A National Day of Mourning
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and state funeral for Jimmy Carter have been scheduled for January 9, 2025.
That happens to coincide with the opening of the 2025 Winter FUN convention, as well as the release of the 2025-W Proof ASE.
Anyone have any thoughts on whether anything is going to be moved as a result?
My prediction is that nothing on the FUN side is going to move, due to logistics, even at the risk of disrespecting the death of a former American president. Likely nothing more than a moment of silence at the FUN opening ceremony to mark the occasion.
OTOH, I cannot see the Mint going forward with a commercial product release on such an occasion, while most of the federal government is shut down for the day. For the same reason, I also do not think the Mint is going to send staff to run a booth at a trade show while most of the federal government is shut down in observance of a federal Day of Mourning.
As a result, I predict the release of the Proof ASE, and accompanying 2025 Congratulations Set, gets pushed to January 10th, while the Mint booth at the FUN show sits empty on January 9th. Anyone agree or disagree? @jmlanzaf? I'm throwing you a softball here! 😀
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Why? No big deal imo.
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Good guesses. I would like to buy one of those proofs though, I like that date 2525!
I dunno. I think the death of a former president IS kind of a big deal, given how rarely it happens.
The federal government will be shut down for the day to mark the occasion. A state funeral will be taking place in DC. The stock will shut down in observance.
As I recall from the last few last times, when Ford, Reagan, Bush 41, etc. died, it's treated like a federal holiday, and many businesses shut down in observance to allow employees to watch the proceedings live on TV. In fact, I'm pretty sure the reason they announce it this far out is to allow businesses to make plans, either to shut down or not, and to communicate the decision to staff.
I understand all of that pales in comparison to an eagerly anticipated annual coin show, and the annual release of the oh so popular proof ASE. 😀
But still. That's why I made the thread! To gather points of view, pro and con, as well as to solicit predictions and to get mine down. Early and often.
To be clear, it's 2025, not 2525!! 😀
I saw him at an event in Americus around 2007, he sure had an active life of service. The property in Plains was interesting, maybe they'll turn it into a museum.
Regardless of ones political view or opinion of President Carter's time in office, he was a fine person and a genuinely caring human being.
If I had a can of Billy Beer sitting in the fridge I would take it out, open it up and make a toast to Jimmy Carter. May he RIP.
Agree. And, even if he wasn't, the death of a president is still a big deal.
Nixon resigned in disgrace, and I'm 99.99% sure he also got a state funeral and Day of Mourning. This has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with honoring a former leader of the free world.
I agree 100%.
right now, who cares if it is delayed?
I dunno. Someone who might be planning to hit Orlando on the 9th to be first in line to buy the coins and have them certified FDOI at the show? Anyone planning to go to the show on the 9th if they do decide to cancel the first day out of respect?
I'd imagine lots of things all over the country that were planned for January 9th are going to be delayed. Anyone impacted will probably care. Right now, that's who.
And, given the uncertainty introduced by the situation, hopefully there will be announcements soon, one way or the other. And, in the case of the Mint, that they stick to whatever it is that they first put out. 😀
I think he did. I arrived in Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday April 20, 1994 on an overnight flight and my employer gave us the day off to rest. I was in a local hotel for a few days until we could switch to the Marriott. The only US or English TV channel was CNN International, and they covered him the entire day.
HA your right!! Sorry..!!
They can add a special privy mark to some Silver Eagles and that will make it OK to staff the table on the Day of Mourning.
Actually, it's a fair question, but they work at sbows on weekends I assume. A federal holiday may or may not be similar.
No, a federal holiday is not similar to a weekend. Let alone a national Day of Mourning.
Post offices are open on Saturdays. They were closed in 2018, the last time we had a national Day of Mourning. National parks are open on weekends. I am pretty sure they will be closed next Thursday. Etc. etc., etc.
I do like your idea about the privy mark. Even better will be if they make an announcement, do the opposite, and only tell us a week later. 🤣
I am pretty confident about my prediction regarding the Mint booth. Whether they announce something, or just don't show up on Thursday, and leave us to figure it out for ourselves.
Same with the ASE release. Look for that to be pushed back to the 10th in the next few days. If for no other reason than to allow them to do FDOI sales at the show.
The bigger question for me is whether FUN will actually open next Thursday. On the one hand it's kind of unpatriotic and disrespectful to open on the national Day of Mourning. Especially when it is a multi-day event.
On the other hand, a TON of money, planning, etc. is involved, a week and a half is pretty short notice, and it will inconvenience a TON of people to cut the show short. Which is kind of why I started the thread, to get the conversation going. I can honestly see it going either way, and there are good reasons to justify whatever they decide to do.
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Says volumes about you.
Maybe, but his policies hurt a lot of people with the same high levels of inflation that the country suffered through this past four years. I cannot in good conscience say that someone that puts that level of pain on the citizens of the USA is a "good humanitarian". It says volumes about you that you can.
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Since this thread will go POOF soon, I thought I would make a quick post.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
This thread is bound to be closed for violating Forum rule #3
This is a community, as such, slightly off-topic threads are expected, however, topics such as politics or other "taboo" subjects are not permitted. Should the thread be deemed inflammatory, negative or violate any rules it will be deleted or closed at the moderator's discretion, without warning.
Seriously, I kept my response to your initial post on topic because, while I was no Carter fan, this is not about that.
I also wasn't a Nixon fan. This is about respect for, and honoring of, a former president. Period. They all deserve that, regardless of what any of us of thinks about their politics, policies, personal behavior, etc.
And, specific to this forum and this thread, it's about the FUN show and the Mint release scheduled for January 9th. I REALLY hope everyone can refrain from any posts not related to that, and that the thread does not get poofed.
Because the reason I made the thread is legit, and there are plenty of other places on the internet to engage in political debates.
Man. You really do want to be a mod in the worst way, huh?
Not a single contribution to the thread until now, and this is it.
Thanks. We'd all be lost without you. 🤣🤣🤣
The poof is in the pudding.
I got married when Jimmy Carter was President. May of 1980.
are we mourning the possible sales counter closure?
Stock exchanges will shut down according to the news. Airports won’t close, grocery stores won’t. FUN won’t - FUN club's liability will be off the charts if they shut down for the biggest day of the show. Sure the Mint might not show up, but that is a sideshow to activity on the bourse. There are about 1400 dealers, so you are talking 1400 lawyers suing for major buisness lost……….
As of right now on the FUN Show website updated yesterday:
"The FUN will start again at 10:00 a.m. January 9th, 2025 in Orlando Florida"
You can still get those on the bay.
I don't know about anyone else but if they move the release date to the 10th I may kill myself.
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No trying to make it political just responding to rays attack on me. I suspect that as you wrote previously a moment of silence will be the only impact to the show. I would hope that the mint would not change their plans as I'm sure some collectors have already made plans around this release, but who knows.
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Jimmy lived a remarkable life.
A great humanitarian along along with Hoover.
Ironically both of the unluckiest and derided presidents in history.
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The Mint isn't going to have a choice. It's a federal agency and a national Day of Mourning. They are not going to poop all over that in order to sell a few coins at a trade show. No how, no way.
The online coin release is another story, but I suspect they would move that as well, out of respect for the occasion. As it stands, that decision will make itself, because, if they skip the show on the 9th, they are going to want to move the release date for the coin in order to do FDOI sales on the 10th.
THAT will meet the needs of collectors making plans around the release, although it will inconvenience them by a day. The alternative would be to not move the online release date, have sales begin at right around the same time as the state funeral, AND kill people's ability to make FDOI purchases at the show. Which would actually destroy the whole reason the coin is being released to coincide with the show in the first place. So, again, not gonna happen.
Again, to me, the Mint not showing up is obvious. The stickier juxtaposition for me is the opening of a coin show on a day the country is going to shut down to observe a national Day of Mourning.
As I said in my OP, I suspect they are going to do just that to avoid the inconvenience inherent in cutting the show short at the last minute. The national stock and commodity markets are not too big or important to shut down for a day, but the FUN show must go on!
As others have noted, please don't make this about Carter. This is not a political forum, will only invite opposing points of view, and will be the quickest way to get the thread shut down.
The thread is about the national Day of Mourning potentially impacting the opening of the FUN show and the release of the 2025-W Proof ASE on January 9th. Not a reflection on the life and times of Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover, or anyone else, living or dead.
Please. I am not a mod, nor do I play one on TV, unlike some others among us. I just want to keep the thread going at least until we get some clarity on what is going to happen with the show and the coin. Please.
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Yes, I did see that webpage, and note that they updated it yesterday.
I also note that it says: "The U.S. Mint has confirmed they will be attending the FUN show in January. On Thursday at 12:00 noon they will begin selling the 2025 Proof Eagles." I PROMISE you that is not going to happen on Thursday at 12:00 noon. So I doubt they have actually addressed the issue yet.
When they say "We understand that January 9, 2025, has been declared a national Day of Mourning. Nevertheless, the show will go on as scheduled." I will be satisfied that the question has been answered by them. Until such time, my question remains, and the fact that the website was updated yesterday tells me absolutely nothing.
the fact that the website was updated yesterday tells me absolutely nothing.
If the website is updated tomorrow with the same info will that tell you something? How about if done on Thursday?
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@NJCoin: in the opening post of your thread, you asked what others might think. Here goes:
The show will open as scheduled on the 9th. There will be a pause for a moment of silence either upon, or early after the open.
There will be no mint sales on the 9th, either online or @ FUN. These will commence on the 10th in both venues.
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You were so adamant about it that I couldn't resist quoting it for posterity. 😄
The Mint's website still says they'll be at the show, including opening day. Of course, it might be too soon for any update to appear, so we'll see what happens.
I pulled this from an internet story on the Day of Mourning:
"In accompanying guidance, Office of Personnel Management acting Director Rob Shriver said all federal employees would be excused from duty Jan. 9 “except those who, in the judgment of the head of the agency, cannot be excused for reasons of national security, defense, or other essential public business.”
So, the opportunity for the Mint to be there exists if management wants it to happen.
Let's keep the posts to discussions of coins.
We can all appreciate a President's service to our country, but we don't need to discuss Presidential policies here in a coin forum. Please remember, many folks come here to escape the divisive world of politics. Surely we can all pay homage to a US President whether you agree with his policies or not.
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