Possible 1922P Sandblasted, high relief peace dollar discovered
mon1ck
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As I’m sure you see from the title, I believe I found one of the few that are said to be in the wild. I was actually looking at another 22P because it looked oddly smooth and then I remembered that I had bought this one from a common bin and I bought it because it looked “my chemical romancy” and I had never seen one like that before, then I stored it and forgot about it until the other 22 that was previously mentioned. I examined MCR for like four hours that night, weighed it, and just examined every fine line because I had read that the high relief was the reverse of 21P and luckily I have one for comparison. The next day I took it to my trusted coin dealer to examine it, his initial thought was like everyone else’s, that it looked fake, but it read perfect on his machine and loupe exam and then he was very careful about what he said and told me the only way to know for sure is to get it graded, but before I left, I asked if he agreed with me and he confirmed he did.
I’ll post some pictures and I would love to know your thoughts.
Thanks guys!
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If I were you I would be looking for another coin dealer. I don’t see a proof there but I’m only looking at pics.
Good luck
Pay close attention to the motto and date thickness lines, it appears as if they fit perfectly inside the 21, which is exactly what the reverse is supposed to be, since the reverse has different topography. My attention to detail is impeccable, but I do agree, It is hard to tell from pictures, but even from the four peace pic, toning aside you can tell it just appears different than the others.
the finish was supposed to appear antiquated after sandblasting, I am not certain, but the aesthetics of this coin just struck me, which is why I bought it.
The two rays on the right side of the E are too high and too narrow for the high relief.
It's a regular low relief or a fake.
1922 HR above.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/dollars/peace-dollar/type-1-high-relief/856
1922 regular low relief
Agree fake. The hair extending out is too long, the rays from cap too thin, line in head band wrong and date too thin. Sorry.
What is "chemical romancy"? I am a chemical engineer with 50 years of experience and never heard of the term.
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It means he loves the artificial toning.
It is because it is the reverse if you look at the 21 the lines are thicker because it is the once again reverse meaning that it fits inside of the 21 die. They are concave and convex structures so if you do not understand, I can explain it but once again they are supposed to be thinner because it is the reverse my friend.
I will wait for your snarky comments. Trust me I know they’re coming.
Don’t worry, you guys will be the first I prove wrong, this isn’t just some average schmuck that I had it verified by, and it’s so funny how everyone doesn’t give a crap about anyone else’s coins, but their own, so yeah keep being miserable with your own coins/opinions because trust me, your coins are probably fake too.
Look up sandblasted matte finish at the bottom and then get back to me
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-1-high-relief-sandblasted-antique-finish-j-2018/97382
Here I’ll link you guys since you guys clearly did not know about this.
Btw, constructive criticism is not snarky, IMO. Clean up on isle 4! Peace Roy
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Honestly, I’m just upset with everyone telling me it’s a fake because how can you fake 26.7 and 90/10?
Does it ring the same as the others? Something looks off about it.
Here is a PR25 for comparison. https://coins.ha.com/itm/peace-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1922-1-matte-pr25-pcgs-judd-2019-pcgs-7383-/a/1348-3983.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
I agree with yosclimber about the details that do not match.
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I agree it does look different than any other piece dollar that I’ve ever seen, but I am doing research now on the reverse dies used from 21 to 22 proofs and it is clearly different than my 21 reverse. I can show you some examples. I had read that the 21 reverse die was used on some proofs in low relief so it could be a low relief proof so I just want to pay attention to like the lip structure and size diameter of ray’s and letter, to ensure that one could fit into the other, I confirmed that one of the proofs used the reverse die of 21 meaning the reverse is a different size so all of the diameters will be a different size. Pay close attention to that. I have two pictures. I’m about to bust my 21 out to show the differences side-by-side.
VERY easily. There are many, many, many fakes with correct weights and purities.
Here's a fake gold coin that is really 90% gold that is currently on the front page -> https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1111896/update-back-from-grading-1901s-10-liberty-from-an-estate#latest
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Annnnyways here is the side-by-side, and yes, I have an article saying that it is more likely lower relief, which is still a proof, and it also is a proof and they do exist.
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/10361/Face-Value-1922-Peace-Dollar/
Pay close attention to how the shapes appear to fit into one another on every single structure of the coin, if you truly have an eye for detail, you can see what I’m talking about. Look at the detached Ray on the 22 and the slot where it would go in on the 21, almost as if it would envelop it.
Also, you want to know our thoughts and then flip out like a child when you're given TWO opinions, without snark, that don't agree with yours? The only question is whether you'll get tired of insulting everyone before you get banned. In the mean time, do these look identical?
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I understand that you're a little upset with what's been said. We're just trying to help, and there are a lot of members here that are some of the most knowledgeable collectors in the Hobby.
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He found a Peace Dollar he thought was a proof. He devoted substantial. effort to proving that the coin is a proof. He succeeded in doing so.
I’m going to say no they do not because they clearly do not, and you can see whatever metal is on the left side is flaking or rusting or something. The left is clearly a fake on the right is mine.
Please accept my apology, but the only reason why I am getting so upset is because I’ve had it checked out by a couple people, and I am not an amateur either. Can you do that choppy picture thing with the 21 and the 22 side-by-side to prove that the 22 is the reverse please
Looks like it might be two 1964 Kennedy SMS Specimen halves disguising themselves as a 1922 proof $.
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Now do the comparisons with the 20> @BuffaloIronTail said:
I value your levelheaded response thank you. I will proceed with doing so as well, and I agree it is not a high relief. It is a low relief reverse of 21 adverse which it does exist in very very small quantities and I would agree I would think that the odds are stacked against me, but I am extensively, examining pictures as the coin is currently at PCGS, and I literally can’t find any other solution than it is one of those proofs.
Here is the link to the proof I believe it is notice the lines, they are thinner, and it is the reverse of 21.
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-1-matte-finish-low-relief/7384
Here is a comparison of the tiara zoomed up, and I don’t know who can deny this now.
Send it in if you're so sure. We'll be waiting for the results.
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Bro, I literally just apologized for being a dick. Do not start it again… say congrats, that you’re jealous and move on with your life now please.
My apologies to you as well, move on
The left is this coin that you provided the link to!
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-1-high-relief-sandblasted-antique-finish-j-2018/97382
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Which means what my friend?
That’s because it is the reverse of the obverse not the reverse, this is real time educational stuff for me as well, brother, so I would appreciate you not attacking me as I am just an amateur such as yourself
Why not just send it in for grading?> @lermish said:
Your attention to detail is impeccable.
If you think these are identical, you either need to learn about coins, glasses, or mental help.
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The coin you just said is clearly a fake is the real example you provided the link to on coinfacts. And your coin does not match it.
I can't believe I already wasted 5 minutes on this stupid thread. What's the point.
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Isn't it pretty clear at this point that the OP is beyond help? I can't be the only one thinking that the solution is to let the trolls starve of attention.
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I was thinking the OP was fishing for a fight, which he got.
I see no reason to believe this is a sandblasted HR.
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I have one identical to the OP.
How cool there are now two sand blasted 1922 Peace dollars now known.
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Your coin is a business strike. I've held the 1921 matte proof in hand, this one just doesn't look whatsoever like a proof coin at all.
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lermish: you're as thick as two short plonks!
mon1ck: Planks!!
lemish: You're welcome!
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The rays don't match at the start as others have posted.
When I was…a young boy…my father took me into the city…to see the coin in hand…he said “son when you grow up…would you be the savior of well worn, the beat up and the damaged?”…he said “Will you defeat them? Your demons, and all the non-believers, with the proofs that you have made?”
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True. An amateur would normally have some knowledge and ability.
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