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CACG to PCGS crossover…..what are your experiences?

drddmdrddm Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

Sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I was just curious what are people’s experiences, if any, with crossing coins from CACG to PCGS?

Dave

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  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What would the advantage be of spending a grading fee plus an additional 1% of its value for another opinion of its grade and a different looking slab?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2024 2:50PM

    @PaulSack said:
    I've crossed 32 coins so far, all were CACG AU-58.

    Every coin came back from PCGS at least MS-66.

    Cmon....

    Do you have any pictures?

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulSack said:
    I've crossed 32 coins so far, all were CACG AU-58.

    Every coin came back from PCGS at least MS-66.

    It must be your birthday!

    peacockcoins

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:

    @PaulSack said:
    I've crossed 32 coins so far, all were CACG AU-58.

    Every coin came back from PCGS at least MS-66.

    It must be your birthday!

    No, he just mistakenly thought it was April Fools’ day.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why waste the money going from the premier slab to something else> @PaulSack said:

    I've crossed 32 coins so far, all were CACG AU-58.

    Every coin came back from PCGS at least MS-66.

    Sounds believable. :*

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry Doc, I’m moving in the other direction.

    Q: When does a collector become a numismatist?



    A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.



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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks to all that responded, but is there anyone with any actual experiences with such a crossover?

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PaulSack said:
    I've crossed 32 coins so far, all were CACG AU-58.

    Every coin came back from PCGS at least MS-66.

  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey Dave! Do you have any particular concern in mind?

    I have not heard of anyone crossing many coins from CACG to PCGS yet. I suppose it is just too early in the game to get a consistent expectation of results.

    But regardless of labels and stickers, of course it depends on the coin. If the coin in a CACG holder looks like it would cross to PCGS, it'll probably cross to PCGS.

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  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d be very interested to know results of crossing CACG to PCGS and then sending to CAC for stickering. I’ve seen several CACG coins that I would not have expected to sticker at CAC based on lack of eye appeal. I have seen coins with proper technical grades come back with comments that they didn’t sticker because “too dark”, so eye appeal is clearly a factor.

    I could see a good reason for crossing a CACG coin to PCGS in hopes of getting it stickered as my sense is that the market still values PCGS CAC more than CACG in general.

  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To clarify, I’m especially interested kn the results of non-legacy crossovers.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe I read that JA said he has backed off darker coins that he earlier passed because the technical grade was solid. So we may see some inconsistency between legacy and non-legacy coins, etc.

  • ad4400ad4400 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2024 10:26AM

    I have a sample size of one, sort of, as it was crack out vs a pure cross. I purchased a 1919 SLQ as CACG 64, sent it to PCGS so I could add it to my registry set. PCGS gave it a 65.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ad4400 said:
    I have a sample size of one, sort of, as it was crack out vs a pure cross. I purchased a 1919 SLQ as CACG 64, sent it to PCGS so I could add it to my registry set. PCGS gave it a 65.

    Which photo is closer to the actual appearance, the cheek in particular? Nice upgrade. I suspect upgrades are the motive in many cases, in addition to registry considerations. The registry is quite the motivator considering the financial and other risks.

  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ad4400 said:
    I have a sample size of one, sort of, as it was crack out vs a pure cross. I purchased a 1919 SLQ as CACG 64, sent it to PCGS so I could add it to my registry set. PCGS gave it a 65.

    Interesting. Thanks for sharing this “crossover”. Do you have plans of trying to get a CAC sticker on it now as a PCGS 65?

    Dave

  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jacrispies said:
    Hey Dave! Do you have any particular concern in mind?

    I have not heard of anyone crossing many coins from CACG to PCGS yet. I suppose it is just too early in the game to get a consistent expectation of results.

    But regardless of labels and stickers, of course it depends on the coin. If the coin in a CACG holder looks like it would cross to PCGS, it'll probably cross to PCGS.

    No specific concerns at this time @jacrispies. Was just curious about this type of crossover and how PCGS views CACG coins, but of course each coin is different and obviously the results are solely dependent on the coin itself.

    Dave

  • ad4400ad4400 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too answer the two questions"

    The CACG image is closer. The head and check sharpness are much better on the CACG image, and the TV suffers as all TVs do of having that yellowish tint. In hand the non-toned areas are pretty brilliant, with the CACG images reflects much better.

    I do not have intentions of getting the coin stickered as I see it residing in my personal set for years to come.

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This might revive the cottage industry that started with the initial slabbing of raw coins in the 1980s.... the guys with sharp eyes picking out the CACG coins that will likely upgrade at PCGS

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CommemDude said:
    This might revive the cottage industry that started with the initial slabbing of raw coins in the 1980s.... the guys with sharp eyes picking out the CACG coins that will likely upgrade at PCGS

    Even if an upgrade lowers the value?

    The real issue isn't the number, it's the market value. It's a losing proposition if you pay to go from 64 to 65 and a CAC64 sells for the same as a PCGS 65.

    I think it is too soon to tell.

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