What do y’all all think, will this 1882 Morgan go 66 or higher?

mikee999

Or cac?

calgolddiver

imho ... not a chance at 66 or higher
multiple reverse rim dings ... field noise above & below God ... field chatter United and adjacent eagle wing ... slash on eagle chest
obverse contact marks behind cap in right field and conspicuous mark below nose and on neck

mikee999

For comparison

jmlanzaf

I'm going to say "no" so you have the opportunity to argue with the opinions you solicited.

coinkat

The short answer is no. Not wild about the image and the coin may look better in hand.

The long answer is the reverse holds it back. Look at the breast feathers. That is a focal point that simply cannot have a hit of this magnitude as there are expectations that need to be met at the 66 and higher grade level. While the obverse carries the grade and the cheek looks impressive in the image, I see a field bagmark that is problematic in terms of grade expectations- especially with this reverse. The margin for error also shrinks dramatically at the higher end of the grading spectrum.

There is also an issue associated with grading from an image at the 65 and above level. It is the image that is being graded more so than the coin which turns full circle back to expectations.

yspsales

not a chance.

64 me thinks

LeeBone

Your pics are slightly out of focus, more so the Obv. but would say no based on the Rev alone.

Manifest_Destiny

No

UpGrayedd

It shouldn't but this feels like a loaded question so quien sabe.

jmlanzaf

@UpGrayedd said:
It shouldn't but this feels like a loaded question so quien sabe.

It's likely in a 66 CAC already. It's always a trick question.

tyler267

Nope

nwcoast

I don’t think so either.
The obverse appears super (aside from the slightly blurry photos) and reverse hits hold it back.

AUandAG

This is why ANACS used to grade each side separately. My WAG is 65/63
bob

anablep

Depends on the luster. With amazing luster, It's a 65 on most days and a 65+ on a really, really good day.

The quality of the images don't help your cause either.

Connecticoin

@mikee999 said:
For comparison

If the photo is accurate, that is a dog for a 66.

logger7

A dealer friend sent in over 3 40 coin rolls to Anacs of 1886 Morgans with levels of acceptance starting at MS64. He was expecting most would go 64, some 65 and a couple at 66; this man has been a dealer full time for well over 40 years and he knows Morgans. He got a call from them telling him that none reached gem and most all were just 63s. He said ok so he wouldn't pay the tier failure rate badly. He says they are the toughest Morgan grades in his experience. The fact is the services have seen so many they can afford to be tough.

Constantine

Not a chance. Look at that ding to the right before the M.

johnny9434

Not a chance, to many bag marks. The one on the front is real sad 👎

(If that's the coin that's supposed to be in there as well) jmo

bsshog40

I say at most 65.

jesbroken

I think the reverse breast and fields kill any chance for a 66.
Jim

tradedollarnut

So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66

johnny010

Obverse 66
Reverse 64
Net 65 tops and I don’t love it.

cheezhed

Higher than a 66? No.

Connecticoin

@tradedollarnut said:
So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66

I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.

dcarr

The front, yes.
The back, no.

So no.

lcoopie

No

mikee999

Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?

mikee999

I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

calgolddiver

first time we see the 1896 in this thread perhaps ?

jmlanzaf

@mikee999 said:
Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?

You can always find a low end 66 or even a 65 in a 66 holder to compare to. Such comparisons are not definitive, especially when all we have are photos.

DoubleEagle59

Obverse looks great but the reverse looks terrible.

I think 66 is the very best possible outcome and I would bet on a 65.

logger7

Finally a good picture.

Dropdaflag

Split Grade 66/65.

jesbroken

@Connecticoin said:

@tradedollarnut said:
So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66

I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.

Great job. You hit it on the head as far as the rattler. I think most had felt 65 was the grade, but the way the OP worded the question was a given 66 and was it better? Most new collectors and some old give their coins a 1-2 point bump and many not intentionally.
Jim

jmlanzaf

@jesbroken said:

@Connecticoin said:

@tradedollarnut said:
So basically you’re saying it’s already a 66

I suspect it is in a 65 Rattler and the OP is hoping it could upgrade.

Great job. You hit it on the head as far as the rattler. I think most had felt 65 was the grade, but the way the OP worded the question was a given 66 and was it better? Most new collectors and some old give their coins a 1-2 point bump and many not intentionally.
Jim

@logger7 said:
Finally a good picture.

It's a different coin than the one in the original post.

Cougar1978

No

If taking shot at 66 send it in put minimum grade of 66 on submission form.

lkenefic

IMHO, 66 is a pretty tall bar for a Morgan Dollar... I'm seeing a dig behind Ms. Liberty's head and a small divot right in front of her nose... prime focal areas. The reverse really holds this piece back... far too much chatter for 66. Keep looking!

Connecticoin

Never Mind

jmlanzaf

@Connecticoin said:

@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

Hey, just learn from it.

There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”

We still don't know what the grade is.

Connecticoin

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

Hey, just learn from it.

There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”

We still don't know what the grade is.

It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab

jmlanzaf

@Connecticoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

Hey, just learn from it.

There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”

We still don't know what the grade is.

It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab

Not the same coin. Look at the dates.

Connecticoin

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

Hey, just learn from it.

There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”

We still don't know what the grade is.

It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab

Not the same coin. Look at the dates.

Ohhhhh that’s different. — Never Mind

jmlanzaf

@Connecticoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Connecticoin said:

@mikee999 said:
I guess I’ll stick w/ trading stocks to make $$, go NVDA.

Hey, just learn from it.

There are still PQ and undergraded rattlers and OGHs out there, but there are far more “C” coins in those holders now (as a percent of those out there) than 10-15 years ago because so many of the PQ/upgradable ones have been cracked out. However, IMO your rattler is solid for the grade, and even those typically fetch a small premium from “rattler nostalgia”

We still don't know what the grade is.

It’s a 65 - the OP posted a pic of the full obverse slab

Not the same coin. Look at the dates.

Ohhhhh that’s different. — Never Mind

I'm guessing it's the same basic issue, but the OP is not making it clear. Lol

JBK

He has also posted this text:

"Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?"

I assumed this to be confirmation that his original coin was in a 65 holder.

Anyway, too much confusion on the thread now.

calgolddiver

see previous post ... first time we are seeing the 1896 .... different coin and only the obverse

RobertScotLover

Hope op never works for a publishing co

airplanenut

@mikee999 said:
Why is that no one has commented on the example 66 vs my rattler 65?

1- The example 66 has a bad photo, but at best doesn't look like a nice 66

2- Your OP coin has a bad obverse photo and a reverse that doesn't look like it could ever support a 66

3- Now you're showing us a different coin in a 65 holder, without the reverse, and I'm not sure what you're asking.

So, in conclusion, your OP coin isn't a 66, and your example 66 is not the measuring stick for a 66.

logger7

Obverse on 82 looks gemmy, rev. 63 at best.

Connecticoin

@logger7 said:
Obverse on 82 looks gemmy, rev. 63 at best.

Yup. If cracked out and re-sumbitted it might get 64+ because of the reverse.

JJM

Nope

Morgan13

For comparison sake