CACG vs. NGC and PCGS submissions
BUFFNIXX
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Was wondering how fellow collectors feel about the "new" grading service CACG. Are any regular submitters planning to change some or most of their future submissions form ngc.pcgs to cacg? Comments would be appreciated as I am contemplating send some coins to CACG in the near future.
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oldabeintx
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I crossed a number of stickered coins to CACG. The turnaround was about 10 days including mail time. I haven’t tried to cross unstickered coins or submit raw coins, but given the turnaround time I experienced, I will definitely use CACG rather than wait a month or more for my coins.
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ChrisH821
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I'm sticking with PCGS since that is where my registry sets are. Also I'm not a member of CAC so there's that.
Collector, occasional seller
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PeakRarities
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Im leaving my pcgs stickered coins as is for now, but I'll use CACG for unstickered crossovers, ngc crossovers, or sometimes fresh coins. I dont like to be married to one grading service, and each of them has their strengths and weaknesses that need to be considered depending on the goals for that submission.
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coinbuf
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I have only submitted raw coins to CACG, I was very happy with my results as they for the most part were right in line with my expectations. I am not a dealer nor do I sell often thus I don't do the crossover game at all, I have some raw morgans that I plan to submit to CACG and plan for the most part to use CACG for raw coins in the future.
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cameonut2011
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I will cross NGC CAC coins to CACG. Otherwise, I prefer submitting to PCGS.
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dennis5151
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just adds another layer of ???? to collecting. I am thinking cost, confusion, and crossover opportunity.
Of course, my cross over experience with PCGS, NGC, ANACS, and ICG has not worked out. For example. one test of the same PCGS 67 + went to a 67 at NGC, ANACS, and ICG.
My NGC AU58 went to 55 at ANACS. Another NGC AU58 went straight across to ANACS 58.Any luck on going up at this new CACG?
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P0CKETCHANGE
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I’m not planning on crossing any of my PCGS coin, but the next set I embark on will likely be CACG. The main reason is that I have lost confidence in the TrueView product.
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
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Barberian
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@P0CKETCHANGE said:
I’m not planning on crossing any of my PCGS coin, but the next set I embark on will likely be CACG. The main reason is that I have lost confidence in the TrueView product.I hope they're reading this.
PCGS may end up having the fastest turnaround times ever if they keep charging $5 for Trueview while serving up "pumpkin pie."
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winesteven
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@ChrisH821 said:
I'm sticking with PCGS since that is where my registry sets are. Also I'm not a member of CAC so there's that.FYI,
- CACG now has a growing Registry. They accept coins for their Registries graded by PCGS and NGC. They actually have two categories of Registries. The less strict one accepts coins in any combination of PCGS, NGC, or CACG holders, and the coins can have no CAC sticker, or be stickered. They call this the “Universal “ Registry. Their stricter Registry still takes coins in those three TPG holders, but those in PCGS and NGC holders must be stickered. This is the “CAC Only” Registry. While 100% of my coins are graded by PCGS, I fully partake in the PCGS Registry AND the two CACG Registries.
- They now have a “CAC Grading Club”, similar in some ways to the PCGS Collector Membership. Everything is prorated for a calendar year. While the annual fee is $99, you get $50 in annual grading credit, as well as the Greysheet CAC quarterly publication, a $65 dollar value. That’s really a great deal! This gives you IMMEDIATE full submission grading privileges with CACG, but NOT CAC stickering submission privileges at their NJ facility. For stickering, you just request to be added to the short waiting list.
Steve
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Desert Moon
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All US eligible coins I have for TPG submission from hereon will go to CACG. I fully agree with their approach to grading, they are quick for return, and I believe that over the long run, coins in their holder will have more value.
I submitted 6 to them yesterday at CSNS.
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Walkerfan
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I will submit to and buy PCGS and NGC only for me.
I may purchase a CACG already graded coin But only if it is unique and hard to find and not astronomically priced.
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Picking opportunities aside...
Sticking with PCGS for subs and crossovers.
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Not a CAC or CACG submitter.
But Buy some CACG stuff now and then.
TrueViews are only $5, or included at no extra cost with submissions above economy or modern.
https://www.pcgs.com/servicesandfees
Collector, occasional seller
Oops. I confused it with attributions. I'll edit it. Thanks for the correction.
Same as the others: If collectors really study coins and trade in ones appropriate to their ability, budget, and experience, they will come to rely upon the most reliable grading opinion of all: their own.
For what I collect, I only buy coins that have already been slabbed by one of the major recognized grading services. I like variety so I have no desire or need to have all of my coins in the same style of slab. I primarily buy the coin rather than the slab or sticker.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
That sounds great, “Buy the coin, not the slab or sticker”, and I agree with that for three-figure coins.
Most of the coins I buy are four-figure coins, and I realized a long time ago that my grading skills are not at the level of those grading at the TPG’s or at CAC stickering. I also decided not to put in the tremendous time that would be needed to get those skills to their level for a very wide variety of U.S. “Classic” coins. As such, with my purchases, I want to have a professionals degree of confidence that the coins are indeed solid for the grade and have not had surface treatments applied that might be acceptable to the TPG’s, but are not acceptable in the opinion of CAC.
The great thing about our wonderful hobby, is there’s no right or wrong! Each collector can choose to collect what they want to collect! The goal for each of us is to enjoy and get pleasure from our collections, and I truly believe that is happening for all of us!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
The cac system is the most professional of the choices in most respects; imaging, grading, billing, etc.. It seems designed to circumvent problems. Their grading seems overly strict though.
I was blown away with CAC's customer service. When you call and they answer the phone immediately addressing you by name, before you say anything is remarkable! When your call comes in, your submission profile pops up on their screen before they even answer, knowing all your history and information upfront! Brilliant!!
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
CACG is currently my TGP of choice for attributing variety coins. They do great work there.
And as others have mentioned, their customer service is truly top notch.