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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2024 3:31PM

    A question that has been haunting me for decades.

    Why, oh WHY did Dansco with the Continental Line change the position of the 1909 VDB Cent slot and the 1909-1958 Cent slot?!


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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What year was the peak in album sales?

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    What year was the peak in album sales?

    Good question to ask. I'd guess 1963.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 28, 2024 5:29PM

    What does he know about the original Beistle Unique Coin Albums, anything? I’m talking about these ones. They are still mysterious, the best info is in Lange’s book, but still lots of unknowns. Like, are these common or super rare?

    Mr_Spud

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And does he know the actual dates these logos were used for the Large Wayte Boards? Below was as far as I got finding when each was used, would love to know the rest of the dates

    Mr_Spud

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found these 1st edition blue Whitman folders at a local coin show. After talking with David Lange before his passing, and confirming that the Walking Liberty folder that he possessed was the only one known, I also emailed him with pictures that I had found another. How rare are these first edition folders and are there any known population figures on them?




  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tcollects said:
    have you ever showed your coin board collection to a real girl and if so what happened?

    That’s funny 😆

    I’m lucky my wife tolerates my obsession with Wayte Raymond Boards and albums. It helps that she collects dimes and proudly totes her Wayte Raymond Barber Dime album to any coin show she attends with me looking for upgrades 🌞

    Mr_Spud

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Notice how those early Whitman tri-fold albums have the mint marks arranged (P) - S - D (in the order that the respective Mints were established), while the later ones use (P) - D - S (alphabetical order for the ones that actually have mint marks)? This was because the Wayte Raymond "Standard Catalogue of United States Coins" used the chronological order for its mint marks, and in the early days of the Blue Book and the Red Book they used the same order and Raymond grumbled about copyright infringement, and so Whitman changed everything to the alphabetical system.

    TD

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Was there a small production of World Coin albums/folders/boards made for Export?

    Serious question

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Notice how those early Whitman tri-fold albums have the mint marks arranged (P) - S - D (in the order that the respective Mints were established), while the later ones use (P) - D - S (alphabetical order for the ones that actually have mint marks)? This was because the Wayte Raymond "Standard Catalogue of United States Coins" used the chronological order for its mint marks, and in the early days of the Blue Book and the Red Book they used the same order and Raymond grumbled about copyright infringement, and so Whitman changed everything to the alphabetical system.

    TD

    And did you notice that on the first edition Liberty Standing Quarter folder, the 1920 S was printed twice while not including the 1920D?

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jfriedm56 said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Notice how those early Whitman tri-fold albums have the mint marks arranged (P) - S - D (in the order that the respective Mints were established), while the later ones use (P) - D - S (alphabetical order for the ones that actually have mint marks)? This was because the Wayte Raymond "Standard Catalogue of United States Coins" used the chronological order for its mint marks, and in the early days of the Blue Book and the Red Book they used the same order and Raymond grumbled about copyright infringement, and so Whitman changed everything to the alphabetical system.

    TD

    And did you notice that on the first edition Liberty Standing Quarter folder, the 1920 S was printed twice while not including the 1920D?

    And there's a 40-D half.

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 30, 2024 3:49PM

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @jfriedm56 said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Notice how those early Whitman tri-fold albums have the mint marks arranged (P) - S - D (in the order that the respective Mints were established), while the later ones use (P) - D - S (alphabetical order for the ones that actually have mint marks)? This was because the Wayte Raymond "Standard Catalogue of United States Coins" used the chronological order for its mint marks, and in the early days of the Blue Book and the Red Book they used the same order and Raymond grumbled about copyright infringement, and so Whitman changed everything to the alphabetical system.

    TD

    And did you notice that on the first edition Liberty Standing Quarter folder, the 1920 S was printed twice while not including the 1920D?

    And there's a 40-D half.

    Looks like this folder was printed before the final mintage numbers were known and in anticipation that all 3 mints would produce coins, since no mintage figures yet appear under the dates. Thanks for pointing this out as I never noticed that before.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The very first pennyboard listed 1921-D cents.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • AlbumNerdAlbumNerd Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    Don and I had a great two hour interview yesterday. I was able to ask many member's questions.

    I will let you all know when I upload the video to Youtube!

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Notice how those early Whitman tri-fold albums have the mint marks arranged (P) - S - D (in the order that the respective Mints were established), while the later ones use (P) - D - S (alphabetical order for the ones that actually have mint marks)? This was because the Wayte Raymond "Standard Catalogue of United States Coins" used the chronological order for its mint marks, and in the early days of the Blue Book and the Red Book they used the same order and Raymond grumbled about copyright infringement, and so Whitman changed everything to the alphabetical system.

    TD

    Allow me a follow-up question regarding this topic:

    I noticed this the other day when I was looking at my Jefferson nickel collections.
    Why was it Meghrig within the same album switched and on the first two pages listed the nickels P S D and the following two pages they're listed P D S? This is the same album! Pages one and two are listed different than pages 3 and 4.

    Page two:

    Page three:

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never noticed that.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think this transition confused the type setter.

  • AlbumNerdAlbumNerd Posts: 191 ✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2024 1:01PM

    Hey all, thanks a lot for your patience. The video interview with Donald Kocken is now online!

    Youtube Link

    For those new to this thread, Donald is a prominent researcher of coin boards, folders, & albums known for his extensive knowledge and expertise. He authored the book "Collecting Vintage Coin Boards, Albums, Folders, & Holders: 1930's and Beyond" which has become a valuable resource for collectors.

    As a Dansco album researcher, it was great to sit down and talk with someone so knowledgeable about the history of coin preservation. In our conversation, we touched on a lot of different topics and questions. Including questions members here had.

    • Stories from his truck driving days and visiting coin shops while on the road
    • "What regional differences did you notice when visiting coin shops around the country?"
    • Advice to collectors on sharing time between the hobby and your spouse
    • Sorting 168,000 wheat pennies
    • Alan Herbert - Author of various coin books
    • "Why, oh WHY did Dansco with the Continental Line change the position of the 1909 VDB Cent slot and the 1909-1958 Cent slot?!" [@braddick]
    • "When was the peak in album sales?" [@davewesen]
    • "What does the future of coin collecting look like?"
    • "What do you know about the original Beistle 'Unique Coin' albums?" [@Mr_Spud]
    • "Do you know the dates of when these Wayte Raymond logos were used?" [@Mr_Spud]
    • The story about the first Kent Coin Board prototype
    • Ervin J. Felix & The Continental Line Albums
    • "How rare are first-edition Whitman Walking Liberty folders?" [@jfriedm56]
    • "What is the rarest Whitman folder someone could find at a coin shop?"
    • Insights & thoughts regarding foreign folders/albums [@coinkat]
    • "How did Megrig get away with copying Wayte Raymond's albums"
    • Thomas Moll - The elusive author of "Guide to Vintage Coin Folders and Albums"
    • "Will coin boards tone coins?"
    • "Any coin boards for Libertads?"
    • "How far did David Lange get with writing a book about the Dansco Corporation?"
    • "What should people think when they hear the name David Lange?"
    • "Where have you displayed your coin board collection?"
    • Reflections on a numismatic career

    This was my first time interviewing and editing a video, so any feedback is appreciated. I hope you enjoy this video and find it insightful.

  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 328 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    What does he know about the original Beistle Unique Coin Albums, anything? I’m talking about these ones. They are still mysterious, the best info is in Lange’s book, but still lots of unknowns. Like, are these common or super rare?

    Do you have a complete set of the US Commems album? I found a one of those pages and bought it instantly because I've never seen one before. How rare are they?

    Collector of Capped Bust Halves, SLQ's, Commems, and random cool stuff! @davidv_numismatics on Instagram

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @David7 I have just that page if you mean the “Patent Pending” Beistle pages. But I have the complete set of the later Wayte Raymond Commem pages from after the patent was granted and Beistle sold the rights to Raymond.

    So the one you found is stamped “Patent Pending” like the one in my photo? If so, they are very rare. I don’t know how rare, in David Lange’s book he said that even he didn’t know how rare they were.

    Mr_Spud

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AlbumNerd
    I just now got a chance to watch the video. Thank you very much, very cool! 😎

    Mr_Spud

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With the TikTok and Instagram reels shorts it is perhaps difficult to sit through an hour video- especially with a stationary camera- yet I found this one fascinating and I was drawn to watch all of it.
    Great information and I loved the stories. Who knew early on coin shops would tear these older albums in two and simply discard them?
    I also enjoyed when asked how many Whitman albums he had handled his answer was something along the lines of, "Oh, I don't know. Ten thousand? Maybe a hundred thousand?"

    peacockcoins

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