1909-S-VDB Lincoln Cent.......
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Looks like it was in a pair of sidecuts.
On second thought, both sides aren't incused.
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I’m not buying that as a genuine coin. The mint mark looks off to me and the details look fuzzy.
Not genuine; not a match for any of the 4 genuine mint mark positions:
https://www.ngccoin.in/resources/counterfeit-detection/top/united-states/1/
I'm guessing someone defaced it because it's counterfeit.
It's genuine. What a rotten thing to do to a Key Coin.
Pete
Nope.
Not genuine.
The shape of the mint mark looks odd. Maybe just the images but the wear pattern also looks odd.
MM added?
that's my guess.
bob
The whole coin looks bad to me.
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The Chinese are mass producing struck key-date coins. This is one of them. Whoever bought it probably discovered it was fake and then mutilated it to keep someone else from being fooled.
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It is not a match for any of the genuine mint mark positions.
the vdb is wrong for an added mm
added mintmark so it dosnt matter
bogus
So now the question is, well ICG slab it as a counterfeit?
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I vote "fake".
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The S mint mark is missing the little dot at the base of the upper loop.
- Bob -
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Great diagnostic tool. Looks like the dot is present on all of the genuine known S mint mark positions. Never knew that dot existed and thank you for sharing this information. Until the counterfeiters learn to incorporate a dot there, I’ll use this as a tool to identify a genuine mint marked 1909-S VDB. And by the way, make you life easier by purchasing only reputable third party graded ‘09s vdb’s!
I would like to have it in a counterfeit slab.
i wouldn't use the dot alone, some mm can be pretty blasted
here's a genuine one from coinfacts
also from coinfacts
note the centered period between the D and B and the diagonal crossbar(?) in the B
there was only 1 reverse die used
https://www.pcgs.com/news/counterfeit-vs-authentic-1909-s-vdb-lincoln-cents
Not a counterfeit slab. A counterfeit coin in a legitimate slab.
real reverse 09s vdb
real reverse 09 vdb
note the "N"... the right notch on the 09s vdb is shallow as compared to the 09 vdb
there are many fakes. you can find good fakes that get past the glance. learn what a genuine cent looks like overall.
I’m glad it’s fake. It would be too painful to see a genuine S-VDB mutilated in that manner.
So here's a closeup of the N. You tell me @MsMorrisine.
looks like a shallow N but that's not the only pick up point
I think the size of the damage reflects the ire of the collector who got got. IMHO
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The 1909-VDB uses both reverses. But the SVDB only uses the shallow, which is always paired with the centered dot.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I think ICG is your only shot at that and I'm not sure if they do modern counterfeits with all the stuff coming from overseas.
Edited to add: You could contact Insider/Skip over on CT and ask him directly.
I think you're right. I contacted ICG and I'm waiting for a reply now on how they would label it.
Thanks, I'll try and contact him. 👍
it looks too good for the typical slop from the website to be unsaid
I know the mintmark is off but surprisingly the VDB is pretty good - the dots might be slightly off????.
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@Steven59 - How about the N in UNITED?
that's why i don't think it's an added mm
could be a created vdb?
Yours is the "shallow" N so that's good!
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I don't know - the S almost looks more like the 003# that the block style 001# which 1909 cents used.
Mintmark 003.........
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