Strange Quarter

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SOHimself
SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
edited May 30, 2024 12:22PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hello. I'm new here. I've been reading posts on this forum for a while. I find most of them fascinating. Thanks for having me. I'm wondering if anybody can tell me what I'm looking at here. I'm a novice for sure, but from what I could tell it's possibly some sort of damage that happened when it was struck. I'm not sure though at all. I haven't seen much out there regarding this type of thing, although I have seen some.

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  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Oh heck did no pictures come through. I'm sorry. Let me fix that if I can.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Oh Jeepers I know I'm blowing it here. I'm having a hard time getting the images up.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Still trying. I'm usually better at this.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    And:

  • KiwiNumi
    KiwiNumi Posts: 210 ✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2024 10:39PM
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    Interesting coin. I don't think this is post mint damage so you might have something worth a bit. Can you post some pictures of the obverse and more pictures of the reverse from different angles?

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  • TomB
    TomB Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Howdy and welcome. Your images are actually pretty good. I will let others chime in regarding the coin.

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  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Uhg

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Tom B, thank you very much!

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Sorry. TomB.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    KiwiNumi, Yes. Thank you. I'll get right on that.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    I have to take some pictures. I found this in my pocket. I thought it looked odd.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    And thank you for the tip about the gear icon for editing too.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    I will post the different angles tomorrow. It's almost 11:00 p.m. where I am. It'll be easier in the morning and with the daylight. Thanks so much for taking the time to help me.

  • World67
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  • IkesT
    IkesT Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2024 11:51PM
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    .

  • yosclimber
    yosclimber Posts: 5,322 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 29, 2024 11:59PM
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    The obverse looks like a normal circulated quarter.
    The reverse appears to have some raised areas in the upper center.
    My first guess is that these are something like glue, since there are no corresponding depressed areas on the obverse.

  • Greenstang
    Greenstang Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    “some sort of damage that happened when it was struck”
    First of all, if it happened when it was struck, it would be an error, not damage.
    What you have is a damaged coin caused by heat expanding the two layers of the quarter.
    This is considered damage and adds no value to the coin.

  • 291fifth
    291fifth Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    As others have said ... heat damage after it left the mint. No collector value.

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  • Sapyx
    Sapyx Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yep, high heat. Fire, or maybe a blowtorch. The heat causes microscopic gas bubbles between the clad layers to expand literally like a balloon, stretching the metal that had been softened by the heat.

    It's a fairly standard appearance for heat-damaged clad coins.

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  • jmlanzaf
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    @lcutler said:
    Looks to me like the coin has been exposed to heat, causing the outer clad layer to separate and bubble up.

    This would be my guess. Heat damage.

    It's definitely not a minting error.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Here are more pics.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
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    Oh ok. Thank you. Wouldn't the color look different?

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
    edited May 30, 2024 12:45PM
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    I asked Nova, an ai, if a coin was likely to have die failure damage on one side and not affect the other side. And I know that it may just be a generic answer. But that's what got me interested in this particular coin in the first place. Here's what it said:

    It's definitely possible for a coin to have a minting error that affects only one side. This can happen for several reasons:

    • Die damage: As you mentioned, a die (the metal stamp used to create the coin's design) can chip or crack during the minting process. This can lead to an incomplete or distorted image on one side of the coin, while the other side is unaffected.
    • Misalignment: The die might not be perfectly aligned with the blank during the strike. This can cause the design to be off-center, or even to be partially missing on one side.
    • Double strike: Sometimes a blank is accidentally struck twice, resulting in a double-image on one side of the coin. The other side might be unaffected.

    These types of errors are relatively common in coin production, and they can make the affected coins quite valuable to collectors.

    Let me know if you'd like to know more about coin collecting or specific types of minting errors!

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  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
    edited May 30, 2024 12:46PM
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    I did not mean to give Nova a promotional link that was just in the bottom of the message that I pasted in. I apologize. Okay never mind. I edited it out. And I don't know how or if I can delete posts that are obsolete.

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Try to envisioned the minting process. If that lump was on the planchet when struck then the die would never have reached the surface to strike up the design.

    If it was a void in the die then it would look very different (such as you see with major cuds).

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
    edited May 30, 2024 12:58PM
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    @Greenstang said:
    “some sort of damage that happened when it was struck”
    First of all, if it happened when it was struck, it would be an error, not damage.
    What you have is a damaged coin caused by heat expanding the two layers of the quarter.
    This is considered damage and adds no value to the coin.

    My bad. Yes, thank you for clarifying the difference between error and damage. I knew but I wasn't using my head. Thanks again.

  • SOHimself
    SOHimself Posts: 18 ✭
    edited May 30, 2024 12:55PM
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    So I googled "heat damaged clad coins," and clicked on images. I have to admit some of those look somewhat similar. But wouldn't the heat damage coin be more likely to be damaged on both sides? It seems to me like an error could be on one side only.

  • jonathanb
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    @SOHimself said:
    So I googled "heat damaged clad coins," and clicked on images. I have to admit some of those look somewhat similar. But wouldn't the heat damage coin be more likely to be damaged on both sides? It seems to me like an error could be on one side only.

    An error can be on one side only. Heat damage can be on one side only.

    All sorts of things CAN be on one side only. The fact that it's on one side only has no bearing on whether it's an error or not.

    @JBK made the comment that matters:

    Try to envisioned the minting process. If that lump was on the planchet when struck then the die would never have reached the surface to strike up the design.

    If it was a void in the die then it would look very different (such as you see with major cuds).

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yeah, heat can do that kind of damage

    Mr_Spud

  • lcutler
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    @SOHimself said:
    So I googled "heat damaged clad coins," and clicked on images. I have to admit some of those look somewhat similar. But wouldn't the heat damage coin be more likely to be damaged on both sides? It seems to me like an error could be on one side only.

    No, heat damage can just as easily be on only one side only.

  • JBK
    JBK Posts: 17,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 30, 2024 3:08PM
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    @SOHimself said:
    So I googled "heat damaged clad coins," and clicked on images. I have to admit some of those look somewhat similar. But wouldn't the heat damage coin be more likely to be damaged on both sides? It seems to me like an error could be on one side only.

    It's not enough to say that it is an error by default. You need to explain how it could have occurred in the minting process.

  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I just pulled this coin out and took fresh photos, 2 are orig. and 2 are edited with filters.
    I can't be sure of it's demise but it sure shows an image that I would like to compare with yours.
    On the reverse of mine there is distortion present, along with other factors on both sides
    I'm working on other projects at this time so I hope this helps with your questions. Save it.



  • IkesT
    IkesT Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    They meet.

  • NeophyteNumismatist
    NeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Seriously... @Manifest_Destiny - you make the best memes here! I really do enjoy them.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just the facts Bubba, just the facts.

  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @JBK said:

    @SOHimself said:
    So I googled "heat damaged clad coins," and clicked on images. I have to admit some of those look somewhat similar. But wouldn't the heat damage coin be more likely to be damaged on both sides? It seems to me like an error could be on one side only.

    It's not enough to say that it is an error by default. You need to explain how it could have occurred in the minting process.

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  • emeraldATV
    emeraldATV Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    At a glance.. there is, a common denominator on both coins (his and mine).
    Go figure ?

  • BStrauss3
    BStrauss3 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @SOHimself said:
    This message has been generated by Nova -

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  • NewEnglandRarities
    NewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭
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    @emeraldATV said:
    At a glance.. there is, a common denominator on both coins (his and mine).
    Go figure ?

    Yes there is, I believe others are right, the common denominator is heat damage.

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  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Torch job. Seen a ton of em.


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