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Is there a way to put an alert on a PCGS coin that was stolen during shipping?

I sold an 1886 $ PCGS MS65DMPL on ebay. The buyer says when he opened package it was empty. He had signed for it and did not notice the other end of the box had the tape cut. It is PCGS #39430829. It is a pretty nice coin that could be recognized if someone was looking at the PCGS pic.
Is there a way to add to the PCGS item the fact that it was stolen?
Thanks

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Contact PCGS customer service and NCIC. PCGS will flag the listing as not valid.

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  • retirednowretirednow Posts: 552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2024 5:04PM

    Need to file a police report ... as I learned PCGS will not note it unless they have evidence it was reported stolen. I think the same for the numistnatic Crime site

    https://numismaticcrimes.org/

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would just add the coin and the cert# to one of your sets. If/when someone tries to register it you will be notified to remove it. When/if that happens you can then reach out to PCGS and tell them that the coin was stolen and have them report to the police who was trying to register it and also report it to NCIC.

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    USPS Internal theft is running rampant as I said in a previous Post. Its out of control literally. Just had another gold coin stolen yesterday , and week ago, and so on and so on

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 27, 2024 6:49PM

    A sign of the times. Postal employees are entitled to bonuses.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,354 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ncic yes... also donate what you can to ncic. the org is hurtin for money

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Once signed for, USPS will not consider there to be a theft and therefore will honor no claim. Always check that your package shows no sign of tampering before signing for it. If tampered, refuse delivery and have USPS return to sender and inform the sender.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the coin shop knows how much they paid, probably know who they bought it from. I hope they get the postal employee.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    I could be wrong, but I believe that if the coins were on record with the PD as stolen then the coin shop would have been out the money if they bought stolen coins. I'm not sure you would have needed to buy them back.

    That is how it works in NY, as long as you can prove ownership. I don't know that every state is exactly the same.

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    I could be wrong, but I believe that if the coins were on record with the PD as stolen then the coin shop would have been out the money if they bought stolen coins. I'm not sure you would have needed to buy them back.

    @jmlanzaf said:
    That is how it works in NY, as long as you can prove ownership. I don't know that every state is exactly the same.

    Here is a CW article from 2011 that discusses the underlying legal concept.

    Perhaps Doug (@Numismaticcrimeinfo) would like to add something here.

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know a guy......

  • gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭

    The coin shop bought them from the thief before I even knew they were stolen. So they would have had no idea they were stolen. The coin shop did pay the seller with a check so the Inspector General should have an easy time tracking them down. It sounded like the Inspector thought they would be able to solve a lot of mail issues at this PO now. I am hoping I do get a reward for basically spoon feeding them all the info to catch the thief.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Once signed for, USPS will not consider there to be a theft and therefore will honor no claim. Always check that your package shows no sign of tampering before signing for it. If tampered, refuse delivery and have USPS return to sender and inform the sender.

    1 exception that I am 100% certain happened though....since it was to me.
    I had a package from a forum member with 2 raw large cents, sent in a manila envelope.
    I signed for it AT the post office. I walked about 30ft away and opened it, anxious to see the coins, as the pics were nice.
    Only 1 was in there. At that time, I turned it over and over to examine the envelope. There was a very hard to see, thin slice in the back. A coin had fallen out or been taken out from that.

    I walked right back in, less than 2 minutes after signing, showed the clerk and we filled out the forms.
    Fellow forum member was reimbursed (as was I by him) but the coin was lost to both of us :(

    So, you can sign for it, but open it immediately, and you should be ok.

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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gummibear said:
    The coin shop bought them from the thief before I even knew they were stolen. So they would have had no idea they were stolen. The coin shop did pay the seller with a check so the Inspector General should have an easy time tracking them down. It sounded like the Inspector thought they would be able to solve a lot of mail issues at this PO now. I am hoping I do get a reward for basically spoon feeding them all the info to catch the thief.

    I hope you do too!
    I hate thieves and I hate people who blindly turn an eye to them. You didn't turn away but tackled it headon!

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭

    Oh, and here is the pcgs pic of the Dollar that was stolen.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gummibear said:
    Oh, and here is the pcgs pic of the Dollar that was stolen.

    Nice. :(

    Good thing @SeattleSlammer doesn't work for the post office....otherwise I'd investigate him! >:)

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,302 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gummibear said:
    The coin shop bought them from the thief before I even knew they were stolen. So they would have had no idea they were stolen. The coin shop did pay the seller with a check so the Inspector General should have an easy time tracking them down. It sounded like the Inspector thought they would be able to solve a lot of mail issues at this PO now. I am hoping I do get a reward for basically spoon feeding them all the info to catch the thief.

    That assumes that the thief didn't sell them to another party who sold them to the coin shop.

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