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Thoughts on this $20 Saint...

lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Common date for sure... I'd like to get opinions on grade and eye appeal. Thanks in advance...

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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64-65, weaker than normal obv. strike

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    blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 RGDS!

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2024 2:45PM

    I would grade it AU58, but I'm sure it is market graded as MS62/3. Flashy and I'm not seeing any large hits or abrasions, the rim does seem a bit beat up.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The luster looks vibrant, the color, attractive and I’ll guess 63 on the grade.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS64. Nice way to buy some gold bullion.

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    Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That photo reads 58+ to me but I’d guess it’s in a 63 holder. It’s hard to tell though. Personally I find it very attractive with very good eye appeal.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is flatness at the high points... still nice in that the fields look good. Not a 65 but better the typical examples. 64 seems fair

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with Mark about the luster & color, but with a caveat on the grade. Since it has a TV, I’ll assume it’s a newer holder, and may have made it into a 4 holder, so that’s my guess.

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking luster, I'll go 63+

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 10,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks flat, no guess. If pressed I would go 62.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've seen a lot graded like this as high as MS64, but could have gone 63.

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62, maybe 63.
    Nice coin and a great way to accumulate some gold.

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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going to take flyer and say they graded it 66

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Thoughts on this $20 Saint...

    To be honest. My very first thought?.........I wish I had one. Nice coin! 👍

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks nice. I would call it a 63

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64 here. Looks good. 👍

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,959 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like it has dull points or “envelope friction” on the high points. I’d say MS-62 if it’s as it is in the photo.

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    Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What ever the number, I like it.

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    mlittlemlittle Posts: 189 ✭✭✭

    63

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Everyone.... it's in a 64 holder but I thought it was a little baggy for 64. I'll post the TV when I get back to my laptop...

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Thanks Everyone.... it's in a 64 holder but I thought it was a little baggy for 64. I'll post the TV when I get back to my laptop...

    Is this one you own or one you were considering buying?

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Thanks Everyone.... it's in a 64 holder but I thought it was a little baggy for 64. I'll post the TV when I get back to my laptop...

    Is this one you own or one you were considering buying?

    Considering... not my coin.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville said:
    This is a 1927 Saint I just won at auction tonight.
    It is a PCGS graded MS-63 with a CAC green sticker. Bought it for $2057 plus 10% buyer fee.

    At current gold spot prices, common date double eagles are now trading at bullion prices unless they are very high grade. It's a great way to buy some gold bullion.

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2024 5:13AM

    @PerryHall said:

    @oreville said:
    This is a 1927 Saint I just won at auction tonight.
    It is a PCGS graded MS-63 with a CAC green sticker. Bought it for $2057 plus 10% buyer fee.

    At current gold spot prices, common date double eagles are now trading at bullion prices unless they are very high grade. It's a great way to buy some gold bullion.

    Exactly.The bonus was getting a OGH PCGS slab with a CAC green sticker and what appears to be a pleasant looking Saint for the assigned grade for nearly no premium over the bullion value.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2024 5:01PM

    62, just not there for 63.

    Would say $2600 sell / $2000 - $2100 Whsl.

    Eye appeal slightly below average, If acquired at melt ok for one’s bullion stockpile. How much above melt would you bid on it?

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 12, 2024 5:07PM

    @oreville said:
    This is a 1927 Saint I just won at auction tonight.
    It is a PCGS graded MS-63 with a CAC green sticker. Bought it for $2057 plus 10% buyer fee.

    Is that a couple of spots on obv? Almost looks like needs dip.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 9,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    About what I thought: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/48978864

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought it for the bullion value and got as a bonus an OGH PCGS slab with a CAC sticker. I do not see much spotting on the obverse. I do see bagmarks which is typical on a MS-63 graded Saint.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville ... I like it as a Type piece all day long!

    Over the past week I've been looking at 65s... there's not much more of a premium as gold is in some uncharted territory. My thought process is that if gold takes a dive, lower MS pieces would follow more readily than higher graded coins... potentially a softer landing if the bottom drops out... but we are in unprecedented times. Thoughts?

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,427 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    @oreville ... I like it as a Type piece all day long!

    Over the past week I've been looking at 65s... there's not much more of a premium as gold is in some uncharted territory. My thought process is that if gold takes a dive, lower MS pieces would follow more readily than higher graded coins... potentially a softer landing if the bottom drops out... but we are in unprecedented times. Thoughts?

    I also have numerous PCGS/CAC MS-65, MS-66 and MS-67 with Motto Saints but like adding more bullion related Saints as I suspect that gold is more like to rise than take a dive. Also adding scarcer $20 Saints as well as scarcer circulated $20 Liberties.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2024 6:32AM

    63+. Decent but not great.

    EDIT:

    @lkenefic said:
    Thanks Everyone.... it's in a 64 holder but I thought it was a little baggy for 64. I'll post the TV when I get back to my laptop...

    Ah, I see. Well, it looks like it has above average luster, so that probably carried it to a 4. Definitely a lower-end 4 imho, though.

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    GoldFinger1969GoldFinger1969 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Historical premiums for MS-65 and MS-62 Saints:

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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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