CAC Submission: Guess the results * Results are Back *

Avocet · October 24, 2024 4:27PM

I have sent several CAC submissions over the years. While my ability to predict what may sticker may have gotten a little better, the main lesson that I have learned is that accurately predicting the outcome of a review is tough. Similarly, previous GTG exercises on this forum sometimes prove tough, but estimating CAC verification seems harder. Whenever I put together a submission to CAC, I usually get together with my collector and dealer friends to make predictions, and we appreciate the learning experience that follows.

As others have done on the forum in the past, it may be interesting to ask folks to guess the outcome of sticking / verification for the following submissions. I have recently come across these coins from a collector who sent them to PCGS; they have never been to CAC. These coins are not my typical collecting area, but each has been a quality fill for my broader collection.

I believe only some of these coins will be stickered, and I predict that two may succeed.

I know that in-hand inspection is needed to make the best assessment, but please guess for those who would like to take a stab from these tru-views.

I will post the results once the coins return from NJ in a few days.

Thanks for taking a look and for your comments about these coins.

I am particularly excited about the 1810 1c BN and hope it will pass.

I was inspired by @renomedphys recent post. There are many great coins out there that don't pass for various reasons.

asheland · October 24, 2024 4:33PM

Yes, to all except for:

No to the $.20 piece
No to the barber dime

I love that large cent!

lermish · October 24, 2024 5:00PM

No
No
Yes
No
Yes
Yes

Edit: Unfortunately with the TV quality, it's impossible to determine luster and true coloring but I gave it my best shot.

constitutional_halve · October 24, 2024 5:02PM

@asheland said:
Yes, to all except for:

No to the $.20 piece
No to the barber dime

Agreed.

On the fence about the SLD. I can't tell what the surfaces are like with that TV

1madman · October 24, 2024 5:04PM

I think the merc will green sticker. No to all the others.

I personally think several of these would details grade if sent to cacg, but maybe the trueviews are the culprit still

Avocet · October 24, 2024 5:21PM

@1madman said:
I think the merc will green sticker. No to all the others.

I personally think several of these would details grade if sent to cacg, but maybe the trueviews are the culprit still

I agree with the details potential, especially for one of these. The true views are an obstacle here for sure, as the luster, among other features, is hard to assess.

jacrispies · October 24, 2024 5:21PM

@1madman said:
I think the merc will green sticker. No to all the others.

I personally think several of these would details grade if sent to cacg, but maybe the trueviews are the culprit still

These were my exact thoughts. Not entirely outstanding coins. Mercury looks decent and has a chance.

logger7 · October 24, 2024 5:28PM

Personally I don't see much eye appeal except in the Shield Nickel, the 20c quarter for the grade and the Mercury dime. I'd think they make a rigorous analysis where a coin on the edge may pass with them a grade or two lower but sometimes not due to surface issues.

JBN · October 24, 2024 5:33PM

I hope your 1810 gets stickered.
My guess is the 41-S dime and the shield nickel get stickers.
Thanks for the thread.

Coinscratch · October 24, 2024 5:34PM

I like numbers 1, 2, and 6 for approval.

privatecoin · October 24, 2024 6:38PM

No
No
Yes
No
No
Yes

coinbuf · October 24, 2024 6:46PM

I am in the no to all but the merc, on the fence for the shield nickel but think it will fail.

ProofCollection · October 24, 2024 7:02PM

No
No
No
No
No
Yes

cheezhed · October 25, 2024 7:05AM

No guess but I’m interested in the results.

pcgscacgold · October 25, 2024 7:13AM

I will guess just the Merc received a bean.

hummingbird_coins · October 25, 2024 7:16AM

First 3 green second 3 no (would be yes for the mercury dime but I think I might see a wheel mark on obverse)

Shurke · October 25, 2024 8:07AM

I'll guess yes for the Merc and the shield nickel.

CRHer700 · October 25, 2024 9:05AM

Yes to 2,3, and 6.

johnny010 · October 25, 2024 2:12PM

These are tougher for me.

slider23 · October 25, 2024 2:31PM

yes
no
yes
no
no
yes

shish · October 25, 2024 2:49PM

Maybe
No
No
No
No
Yes

MICHAELDIXON · October 25, 2024 2:55PM

NO
Yes
Yes
No
No
Yes

braddick · October 25, 2024 2:55PM

Perhaps.
I don't know.
Could be.
Maybe not.
That's a tough one.
Good chance.

johnny010 · October 25, 2024 3:36PM

@braddick said:
Perhaps.
I don't know.
Could be.
Maybe not.
That's a tough one.
Good chance.

About how I felt
1) no
2) maybe-ish
3). I say no but I could see it just has that look
4) please no
5) no
6) idk

cameonut2011 · October 25, 2024 4:09PM

No - damage at 7:00; possible corrosion at 11:00 under the star
No - surfaces look rather dull and lack luster;
Maybe - the luster must carry the coin and confirm that all of the flatness is from a weak strike (some of it clearly is) as opposed to wear
No - dipped out, possible old cleaning
No - obverse hairlines
Yes

Avocet · October 25, 2024 5:41PM

@braddick said:
Perhaps.
I don't know.
Could be.
Maybe not.
That's a tough one.
Good chance.

I love how you addressed this-- were you listening in to my conversation with my buddy @asheland ?

.. · October 25, 2024 5:52PM

1 yes….love that coin!
2 yes
3 no
4 no
5 no
6 maybe

Good luck!

johnny010 · October 28, 2024 7:40PM

@Avocet

Looking for your update once you get back from NJ.

BloodMan · October 28, 2024 8:09PM

No
No
Yes
No
No
Yes

pursuitofliberty · October 28, 2024 8:34PM

Put me in for

No
No
Yes
No
No
Yes

Will be interesting to see. I'm on the fence on 1. (because I don't know how JA does copper) and 2. (50/50 in my eyes).

I am also sending in a group and may have to put some in a thread like this.

oreville · October 29, 2024 5:37AM

@shish said:
Maybe
No
No
No
No
Yes

My thinking exactly but I have not had my morning coffee yet.

TPRC · October 29, 2024 8:47AM

yes
yes
yes
no
no
yes

marcmoish · October 29, 2024 1:26PM

sorry not more positive, but no to all except the Merc, last one.

Avocet · October 29, 2024 3:58PM

@pursuitofliberty said:
Put me in for

No
No
Yes
No
No
Yes

Will be interesting to see. I'm on the fence on 1. (because I don't know how JA does copper) and 2. (50/50 in my eyes).

I am also sending in a group and may have to put some in a thread like this.

I hope you consider making a similar thread with your submission -- the discussion and comments helps me with the learning process.....

HillbillyCollector · October 29, 2024 4:03PM

So, here goes:
>
Maybe- Don’t know much about copper.
No
Yes
No
No
Yes

BenjaminTo · October 30, 2024 11:10AM

IMO, yes to 2,3,6 No, 1: hit on the face 4: needs liberty word 5: looks cleaned

davewesen · October 30, 2024 11:25AM

No to shield nickel, yes to the rest with Mercury getting a GOLD

hummingbird_coins · October 30, 2024 11:52AM

@NormB said:
IMO, yes to 2,3,6 No, 1: hit on the face 2: needs liberty word 5: looks cleaned

you mean 4 not 2 needs complete liberty right?

BenjaminTo · October 30, 2024 2:08PM

@hummingbird_coins said:

@NormB said:
IMO, yes to 2,3,6 No, 1: hit on the face 2: needs liberty word 5: looks cleaned

you mean 4 not 2 needs complete liberty right?

thanks for notice, yes, i mean 4

Avocet · October 31, 2024 11:02AM

Still no word from NJ, but hopefully soon.

Here are my guesses for these coins.

1: No
2: No
3: Yes
4: No
5: No
6: Yes

If these were to go to the Grading team, I suspect that CAC grading may designate the Barber and 20C as details, and maybe even others. It will be interesting to see what they do. The 1810 !c is my favorite of this lineup, and I have cautious hope on that one, but I think they will decline it.

Avocet · November 5, 2024 7:34AM

My apologies to those awaiting an update regarding the CAC submission— the results have just returned! The process took longer than anticipated, and I believe the results will not surprise many of you.

Six of our forum members correctly predicted that the Shield Nickel and the Merc would pass while all others would fail. I also predicted that Nickel and Merc would be the only ones stickered, but I had the opportunity to inspect these coins in-hand. I had high hopes for the 1c, but it was a no-go. I wish I had comments from JA about the assessment, which would significantly enhance the learning experience.

Thank you to all of you for your comments and thoughts on this thread!

Torey · November 5, 2024 7:52AM

@Avocet Mind sharing how many days it took? Just sent off a group of 20 and am curious about the wait times.

Avocet · November 5, 2024 9:01AM

@Torey said:
@Avocet Mind sharing how many days it took? Just sent off a group of 20 and am curious about the wait times.

Hi Torey -- the process took about 7 business days, which wasn't bad. This was not an express or walkthrough level submission....

ProofCollection · November 5, 2024 9:25AM

My recent stickering subs took about that long as well. If they arrive early in the week, you should have results by the end of the following week based on my experience.

pursuitofliberty · November 5, 2024 10:11AM

Thanks for doing this thread @Avocet , and also for sharing your results

MICHAELDIXON · November 8, 2024 7:44PM

I thought the half dime was going to sticker!

Avocet · November 8, 2024 8:36PM

@MICHAELDIXON said:
I thought the half dime was going to sticker!

Something. about the luster and toning put me on the fence for the half dime,,,,

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