imho ... not a chance at 66 or higher
multiple reverse rim dings ... field noise above & below God ... field chatter United and adjacent eagle wing ... slash on eagle chest
obverse contact marks behind cap in right field and conspicuous mark below nose and on neck
The short answer is no. Not wild about the image and the coin may look better in hand.
The long answer is the reverse holds it back. Look at the breast feathers. That is a focal point that simply cannot have a hit of this magnitude as there are expectations that need to be met at the 66 and higher grade level. While the obverse carries the grade and the cheek looks impressive in the image, I see a field bagmark that is problematic in terms of grade expectations- especially with this reverse. The margin for error also shrinks dramatically at the higher end of the grading spectrum.
There is also an issue associated with grading from an image at the 65 and above level. It is the image that is being graded more so than the coin which turns full circle back to expectations.
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A dealer friend sent in over 3 40 coin rolls to Anacs of 1886 Morgans with levels of acceptance starting at MS64. He was expecting most would go 64, some 65 and a couple at 66; this man has been a dealer full time for well over 40 years and he knows Morgans. He got a call from them telling him that none reached gem and most all were just 63s. He said ok so he wouldn't pay the tier failure rate badly. He says they are the toughest Morgan grades in his experience. The fact is the services have seen so many they can afford to be tough.
@mikee999 said:
Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?
You can always find a low end 66 or even a 65 in a 66 holder to compare to. Such comparisons are not definitive, especially when all we have are photos.
@tradedollarnut said:
So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66
I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.
Great job. You hit it on the head as far as the rattler. I think most had felt 65 was the grade, but the way the OP worded the question was a given 66 and was it better? Most new collectors and some old give their coins a 1-2 point bump and many not intentionally.
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@tradedollarnut said:
So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66
I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.
Great job. You hit it on the head as far as the rattler. I think most had felt 65 was the grade, but the way the OP worded the question was a given 66 and was it better? Most new collectors and some old give their coins a 1-2 point bump and many not intentionally.
Jim
IMHO, 66 is a pretty tall bar for a Morgan Dollar... I'm seeing a dig behind Ms. Liberty's head and a small divot right in front of her nose... prime focal areas. The reverse really holds this piece back... far too much chatter for 66. Keep looking!
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@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
Hey, just learn from it.
There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”
@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
Hey, just learn from it.
There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”
We still don't know what the grade is.
It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab
@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
Hey, just learn from it.
There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”
We still don't know what the grade is.
It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab
@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
Hey, just learn from it.
There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”
We still don't know what the grade is.
It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab
@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
Hey, just learn from it.
There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”
We still don't know what the grade is.
It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab
Not the same coin. Look at the dates.
Ohhhhh that’s different. — Never Mind
I'm guessing it's the same basic issue, but the OP is not making it clear. Lol
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imho ... not a chance at 66 or higher
multiple reverse rim dings ... field noise above & below God ... field chatter United and adjacent eagle wing ... slash on eagle chest
obverse contact marks behind cap in right field and conspicuous mark below nose and on neck
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For comparison
I'm going to say "no" so you have the opportunity to argue with the opinions you solicited.
The short answer is no. Not wild about the image and the coin may look better in hand.
The long answer is the reverse holds it back. Look at the breast feathers. That is a focal point that simply cannot have a hit of this magnitude as there are expectations that need to be met at the 66 and higher grade level. While the obverse carries the grade and the cheek looks impressive in the image, I see a field bagmark that is problematic in terms of grade expectations- especially with this reverse. The margin for error also shrinks dramatically at the higher end of the grading spectrum.
There is also an issue associated with grading from an image at the 65 and above level. It is the image that is being graded more so than the coin which turns full circle back to expectations.
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not a chance.
64 me thinks
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Your pics are slightly out of focus, more so the Obv. but would say no based on the Rev alone.
No
It shouldn't but this feels like a loaded question so quien sabe.
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It's likely in a 66 CAC already. It's always a trick question.
Nope
I don’t think so either.
The obverse appears super (aside from the slightly blurry photos) and reverse hits hold it back.
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This is why ANACS used to grade each side separately. My WAG is 65/63
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Depends on the luster. With amazing luster, It's a 65 on most days and a 65+ on a really, really good day.
The quality of the images don't help your cause either.
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If the photo is accurate, that is a dog for a 66.
A dealer friend sent in over 3 40 coin rolls to Anacs of 1886 Morgans with levels of acceptance starting at MS64. He was expecting most would go 64, some 65 and a couple at 66; this man has been a dealer full time for well over 40 years and he knows Morgans. He got a call from them telling him that none reached gem and most all were just 63s. He said ok so he wouldn't pay the tier failure rate badly. He says they are the toughest Morgan grades in his experience. The fact is the services have seen so many they can afford to be tough.
Not a chance. Look at that ding to the right before the M.
Not a chance, to many bag marks. The one on the front is real sad 👎
(If that's the coin that's supposed to be in there as well) jmo
I say at most 65.
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I think the reverse breast and fields kill any chance for a 66.
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So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66
Obverse 66
Reverse 64
Net 65 tops and I don’t love it.
Higher than a 66? No.
I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.
The front, yes.
The back, no.
So no.
No
Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.
first time we see the 1896 in this thread perhaps ?
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You can always find a low end 66 or even a 65 in a 66 holder to compare to. Such comparisons are not definitive, especially when all we have are photos.
Obverse looks great but the reverse looks terrible.
I think 66 is the very best possible outcome and I would bet on a 65.
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Finally a good picture.
Split Grade 66/65.
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Great job. You hit it on the head as far as the rattler. I think most had felt 65 was the grade, but the way the OP worded the question was a given 66 and was it better? Most new collectors and some old give their coins a 1-2 point bump and many not intentionally.
Jim
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It's a different coin than the one in the original post.
No
If taking shot at 66 send it in put minimum grade of 66 on submission form.
IMHO, 66 is a pretty tall bar for a Morgan Dollar... I'm seeing a dig behind Ms. Liberty's head and a small divot right in front of her nose... prime focal areas. The reverse really holds this piece back... far too much chatter for 66. Keep looking!
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Never Mind
We still don't know what the grade is.
It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab
Not the same coin. Look at the dates.
Ohhhhh that’s different. — Never Mind
I'm guessing it's the same basic issue, but the OP is not making it clear. Lol
He has also posted this text:
"Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?"
I assumed this to be confirmation that his original coin was in a 65 holder.
Anyway, too much confusion on the thread now.
see previous post ... first time we are seeing the 1896 .... different coin and only the obverse
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Hope op never works for a publishing co
1- The example 66 has a bad photo, but at best doesn't look like a nice 66
2- Your OP coin has a bad obverse photo and a reverse that doesn't look like it could ever support a 66
3- Now you're showing us a different coin in a 65 holder, without the reverse, and I'm not sure what you're asking.
So, in conclusion, your OP coin isn't a 66, and your example 66 is not the measuring stick for a 66.
Obverse on 82 looks gemmy, rev. 63 at best.
Yup. If cracked out and re-sumbitted it might get 64+ because of the reverse.
Nope
For comparison sake
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