EBay’s Artificial Intelligence Needs to Study Harder

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 1:30AM
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    Wow 😳
    ( what dump was that stored at ? )

  • CircCam
    CircCam Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @johnny9434 said:
    Wow 😳
    ( what dump was that stored at ? )

    The dump where they try to create fake 1807 halves evidently. Perhaps the dumpy condition of the slab might be intentional similar to how counterfeits are purposefully roughed up and made dirty to try and appear more genuine?

    The listing is still up, I wonder how many times it has to be reported for a human to be called to investigate.

    Item No. : 156361293181

  • TxCollector
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    I reported this as well and mentioned that DLRC has an active listing for the real one. Knowing eBay they will probably respond and say that an agent reviewed it and didn’t find it to be in violation.

  • TxCollector
    TxCollector Posts: 487 ✭✭✭✭
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  • Desert Moon
    Desert Moon Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yikes

    My online coin store - https://desertmoonnm.com/
  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Link to listing for others who’d like to report it, please?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • World67
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    edited August 18, 2024 6:56AM
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    @MFeld said:
    Link to listing for others who’d like to report it, please?

    https://ebay.com/itm/156361293181

  • BStrauss3
    BStrauss3 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Manifest_Destiny - you can (and for several reasons should) trim everything from the ? to the end when you post links...

    https://ebay.com/itm/156361293181

    There's enough data in there that likely says to eBay that MD has already reported this and we said it was OK. Stripping the tracking data makes them take a new look.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50+ year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
    Author: 3rd Edition of the SampleSlabs book, https://sampleslabs.info/
  • World67
    World67 Posts: 13,098 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @BStrauss3 said:
    @Manifest_Destiny - you can (and for several reasons should) trim everything from the ? to the end when you post links...

    https://ebay.com/itm/156361293181

    There's enough data in there that likely says to eBay that MD has already reported this and we said it was OK. Stripping the tracking data makes them take a new look.

    Fixed, thanks!

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    auction ended by seller today.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • [Deleted User]
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    It looks like the people in charge at eBay have completely abdicated any oversight and leave everything to the algorithms.

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I see more red flags than a Chinese military parade.
    It is perplexing why eBay didn't either.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @MFeld said:
    Link to listing for others who’d like to report it, please?

    https://ebay.com/itm/156361293181

    Thank you. Reported and message sent to seller earlier.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • vulcanize
    vulcanize Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    On a side note, recd. an e-mail from eBay stating that they are not accepting Amex cards anymore and need to use it through Paypal etc.
    Personally, found that Amex was the best defence against such fraudulent transactions and they would have to scramble to avoid taking a hit.
    Not bought anything on fleabay in quite a while and hoping to keep it that way.

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091

  • World67
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  • Glen2022
    Glen2022 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭✭
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    Maybe the AI needs a higher IQ?

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @vulcanize said:
    On a side note, recd. an e-mail from eBay stating that they are not accepting Amex cards anymore and need to use it through Paypal etc.
    Personally, found that Amex was the best defence against such fraudulent transactions and they would have to scramble to avoid taking a hit.
    Not bought anything on fleabay in quite a while and hoping to keep it that way.

    If you’re hoping to keep it that way, your chances of success are excellent unless you lose your self control.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BStrauss3
    BStrauss3 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've gotten several of those AI responses, followed up by the listing going down < 24h later and a different email.

    I think the AI is the 1st line and some of them get filtered to a human who maybe reads the message.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50+ year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
    Author: 3rd Edition of the SampleSlabs book, https://sampleslabs.info/
  • alaura22
    alaura22 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 12:56PM
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    They make money by selling coins, not by removing coins. They don't care if it's real or fake!

    Mike
    My Indians
    Dansco Set

  • TxCollector
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    @BStrauss3 said:
    I've gotten several of those AI responses, followed up by the listing going down < 24h later and a different email.

    I think the AI is the 1st line and some of them get filtered to a human who maybe reads the message.

    I’ve never had any success with getting a fake removed via the initial email response even when an actual person at eBay has reviewed the listing.

  • ProofCollection
    ProofCollection Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I reported a bunch of raw coins advertised as PCGS coin for misleading title and search manipulation. You guessed it. AI determined the listing was fine in every case.

  • MFeld
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    It appears that eBay did end up removing the listing.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 20, 2024 3:11PM
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    They're running on auto pilot largely now with none of their customer service people actually empowered to take real actions; I'm curious who is really in charge there.

  • jdmern
    jdmern Posts: 327 ✭✭✭
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    Personally, found that Amex was the best defence against such fraudulent transactions and they would have to scramble to avoid taking a hit.>

    A couple of years ago I bought a very expensive piece on eBay ($7-8k) and was sent a weighted empty package. AMEX was able to get resolved quickly, after attempts to straighten it out through the eBay system by myself went absolutely nowhere

    Justin Meunier

    Boardwalk Numismatics

  • Jacques_Loungecoque
    Jacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The artificial is right, but the intelligence is nowhere to be found.

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • anablep
    anablep Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This is troubling. I’m troubled by this.

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

    "Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."


    ~Wayne
  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I am disgusted by them. Especially when I see ads for eBay that lie and say that everything is checked by experts!

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
  • vulcanize
    vulcanize Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @vulcanize said:
    On a side note, recd. an e-mail from eBay stating that they are not accepting Amex cards anymore and need to use it through Paypal etc.
    Personally, found that Amex was the best defence against such fraudulent transactions and they would have to scramble to avoid taking a hit.
    Not bought anything on fleabay in quite a while and hoping to keep it that way.

    If you’re hoping to keep it that way, your chances of success are excellent unless you lose your self control.😉

    LOL.
    Probably go back and try a hand at selling because I have not done that. :wink:

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/quarters/PCGS-2020-quarter-quest/album/247091

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