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Morgan13
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Here is mine-
It's kind of a head scratcher for me. Looks right for the grade but what do I know.
This is not a cheap shot at CAC either.
It's solely my opinion vs. theirs.
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Most of my coins that don't pass, I understand the reason. This one I mostly do also, the dig in the obv field might be a bit much, it's been gently dipped, and is probably a C coin. But it is semi-PL, hammered, and so icy! I love it regardless.
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Maybe more of an AU50 than 53?
AU58
Thought this 1875-CC Trade $1was more than a solid 58.
So, I looked and looked for the longest time trying to figure it out, and a friend told me a while back that JA was terribly strict on Saints. I now know why it didn’t bean.
It was a impulse buy because I don’t even collect Saints but I really liked it.😂 Still do, even though it’s the only $20 I have that didn’t bean.
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Maybe they didn’t think it was a 66? Where are the marks? Aside: terrible truview.
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I agree with all of them not stickering except the saint but JA is notoriously hard on saints with their legs and chest being focal points so that must be what cost you, that and the +. They are hard on 65s let alone a +.
-Terminal toning /mirrors
-dipped maybe too scruffy/chop damage for 58
-Residue
-burnt / dipped effecting luster
That said they are all really nice collector coins. I would buy the 75s with my own money raw let alone without a sticker.
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@HillbillyCollector said:
Nice original coin but too many abrasions for 65, here’s a 65 saint that also failed last year. Much cleaner surfaces, but evidently had a tiny little putty spot on the reverse that can’t be seen in images. I thought it was closer to a 66 myself.
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Do you have a photo of the putty? I could learn.
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I agree! That’s a badass coin for AU55.
NGC MS65BN that I think is pretty nice...
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Amazing coin.
Edited: what’s the issue? Reverse rim 6 to 11pm?
@johnny010 Not sure. The reverse rim roughness is typical of later die states. Here's a Goldberg's image from the Naftzger Collection, PCGS MS66BN.
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If I felt strongly about a particular coin that did not earn the sticker I would send it back for a reexamination, it happens on occasion, after all its just an opinion at that moment in time, a different day and a different opinion especially if they were on the fence and made the wrong decision that day. I love CAC just for their ability to reconsider such a happenstance
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Is it on the wing? On the big feather?
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I probably agree with CAC 95% of the time, but our opinions diverged on this one. It got red stickered for “original but lacking eye appeal.”
I bought it because I thought it had nice appeal
. MS64.
Odd. I bought this one because I loved the eye appeal. Also MS64. And I got it stickered which I expected. Not identical but certainly similar.
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I thought I remembered a spot but looking at these it’s somewhat streaky in that open area. Think there might be some on the feather tips too.
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If that slab had AU50 on it, I wouldn't have batted an eye.
p62. Obverse die severely rusted. Fields very quiet and strike is hammered. Enhanced tone?
p62 "Deep cream-gray and sun-gold toning envelops this intricately struck low mintage quarter. Mildly proof-like, and marks are limited to trivial contact on the upper reverse field." Heritage and Todd photos.
P64
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A rare die variety as well, but CAC said "No."
The only coins I have ever submitted to cac have been though the great collections service prior to auction so no active pictures and I don’t want to call out other peoples coins. I was shocked with 50% of the results. A few stunning peace dollars in old holders didn’t and a few avg ones did. Most did what I thought they would as it was a hand picked set and I knew about the compromises but still couple of head scratchers for sure.
I suspect where I went wrong is they might have wanted blast white lustrous or sexy toned peace dollars where I preferred the layer of dusty /chalky matte toning/skin (don’t know how else to describe it but if you have handled enough of them you know). While it dulls the luster that comes though somewhat, I actually enjoy the pearlescent sheen of original old silver common on unmolested peace dollars and walking libs from the early 20th cen. Considering how luster plays into peace grading from the choice to gem range, I suspect it wasn’t quality but grade issues for some of them.
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They're setting the standard for eye appeal now? I need to get my eyes checked.
But first, may I offer this CAC moose for your numismatic viewing enjoyment! Choice original sewer toning grace surfaces replete with hits, punches, pitting, cupric salt crystals, and boogers on this lovely 53 Arrows and Rays. A true fleur-de-numismatique.
It took me a while to realize that I needed to be fussy. When I first started collecting I would look at coins as a whole. Now I have learned to really look deeper into a coins surfaces. The dings and nicks matter. Luster matters. Eye appeal matters.
I made many bad purchases in the beginning.
I think CAC is consistent with their opinion. Every once in a while they let one slip by that should have been stickered.
I would also guess that they sticker one once in a great while that wasn't worthy.
Nobody is perfect.
It's not common to see a CAC coin that is or isn't worthy of the outcome.
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I thought this one had a great chance.
I even sent it back for comments and received “ancient cleaning” as the reason. 😢
I would purchase many more like it. 😉
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I agree that the California should not have failed because of eye appeal, as I think it has nice appeal. While i admit that the 1853 half looks like a complete turd in that photo, I'd really like to see a different set of non sunlight pics. IMO, Gerry's shots make most of the coins in his inventory look like hell. Evidently the coin was nice enough for him to buy it, and for CAC to stivcker it, but it's definitely marked up in the fields and that's not going to change in any light.
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No sticker on this as a 67.
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I like Gerry and I have bought some very nice coins at fair prices from him. But his photos leave something to be desired...
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This coin surprised me in that it looked exactly like Gerry's photos. I figured from the odd dark indigo toning in the photo that the color must have been off. Nope. Perfect.
For the darker circulated stuff Gerry's pics are very accurate. When the coins have color and luster some of the problems arise with "sunlight photography".
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My thoughts exactly. I'm sure he has very nice material but I haven't a clue what most of his coins actually look like. Then if you buy and have to send it back he gives you a bit of grief for that. It makes the buying process a bit difficult unless you see his stuff at a show (which I cannot).
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I haven't bought anything from GF that I couldn't see in hand because his images are TERRIBLE. He really needs to have somebody come in and revamp his imaging setup. Somebody should show him this thread, or better yet, maybe we should collectively stop derailing this thread and make a separate thread for it.
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Hey I remember buying that from you. Now I know why you gave me a good deal! 😅 Still a nice coin that sold for me pretty quick.
Nice. I bought it raw at Harry's for $35 a few years back...
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Great find!!! 😄