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Is this the greatest era for quarterbacks?
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Why is Nick Foles not in the picture?
I demand an immediate investigation.
If you take off the top 2 corners it currently is. With all the rule changes it will be interesting to see how long the stats hold up
Even Philip Rivers knows he doesn’t belong in that picture. 🤭
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Well if Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert and a couple others would start carrying their weight and take a little pressure off Mahomes then maybe this current era would be the best. As it stands now it’s just Mahomes and a bunch of guys who keep losing to him in the playoffs.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
hey @Darin the only pressure that #15 dude has...is me calling him and asking what he would like to have for dinner...🥩🥩🥩
Justin Joe Josh....Studs....🏈🏈🏈
Rivers absolutely belongs.
Quincy Carter too!
A a Chiefs fan all those years it was always comforting knowing no matter how well the Chargers did in the regular season that they would crap out in the playoffs. Because ole Philip couldn’t take them to that next level.
He wasn’t any better than Alex Smith. But Smith couldn’t get the Chiefs over the hump so they actually released him after he led the league in passer rating when Mahomes came along. The only difference is the chargers never had anyone better to go to so they were stuck with rivers and playoff futility until he left.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Comparing him to Alex Smith or blaming their playoff failures because of injuries and play calling is just funny.
Tomlinson recently just accused one of their OCs of throwing games with the play calling to get a head coaching job.
https://clutchpoints.com/chargers-legend-ladainian-tomlinson-accuses-former-oc-of-throwing-playoff-game
Rivers was a stud and one of the best QBs of all time which isnt debatable.
Obviously you never saw him play much and didn’t witness the pretty regular choke jobs on his part. He had a routine…….. get in a high pressure situation, throw an untimely pick and then throw a temper tantrum and blame the refs.
He was the biggest whiner in the league and a charlatan.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Are we going with an era as 10 seasons as in 2000-2009? If so, then Matt Stafford & Joe Flacco,who each won a SB as starter, need to be added to the list. That's 17 total SB rings won from the Qbs drafted between 2000-2009.
All of those great 1980's QBs only combined for 9 rings and that was mostly due to Montana & Aikman's 7. I haven't checked for any of the older eras,they were before my time.
I'd definitely say it was the best era ever for QB play. It will be interesting to see which other QBs actually step up in Mahomes era, since he came into the NFL no other QB drafted since that 2017 draft has won a SB. The homer in me says that this next QB picked by NE will be the one to change that. 😉👍
Eric
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So blaming the oc for throwing the game makes a lot more sense than blaming the qb?
All because a rb wanted more carries?
🤣🤣🤣
Complete nonsense on Tomlinsons part and our self proclaimed expert on all things sports related buys into it.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Could you clarify bb21?
How does throwing a game as an oc help you get a head coaching job?
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Absolutely, If you are a QB and get to pick which era to play in, you should obviously choose this one, since whether you are good, bad, or in between your numbers will look far more impressive than QBs from any other era, and your chances of getting injured are practically nil.
Are the QBs in this era better than the QBs in other eras? No reason in the world to think so.
Actually the 1980's QBs combined for 12 Rings not 9. I forgot Steve Young,Mark Rypien & Jeff Hostetler.
Eric
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Don't forget that you're also looking at 30-50M a season as a starting quarterback in this era.
Eric
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Thats just funny, not accurate but funny
Yeah sure. But which decade had the best backup QBs?
Chances of getting injured are practically nil?
Unless you’re Daniel jones, Kirk cousins, Kyler Murray, Joe burrow, Justin fields, Ryan tannehill, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, and a few more who missed at least a couple games. Do you remember a few years ago when Alex smith almost had his leg amputated?
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Still waiting.
First of all ladanian was speculating because he wanted the ball. So you’re just going to run with that, so to speak, as the truth?
Second, as a chiefs fan I saw that rivers scenario play out just like I described many times.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
70's and 80's just as good.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ignore list -Basebal21
Tomlinson is one of the biggest crybabies the NFL has ever seen
Every year the Chargers would crap themselves and lose to.the Pats in the playoffs it was always Tomlinson on the sidelines crying and pouting, same with Rivers
Couldn't stand either one of them
It was hard to watch rivers play because he was whining to the refs after every call against SD or every pick he threw. Some people might think he’s an all time great but I saw him play a lot and he was never good enough to get the chargers anywhere in the playoffs.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
They're definitely the most entertaining era!
80's
Marino
Elway
Fouts
Montana
Moon
Plunkett
Anderson
Kosar
Simms
Theismann
Dont knock me on Bernie. He had his own candy bar in the 80's
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ignore list -Basebal21
Tomlinson was usually hurt by that time of year. Rivers literally played with a torn ACL to get through the playoffs. Neither were cry babies, they were high level competitive athletes that wanted to win. Youd be frustrated too with those Charger coaching staffs where they would jump out to big leads and than just call draw plays trying to run out the clock for a half
No matter how many times you say it still doesn’t make you right.
Cry me a river rivers was the biggest whiner ever.
How ya doin on figuring out how it’s easier for an oc to get a head coaching job by throwing games?
And remember in your opinion you’re never wrong about anything so I guess it’s better for you to continue to remain silent on this one.
BB21 maybe if you didn’t have to come across as an expert on every single topic here it would be a little easier to stomach all your nonsense.
Just a thought.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Were they crybabies or were they high-level competitive athletes that just wanted to win? Are these things mutually exclusive? What are questions? What are pants? What are shorts? Are shorts just pants which haven't reached their potential or are pants just unoptimized shorts?
Crybaby in the case of rivers.
You answered your own question about what are questions by following up with several questions.
Stupid list…. Mistlin
Its honestly hysterical for someone with a tagline negatively attacking someone else to be calling someone else a cry baby.
I get why Pats fans dont like Rivers, the Chargers were the biggest threat to them for many years.
Pats fans never had a reason to really dislike Rivers, its not like he beat them in the playoffs and I really wouldn't call the Chargers their biggest threat over the years. I wouldn't even have them top 3.
1. Whichever team Peyton Manning was on.
2. Baltimore
3. Pittsburgh
4-5 KC or LAC, or vice versa
Eric
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Chargers beat the Colts both years they played them with Rivers in 2008 and 2009. They beat Baltimore the 1 time they faced them in the playoffs with Rivers as well in 2019. Steelers did beat them in 2009 though.
But that's not really from a NE standpoint. The Pats played the Chargers twice in the playoffs during the Brady era,one game in the second round and the other an AFCCG. Peyton beats them more than once as did the Ravens. The Steelers never beat them but they did meet up three times, two that were AFCCG in Pittsburgh.
Not to take away anything from Philip Rivers, LT or the Chargers but I've never really considered that team a threat to beat NE be it regular season or playoffs and I certainly never had a reason to dislike them.
Eric
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What is the era? Pretty big era to have guys who started in the 1990's included with guys who are playing now.
Neither Rivers or Brady were good in the two games they played and Rivers had the torn ACL for the 2007 game. I look at the threats in terms of talent level of the team and whose most likely to be the opponent. Chargers beat the Colts both times. Colts were 2-2 against the Pats, Ravens were 2-2 as well.
Granted the Chargers didnt beat them, but they were the favorites some of those years and then just did Charger things at the end and also just couldnt stay healthy. Im not sure any team has choked as much as the Chargers franchise has (and they probably deserve it with that owner) Rivers might be one of the most underappreciated QBs though
Tomlinson is still crying and claiming they were cheated by their own staff for God sakes lol
You can say what you want but your absolutely wrong, I watched the playoff games against my Pats and both of them were the biggest sore losers I've seen
I'm just telling you from a Pats fan perspective that the Chargers were never really thought of as a threat. Sure they've beaten those other teams but they weren't beating the Pats. Those other teams did and are why I put them ahead of LA on a list of NE's toughest opponents lists.
Again, saying that they were 4-5 wasn't supposed to be a sign of disrespect, just that the Chargers and Chiefs only faced NE twice come playoff time during the Brady/BB era and NE won all four games. One of those Chiefs two games was against Mahomes and was arguably one of the best football games I've ever seen so that one alone may have pushed KC to #4 on my list.
IMO, i think part of the hate/dislike/whatever you want to call towards Rivers during his career has been because he was never able to win that next big game. He played 15 straight seasons without missing a start which is an absolute credit to him but his playoff history is filled with plenty of R1 wins but his R2 W/L record had just one win that led to that Chargers-Patriots AFCCG that NE won late in the 2007 season.
Eric
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This might be regarded as the "greatest era" for QB's but I feel members should investigate some of the players from the 1950's. Prior to that the NFL was primarily a running league and things changed in that decade to more passing. I believe it was the first time when passing accounted for more than 50% of the plays. And as difficult as it may be to accept with all the passing that goes on today, there are actually NFL passing records from that era which still stand today.
I watched the same games and both of them played hard. Theres something wrong if a player is happy with losing
Theres also no way someone could objectively watch those games and not think there was a serious coaching and play calling issue for the Chargers. They dramatically changed what they were doing in the second halfs
Give me three names from that era and I'll spend some time reading into them. Maybe I'll even turn it into a thread and give us another chance to talk about that era. I started following the NFL in the mid to late 80's and i've honestly never really spent time learning about football pre-SB.
Eric
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Tomlinson was hurt for one of the games and played not even a full quarter if I remember correctly but I absolutely remember him pouting on the sidelines
And don't get me wrong I agree they should be pissed about losing but how about some self responsibility first and then play the blame game
I wouldnt really call sitting on the bench injured as pouting. Ive had that happen with a torn knee it sucks. You want to be out there but your body is saying no.
I dont know if his tanking allegations are what really happened, but we did see some drastic changes in play calling for those second halfs. It certainly could have been just flat out bad coaching. I really wouldnt be surprised either way
Those are definitely all fair points, I just remember the Chargers being preseason SB champs a couple of those years and just could never
I really dont like the judging QBs off rings type thing in such a team sport which as you mentioned is definitely something that a lot of people knock Rivers for. He was certainly bad in the two games against the Pats with Brady, but Brady was also bad in those games. Theres also multiple times where Rivers was really good like against the Steelers but they still lost and season was over. It is surprising that group never won it all, they just never seemed to all be able to stay healthy at the end of the years and certainly some bad coaching mixed in there
That's the rub though, when you're an NFL QB if you want to be considered with the greats then you better have some type of playoff resume that can go with the career regular season stats. He just didn't have that resume.
One thing I will say in his favor that I do now remember about him after taking a look at some of his career stats is, he played in that AFCCG against the Pats with a bad knee which gained him a ton of respect at the time.
Eric
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It wasnt just a bad knee, it was a torn ACL.
The ring thing though just doesnt make sense. Theres 11 guys on the field on offense, QBs arent even on the field half the game, special teams as well. Rivers had multiple very good games in the playoffs the team lost, not him.
Is Trent Dilfer a better QB than Marino or Fouts just because he has a ring and they dont?
I could see it a bit for the NBA, but tennis and golf are the only big sports where people should be should be judged on win loss
The ring thing though just doesnt make sense.
It really does though when you're talking about the best ever group. That just the way it is and the only people that are still arguing that in 2024 are either from an older generation or they rooted for a QB that had great career stats but their playoff history wasn't on the same level.
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So youre saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino? If rings are what matter theres no way to say Marino was better than Dilfer or Namath. Theres countless examples of this
No, i never said it was all about the rings. This was in my previous comment to the one you just replied to That's the rub though, when you're an NFL QB if you want to be considered with the greats then you better have some type of playoff resume that can go with the career regular season stats.
You need BOTH so Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson or whichever random SB winning QB you want to choose can't say that they did both.
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It goes without saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.
Dilfer earned over $27MM during his career.
Marino... barely $12MM.
Dilfer 1 Sports Emmy nomination? Marino? Zero!
Marino has 7 kids and Dilfer only has 4... That's another win for Dilfer.
Winner Winner. Chicken Dinner.
Each are tied with 1 ring outside of football...