it is.
Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
@braddick said:
I have one identical to the OP.
How cool there are now two sand blasted 1922 Peace dollars now known.
This is a known modern Chinese make. The same reverse die has been paired with various obverse dates including "1919". Note the smushed out "ON" of ONE.
Also a die gouge below the hair above the "V" of TRVST.
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Well, that is disappointing. I was going to treat my wife to a fabulous dinner at a local authentic Italian restaurant, The Olive Garden, but now it has to be hotdogs and Big Gulps from our local Seven/Eleven.
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By no means an expert on these issues, but with only a handful known, would I be wrong to assume only one pair of dies used? If so, wouldn't these die lines/marks be attributable to the die pair used and be needed? Just asking. Photo from CoinFacts.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
I think this is the one finally, you don’t know how many different guys and different combinations. It took to find this, but I think this is finally the proof.
Too many guys, too many combinations.
It’s not special.
Coin Photographer.
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This is a known modern Chinese make. The same reverse die has been paired with various obverse dates including "1919". Note the smushed out "ON" of ONE.
Also a die gouge below the hair above the "V" of TRVST.
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Note the difference in the bust point in the pair the op just provided.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
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This coin is a genuine 1922 Peace Silver Dollar. It happens to have a nice dark & light "circ-cam" (circulated cameo) look that some people like.
Beyond that, it is not anything special. It was struck by the same dies as millions of other 1922 Peace Silver Dollars.
It is not in any way a "high relief" strike. It is also lacking the 4th ray below "ONE" that the rare version would have.
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Good eye Dan, so much with the obverse, I never spent time on the reverse.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
They do not look remotely like the same coin. 0% chance it is a proof. So many differences that are very obvious.
I mean, not really if you take the time to look at the actual lines like front the dies themselves, the structures urea match up, so please I know the color of the coin does not appear to be the same. I’m asking you to go beneath surface level.
When will this end
Come on, mate. No one likes to have their parade rained on but now you’re just being silly. Or a troll.
Smitten with DBLCs.
Don’t worry I’ll let you guys know the results of my low relief proof.
If you don't believe anyone else's opinion, look up @dcarr. He knows the peace dollar like no one else. He knows more history of the design of this coin than anyone that's still alive. He has designed coins, made dies, struck coins, etc.
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What happened to sandblasted high relief?
Smitten with DBLCs.
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Coin Photographer.
This was a good effort, but not as much fun as the gold war nickel thread.
Not exactly sure what enjoyment there is in trying litigate the classification and grade outcome of this coin here… just send it to our host… post the result and be prepared to accept the verdict.
In the meantime, we can look forward to the old war nickel thread followed by the cold war nickel thread.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
I agree totally. Sending the coin in for encapsulation will end all of this.
Pete
I know I am adding to it, but why is this any kind of issue after @dcarr noticed the lack of 4 rays below the E, which all high relief matte finish coins have, at least I have never read of another. End of discussion. When attributing a coin it takes many like features to prove it, but only one unalike to disprove it. Again, JMO
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
There is an unfortunate amount of non-productive back and forth here.
Your coin is from a different reverse die than the low-relief proof you are comparing it to. In 1922 there were reverses with 3 distant mountains and reverses with two.
Collector, occasional seller
I was about to point that out as well. The thickness of the rim is completely off too, even accounting for wear. I've had some very stubborn moments in life but even I know better than to argue with @dcarr about something like this.
Yes, the 1922 low-relief proof is a 2-mountain type. Many 1922 non-proofs are also the 2-mountain. Many 1922 non-proofs are also 3-mountain, but no genuine proofs are 3-mountain.
Also look at the sharpness of the strike on the tips of the rays. Non-proof commercial strikes generally have flat (not fully struck) tips on those rays. Proofs have sharp fully-struck rays. Compare these:
Very rarely do super rare coins surface by accident. Probably the only way that would happen would be if a major collectors coins by accident ended up getting foolishly dumped by surviving relatives.
Now that I have your guys attention, are these two peace dollars different?
CONGRATS on your awesome find. Did you happen to count the rays between the legs and tail feathers?
Could you give us a weight and see if you can lift it with a magnet?
Show us a few closeups of the reeding please. (Edge on) .
Sure thing man.
Weighted it as well came out at 26.76g, magnet checked out too, sorry making dinner rn now too
Can I have your guys opinions now, please?
We think you should submit it to PCGS. Then we will all know.
Since you asked, my opinion is that it is definitely not what you think it is.
Ask the Canton mint.
Above average, eh?
No fair, I like most coins that I see here more than my own.
I am, but you ought not rub it in.
Amazing find. I had no idea they are worth so much. Do you have to use the walkthrough or rarities service level?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WYIUFsrNF2I
Well, that is disappointing. I was going to treat my wife to a fabulous dinner at a local authentic Italian restaurant, The Olive Garden, but now it has to be hotdogs and Big Gulps from our local Seven/Eleven.
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