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Thoughts on this $10 Indian... Updated images.

lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 3, 2024 6:34PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Seller's Pics...

Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 58 but those pics are leaving much to be desired.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fugly. RGDS!

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry, not a fan because of the color, something just doesn't look right
    Maybe for AU money

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,889 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    Thanks for your thoughts Mark, pre 33 gold is an area I am very weak on.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The off color could be from the pic and the lighting used to take it. It looks like it's in a slab. Can we get a pic of the entire slab?

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    The off color could be from the pic and the lighting used to take it. It looks like it's in a slab. Can we get a pic of the entire slab?

    Looks likely a SEGS slab (I've seen a lot of them)... If it's segs assume 2-4 grades too high and possibly damaged somehow (cleaned or otherwise).

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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could be a nice coin with PVC residue. The only way to know for sure would be to try an acetone treatment.

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  • csdotcsdot Posts: 707 ✭✭✭✭

    10-D is not a rarity, so you should be able to find plenty to choose from for your collection. Personally I would pass, but if this one interests you, your due diligence should include asking for better pictures before pulling any triggers.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    But couldn't the color be due to putty residue?

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    How do you determine if there is sign of putty? I know its something to do with the color but I'm not very familiar with it.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kliao said:

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    How do you determine if there is sign of putty? I know its something to do with the color but I'm not very familiar with it.

    Putty, after it has been on the coin for a while, will turn into a white chalky film sometimes with a bluish tint.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 31, 2024 8:26AM

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    But couldn't the color be due to putty residue?

    I suppose so, but I don’t see any associated residue in the pictures.
    The color could also be due to cleaning, though I don’t see evidence of that, either.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s an unattractive coin that I would pass on unless the price is right.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Poor quality photos that are useless for grading.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,924 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    It looks like it's in a slab. Can we get a pic of the entire slab?

    We're still waiting. :#

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 37,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    But couldn't the color be due to putty residue?

    I suppose so, but I don’t see any associated residue in the pictures.
    The color could also be due to cleaning, though I don’t see evidence of that, either.

    I agree. I'm not saying that it IS putty. But it looks like there is some kind of film or residue on the coin. The specific source of that is harder to ascertain. I once had a coin in hand that had the same pinkish hue that was clearly "puttied", that's the only reason I asked.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 15,097 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @MFeld said:

    @coinbuf said:
    I'm not good with gold, one reason I like to see a CAC bean on certified gold. Should not be in an unc holder imo and the obv looks a bit off, maybe putty?

    I don’t see signs of putty but if the color’s accurate, it’s very unusual and I’d question it.

    But couldn't the color be due to putty residue?

    I suppose so, but I don’t see any associated residue in the pictures.
    The color could also be due to cleaning, though I don’t see evidence of that, either.

    I agree. I'm not saying that it IS putty. But it looks like there is some kind of film or residue on the coin. The specific source of that is harder to ascertain. I once had a coin in hand that had the same pinkish hue that was clearly "puttied", that's the only reason I asked.

    It was certainly a reasonable question. And has been pointed out, the pictures are other than exemplary.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m not sure if that’s the case here, but it’s a great feeling when you take a gamble on the sellers bad pics, and then the coin arrives and turns out be gorgeous in person.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not impressed by unusual toning on gold as some are, in this case a red flag, but would likely dip out.

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks good

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks 58 to me

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Updated Pics... still not the best. The dark area in the upper left of the obverse and in the same place on the reverse has to be a lighting issue... I'm still working on this one. I might just try to post a video... and a "reveal" of sorts...

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2024 7:06PM

    https://youtu.be/9s39Ej2AtPg?feature=shared

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2024 10:13AM

    Not certain why we don't get an image to click on... just the link... This is the obverse slab shot... OGH MS62...

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/e6gnIasX0fM?feature=share

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    I think it's an attractive coin, though still likely AU.

    That area on the obverse which you mentioned seems in the newest photo to display a sort of corduroy effect which I'm not sure I've seen before. It doesn't look like die-polishing lines to me.

    I'd still buy it if the premium over melt isn't too big.
    But then this is my favorite gold coin design.

  • csdotcsdot Posts: 707 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2024 9:11PM

    Looks like someone tried to slice that eagle's wings and leg. Plus, the toning (especially how the coloring under the letters is noticeably lighter) is suspect.

    Pass.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @conrad99 said:
    I think it's an attractive coin, though still likely AU.

    That area on the obverse which you mentioned seems in the newest photo to display a sort of corduroy effect which I'm not sure I've seen before. It doesn't look like die-polishing lines to me.

    I'd still buy it if the premium over melt isn't too big.
    But then this is my favorite gold coin design.

    It's a defect in the slab plastic. I've seen it in a few generations of this OGH that OP has. Annoying!

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Putty around date and above it as an example.

    another:

    jom

  • jomjom Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As to the OP coin: Not sure. Could have some hidden hairlines. Color seems bad in the first photo but others are OK. This is a common date so I'd look elsewhere.

    jom

  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    @DelawareDoons said:

    @conrad99 said:
    I think it's an attractive coin, though still likely AU.

    That area on the obverse which you mentioned seems in the newest photo to display a sort of corduroy effect which I'm not sure I've seen before. It doesn't look like die-polishing lines to me.

    I'd still buy it if the premium over melt isn't too big.
    But then this is my favorite gold coin design.

    It's a defect in the slab plastic. I've seen it in a few generations of this OGH that OP has. Annoying!

    Thanks, I learn something new every day.

    Is it visible anywhere else on this slab?

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @conrad99 said:

    @DelawareDoons said:

    @conrad99 said:
    I think it's an attractive coin, though still likely AU.

    That area on the obverse which you mentioned seems in the newest photo to display a sort of corduroy effect which I'm not sure I've seen before. It doesn't look like die-polishing lines to me.

    I'd still buy it if the premium over melt isn't too big.
    But then this is my favorite gold coin design.

    It's a defect in the slab plastic. I've seen it in a few generations of this OGH that OP has. Annoying!

    Thanks, I learn something new every day.

    Is it visible anywhere else on this slab?

    Usually just on the parts that are raised over and around the coin. Light hits it at a certain angle and its visible, otherwise not visible. Super noticeable under a loupe.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DelawareDoons said:

    @conrad99 said:
    I think it's an attractive coin, though still likely AU.

    That area on the obverse which you mentioned seems in the newest photo to display a sort of corduroy effect which I'm not sure I've seen before. It doesn't look like die-polishing lines to me.

    I'd still buy it if the premium over melt isn't too big.
    But then this is my favorite gold coin design.

    It's a defect in the slab plastic. I've seen it in a few generations of this OGH that OP has. Annoying!

    This explains a lot! Yes, what I thought might have been some sort of odd toning goes away when I tilt the slab in a slightly different direction. I also seemed "pixelated" ... for lack if a better description...

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

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