he is excited for coins that is a start, it is easy to look at price guides and convince one's self that you have the jackpot when you are not technical enough to know the difference. His certainty, most likely speaks to a vulnerability and he most likely needs the money and has mentally started spending it and the board ripping at his naivety is reinforcing his low self esteem and dashing his dream of recovery though windfall. He will learn some lessons the hard way, we don't need to rub in the inevitable.
Mixed into the snark you have received opinions from some field leaders which is never wise to blow off even if some of them too had snark. Ill tell you exactly what you have, 20$-22$ (for the sliders) wholesale each that you most likely paid 25-40$ each for. Every dollar above 32 you paid was excess over retail. Tourist overhead we used to call it when coins were sold above B&M levels at Antique malls, tourist areas or anywhere that looked for spontaneous buys from foot traffic,
If you are looking to make money on coins like anything it is made on the buy side not the sell side. find a source of those 32$ dollars for less than that and mature an outlet for them at retail is what you should focus on. The hope of finding a undervalued gem in a sea of maximized transactions requires a deeper understanding of the market than the avg sellers. That could be the market as a whole or a specialization. That said you appear to be drawn to early 20th Cen Proofs by no doubt their massive spreads between the reg coins, those waters are patrolled by sharks and whales who don't use luck or hope as strategies
What did the coins cost you?
Where did you get them specifically?
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
@Crypto said:
he is excited for coins that is a start, it is easy to look at price guides and convince one's self that you have the jackpot when you are not technical enough to know the difference. His certainty, most likely speaks to a vulnerability and he most likely needs the money and has mentally started spending it and the board ripping at his naivety is reinforcing his low self esteem and dashing his dream of recovery though windfall. He will learn some lessons the hard way, we don't need to rub in the inevitable.
Mixed into the snark you have received opinions from some field leaders which is never wise to blow off even if some of them too had snark. Ill tell you exactly what you have, 20$-22$ (for the sliders) wholesale each that you most likely paid 25-40$ each for. Every dollar above 32 you paid was excess over retail. Tourist overhead we used to call it when coins were sold above B&M levels at Antique malls, tourist areas or anywhere that looked for spontaneous buys from foot traffic,
If you are looking to make money on coins like anything it is made on the buy side not the sell side. find a source of those 32$ dollars for less than that and mature an outlet for them at retail is what you should focus on. The hope of finding a undervalued gem in a sea of maximized transactions requires a deeper understanding of the market than the avg sellers. That could be the market as a whole or a specialization. That said you appear to be drawn to early 20th Cen Proofs by no doubt their massive spreads between the reg coins, those waters are patrolled by sharks and whales who don't use luck or hope as strategies
sorry, TLDR but good luck with your autobiography!
How much did the 1921 peace dollars cost you?
And where did you get them specifically?
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
@Crypto said:
he is excited for coins that is a start, it is easy to look at price guides and convince one's self that you have the jackpot when you are not technical enough to know the difference. His certainty, most likely speaks to a vulnerability and he most likely needs the money and has mentally started spending it and the board ripping at his naivety is reinforcing his low self esteem and dashing his dream of recovery though windfall. He will learn some lessons the hard way, we don't need to rub in the inevitable.
Mixed into the snark you have received opinions from some field leaders which is never wise to blow off even if some of them too had snark. Ill tell you exactly what you have, 20$-22$ (for the sliders) wholesale each that you most likely paid 25-40$ each for. Every dollar above 32 you paid was excess over retail. Tourist overhead we used to call it when coins were sold above B&M levels at Antique malls, tourist areas or anywhere that looked for spontaneous buys from foot traffic,
If you are looking to make money on coins like anything it is made on the buy side not the sell side. find a source of those 32$ dollars for less than that and mature an outlet for them at retail is what you should focus on. The hope of finding a undervalued gem in a sea of maximized transactions requires a deeper understanding of the market than the avg sellers. That could be the market as a whole or a specialization. That said you appear to be drawn to early 20th Cen Proofs by no doubt their massive spreads between the reg coins, those waters are patrolled by sharks and whales who don't use luck or hope as strategies
sorry, TLDR but good luck with your autobiography!
Not surprising, you clearly haven't read much in your life. Can you even state the difference between a Proof and a business strike coin? What are the differences and how are they manufactured, because without that knowledge what qualifies you to declare them something other than hope. If you did you would realize that VF coins have much of what makes a proof a proof worn away and without smoking gun die diagnostics they will never be accepted as such by the market. Regardless that the coins you have show have diagnostics that prove they aren't. People know the specific Die pairs of the small handful of proof Peace dollars.
Only a couple of possibilities smart guy
1) you are so uniquely smartest that you found 3 winning Powerball tickets with similar probability to actual Powerball winners and the board of senior coin guys are all just so jealous of your smartest that they are lying
2) Or you're an idiot who out of desperation has amassed a pile of common bullion and has talked himself into some miraculous get rich scheme devoid of logic and other people buying into your delusion.
If you are 1/100th as smart as you think you are you should see which side all the bets are coming in on. If they even had a shot at being real, dealers would be reaching out to you offering to "help" get them graded and sold so they could get a cut of the action....to you know help pay their bills. People will overlook the client being an idiot jerk when there is money to be made. How many PMs have you gotten? If you weren't going to take advice + answers why did you ask
@lermish said:
He first finds one of <20 proof 1922 Peace Dollars and now one of 8 proof 1921 Peace Dollars. What are the chances?
No need to pile on but jeez...
Approximately 1 in 125,810 to find the 1921. It seems you're 8.222 times more likely to be struck by lighting in your lifetime than to find one Proof 1921.
I gotta start looking out for lightning now I guess.
@mon1ck said:
I guess yall don't wanna see my recent 21 peace proof purchase
Correct
ahhhhhhh well too bad and you can save your "expert" opinions too. Bring on the memes and talk of my muscles tho.
photoshop goes hard frfr
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Crypto you posted:
"Only a couple of possibilities smart guy
1) you are so uniquely smartest that you found 3 winning Powerball tickets with similar probability to actual Powerball winners and the board of senior coin guys are all just so jealous of your smartest that they are lying
2) Or you're an idiot who out of desperation has amassed a pile of common bullion and has talked himself into some miraculous get rich scheme devoid of logic and other people buying into your delusion."
There's one other possibility.
3) He's simply a troll and nothing more.
If y'all stop responding to what he posts this all ends.
Remember what mama told you about feeding strays? If you feed them they keep coming around.
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
@JayDubya said:
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
Yup, we need to have a standard for these types of things.
If OP is unwilling to tell you what he paid for the coins, or where they got them... don't engage. If they aren't willing to give up the information we shouldn't be willing to give them our opinions.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
@mon1ck said:
I know this because I used the same exact method to figure out that the 1908 $2.5 I sent in, is the PR67+ that just popped up on CoinFacts. If you want to see those photos too, I will gladly show you!
Congrats! That's like a close to six figure score! Tell you what, when you show us the picture of that in your hand I'll send you an extra $1,000 to help recoup all the time and effort that you put into your authentication process.
This whole thread reminds me of a recent thread/eBay situation. Unfortunately, the mods deleted the thread from DevilDogCoin but he had what he thought was a chopmarked, MS 75-P trade dollar. He listed it on eBay as such and asked for $15k. I would immediately pay more than $15k for such a coin. He then sent it in to PCGS and realized his error; it was actually a MS64 1875-S/CC. He still wanted $15k which I would still happily pay for such a coin.
After looking at pics of the unholdered coin he used on eBay, I told him the coin was cleaned (probably polished), and not an MS64, he said this:
My grandfather had this coin since WW2, it was always nice. He kept it in a sleeve in his wallet and he would wash it when he washed his hands. He is deceased now so I can't ask him why the coin is cleaned or has it been cleaned. However it was never washed with chemicals or abrasive's or anything of that nature. Soap and Water and Towel. He was a Marine and a coin collector, but he loved that coin and being a Marine myself we like things clean.
The coin of course came back XF details and in terrible shape. Things went sideways (as they did here) but he eventually lowered his asking price a bit once reality sank in. This is the "MS64" coin:
Anyway, there was no convincing him until he paid $1700 in grading fees to PCGS (I think because he put the insurance value for shipping at $100k). Hopefully @mon1ck 's delusion can be similarly lifted once he gets the bad news. Probably not though...he'll just insist that PCGS is wrong, we're wrong, coins got switched, etc etc.
It would be sad if @mon1ck wasn't so aggressive while being so wrong. At this point, it's just entertainment and schadenfreude.
sorry, TLDR but good luck with your autobiography!
@mon1ck said:
Fairy tales and moon beams article reference #2 “Lack of attention”
Pay attention to the exact shapes of shading in the red outlined boxes, the way I realized my 1908 was a proof uses the exact same method. There is not only one diagnostic when comparing two coins. PCGS also Photoshops their coins a little by inverting colors and smoothing blemishes while imaging. I know this because I used the same exact method to figure out that the 1908 $2.5 I sent in, is the PR67+ that just popped up on CoinFacts. If you want to see those photos too, I will gladly show you! That’s in the encapsulation phase right now, but don’t worry I will let you guys know as soon as they come in, too. Please understand when I say pay attention to every minute detail, because who knows how many proofs you have overlooked in a coin shop? I never meant to be a troll, I was merely trying to document my discoveries to, what I thought was, the right audience.
Sorry, forgot to mention how the date is thicker on the left, possibly but not 100% sure, due to the experimentation of relief, but that one is just an educated guess based on the months of articles I have been reading about proofs, and how to identify them.
@JayDubya said:
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
Yup, we need to have a standard for these types of things.
If OP is unwilling to tell you what he paid for the coins, or where they got them... don't engage. If they aren't willing to give up the information we shouldn't be willing to give them our opinions.
There’s no point in asking what he paid or where he got the coins. Because whatever he might answer, they aren’t what he claims. No need to ask a question if the answer doesn’t matter and/or you can’t trust that you’ll receive an honest reply.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@mon1ck doesn't it strike you as even a little bit strange that your dealer source 1) has a seemingly steady stream of exceedingly rare material, and 2) lacks the ability to recognize what it is, despite being in the business?
@mirabela said: @mon1ck doesn't it strike you as even a little bit strange that your dealer source 1) has a seemingly steady stream of exceedingly rare material, and 2) lacks the ability to recognize what it is, despite being in the business?
Do you actually think he’s sincere in his posting and not a troll? I sure don’t.
Either way, I haven’t seen any hint of anyone being able to reason with him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MsMorrisine said:
no you guys are getting trolled
I think most of us are aware. It's just sport to see how far the OP carries his trolling along with watching his style and methods.
He is a circus dog and we the spectators.
@JayDubya said:
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
Yup, we need to have a standard for these types of things.
If OP is unwilling to tell you what he paid for the coins, or where they got them... don't engage. If they aren't willing to give up the information we shouldn't be willing to give them our opinions.
There’s no point in asking what he paid or where he got the coins. Because whatever he might answer, they aren’t what he claims. No need to ask a question if the answer doesn’t matter and/or you can’t trust that you’ll receive an honest reply.
That was the point of me asking. To show that he is just yanking everyone around. Most people freely volunteer the information we need. This guy just spins yarn he know will annoy people.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
@JayDubya said:
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
Yup, we need to have a standard for these types of things.
If OP is unwilling to tell you what he paid for the coins, or where they got them... don't engage. If they aren't willing to give up the information we shouldn't be willing to give them our opinions.
There’s no point in asking what he paid or where he got the coins. Because whatever he might answer, they aren’t what he claims. No need to ask a question if the answer doesn’t matter and/or you can’t trust that you’ll receive an honest reply.
That was the point of me asking. To show that he is just yanking everyone around. Most people freely volunteer the information we need. This guy just spins yarn he know will annoy people.
But we don’t “need” such information - it has no bearing on what the coins are. Even if you got answers, that wouldn’t make the poster less of a troll or enlighten those who think he’s sincere.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@mirabela said: @mon1ck doesn't it strike you as even a little bit strange that your dealer source 1) has a seemingly steady stream of exceedingly rare material, and 2) lacks the ability to recognize what it is, despite being in the business?
Do you actually think he’s sincere in his posting and not a troll? I sure don’t.
Either way, I haven’t seen any hint of anyone being able to reason with him.
To be completely honest, I haven't been sure. I see why one would suspect this ... but this is such a weird little niche community to bother with like that. Is it possible somebody actually finds entertainment in such annoyance? Taken as a series, these threads contain a pretty good distillation of some of the dopey kinds of things that sometimes happen here. It's decent performing, if that's what it is.
@lermish said:
Anyway, there was no convincing him until he paid $1700 in grading fees to PCGS (I think because he put the >insurance value for shipping at $100k).
What was the coin ultimately worth, cleaned, detailed, whatever ?
@lermish said:
Anyway, there was no convincing him until he paid $1700 in grading fees to PCGS (I think because he put the >insurance value for shipping at $100k).
What was the coin ultimately worth, cleaned, detailed, whatever ?
It was in an eBay auction with a starting bid of $650 but now looks like the below.
If it were really a XF Details S/CC, full retail in that condition is probably $650 or so. However, to further muddy the waters, I (and several others) think that PCGS badly misattributed the coin. It has zero die markers for the S/CC and the mint mark is badly mispositioned. It's really just a run of the mill 75-S in horrible condition, worth whatever the basal value is for the type. Maybe $150-200?
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Which coin are you referring to ?
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he is excited for coins that is a start, it is easy to look at price guides and convince one's self that you have the jackpot when you are not technical enough to know the difference. His certainty, most likely speaks to a vulnerability and he most likely needs the money and has mentally started spending it and the board ripping at his naivety is reinforcing his low self esteem and dashing his dream of recovery though windfall. He will learn some lessons the hard way, we don't need to rub in the inevitable.
Mixed into the snark you have received opinions from some field leaders which is never wise to blow off even if some of them too had snark. Ill tell you exactly what you have, 20$-22$ (for the sliders) wholesale each that you most likely paid 25-40$ each for. Every dollar above 32 you paid was excess over retail. Tourist overhead we used to call it when coins were sold above B&M levels at Antique malls, tourist areas or anywhere that looked for spontaneous buys from foot traffic,
If you are looking to make money on coins like anything it is made on the buy side not the sell side. find a source of those 32$ dollars for less than that and mature an outlet for them at retail is what you should focus on. The hope of finding a undervalued gem in a sea of maximized transactions requires a deeper understanding of the market than the avg sellers. That could be the market as a whole or a specialization. That said you appear to be drawn to early 20th Cen Proofs by no doubt their massive spreads between the reg coins, those waters are patrolled by sharks and whales who don't use luck or hope as strategies
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
What did the coins cost you?
Where did you get them specifically?
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
This is elite level rage bait. Gotta respect the grind.
Respect the Sandler !
It's all about what the people want...
Correct
How much did the 1921 peace dollars cost you?
And where did you get them specifically?
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
We want to see the PCGS submission results you promised.
He first finds one of <20 proof 1922 Peace Dollars and now one of 8 proof 1921 Peace Dollars. What are the chances?
No need to pile on but jeez...
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Not surprising, you clearly haven't read much in your life. Can you even state the difference between a Proof and a business strike coin? What are the differences and how are they manufactured, because without that knowledge what qualifies you to declare them something other than hope. If you did you would realize that VF coins have much of what makes a proof a proof worn away and without smoking gun die diagnostics they will never be accepted as such by the market. Regardless that the coins you have show have diagnostics that prove they aren't. People know the specific Die pairs of the small handful of proof Peace dollars.
Only a couple of possibilities smart guy
1) you are so uniquely smartest that you found 3 winning Powerball tickets with similar probability to actual Powerball winners and the board of senior coin guys are all just so jealous of your smartest that they are lying
2) Or you're an idiot who out of desperation has amassed a pile of common bullion and has talked himself into some miraculous get rich scheme devoid of logic and other people buying into your delusion.
If you are 1/100th as smart as you think you are you should see which side all the bets are coming in on. If they even had a shot at being real, dealers would be reaching out to you offering to "help" get them graded and sold so they could get a cut of the action....to you know help pay their bills. People will overlook the client being an idiot jerk when there is money to be made. How many PMs have you gotten? If you weren't going to take advice + answers why did you ask
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
Approximately 1 in 125,810 to find the 1921. It seems you're 8.222 times more likely to be struck by lighting in your lifetime than to find one Proof 1921.
I gotta start looking out for lightning now I guess.
photoshop goes hard frfr
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Heres what the real deal looks like. Owned by @Floridafacelifter
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I was pulling for you.
Keep looking, you will hit a home run.
Alot of wisdom and experience answered and gave you solid advice.
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Crypto you posted:
"Only a couple of possibilities smart guy
1) you are so uniquely smartest that you found 3 winning Powerball tickets with similar probability to actual Powerball winners and the board of senior coin guys are all just so jealous of your smartest that they are lying
2) Or you're an idiot who out of desperation has amassed a pile of common bullion and has talked himself into some miraculous get rich scheme devoid of logic and other people buying into your delusion."
There's one other possibility.
3) He's simply a troll and nothing more.
If y'all stop responding to what he posts this all ends.
Remember what mama told you about feeding strays? If you feed them they keep coming around.
The solution is simple, stop feeding them.
Yup, we need to have a standard for these types of things.
If OP is unwilling to tell you what he paid for the coins, or where they got them... don't engage. If they aren't willing to give up the information we shouldn't be willing to give them our opinions.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
Congrats! That's like a close to six figure score! Tell you what, when you show us the picture of that in your hand I'll send you an extra $1,000 to help recoup all the time and effort that you put into your authentication process.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
This whole thread reminds me of a recent thread/eBay situation. Unfortunately, the mods deleted the thread from DevilDogCoin but he had what he thought was a chopmarked, MS 75-P trade dollar. He listed it on eBay as such and asked for $15k. I would immediately pay more than $15k for such a coin. He then sent it in to PCGS and realized his error; it was actually a MS64 1875-S/CC. He still wanted $15k which I would still happily pay for such a coin.
After looking at pics of the unholdered coin he used on eBay, I told him the coin was cleaned (probably polished), and not an MS64, he said this:
The coin of course came back XF details and in terrible shape. Things went sideways (as they did here) but he eventually lowered his asking price a bit once reality sank in. This is the "MS64" coin:
Anyway, there was no convincing him until he paid $1700 in grading fees to PCGS (I think because he put the insurance value for shipping at $100k). Hopefully @mon1ck 's delusion can be similarly lifted once he gets the bad news. Probably not though...he'll just insist that PCGS is wrong, we're wrong, coins got switched, etc etc.
It would be sad if @mon1ck wasn't so aggressive while being so wrong. At this point, it's just entertainment and schadenfreude.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
The pot calling the kettle black.
peacockcoins
There’s no point in asking what he paid or where he got the coins. Because whatever he might answer, they aren’t what he claims. No need to ask a question if the answer doesn’t matter and/or you can’t trust that you’ll receive an honest reply.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@mon1ck doesn't it strike you as even a little bit strange that your dealer source 1) has a seemingly steady stream of exceedingly rare material, and 2) lacks the ability to recognize what it is, despite being in the business?
Do you actually think he’s sincere in his posting and not a troll? I sure don’t.
Either way, I haven’t seen any hint of anyone being able to reason with him.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
no you guys are getting trolled
I think most of us are aware. It's just sport to see how far the OP carries his trolling along with watching his style and methods.
He is a circus dog and we the spectators.
peacockcoins
then we need to see more proof of proofs
perhaps @emeraldATV could provide some demonstrations
Atleast we'll always have the kitty. 😹
That was the point of me asking. To show that he is just yanking everyone around. Most people freely volunteer the information we need. This guy just spins yarn he know will annoy people.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
But we don’t “need” such information - it has no bearing on what the coins are. Even if you got answers, that wouldn’t make the poster less of a troll or enlighten those who think he’s sincere.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
To be completely honest, I haven't been sure. I see why one would suspect this ... but this is such a weird little niche community to bother with like that. Is it possible somebody actually finds entertainment in such annoyance? Taken as a series, these threads contain a pretty good distillation of some of the dopey kinds of things that sometimes happen here. It's decent performing, if that's what it is.
What was the coin ultimately worth, cleaned, detailed, whatever ?
It was in an eBay auction with a starting bid of $650 but now looks like the below.
If it were really a XF Details S/CC, full retail in that condition is probably $650 or so. However, to further muddy the waters, I (and several others) think that PCGS badly misattributed the coin. It has zero die markers for the S/CC and the mint mark is badly mispositioned. It's really just a run of the mill 75-S in horrible condition, worth whatever the basal value is for the type. Maybe $150-200?
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
We are talking about a corroded 22P right?
Ya'll are confusing me. LOL
What's going on with the proof 08' 1/4 dollar?
the 1908 quarter eagle thread was locked
shame who chopped the proof T$ omm
if only i had someone who read up on diagnostics of proof T$ including omm. perhaps a book could be written about them
Thank heavens you're back, I was starting to worry that we'd lost our best meme'er for good.
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