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Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 22, 2024 2:55PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here is mine-
It's kind of a head scratcher for me. Looks right for the grade but what do I know.
This is not a cheap shot at CAC either.
It's solely my opinion vs. theirs.

Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars

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  • JRGeyerJRGeyer Posts: 119 ✭✭✭

    Maybe more of an AU50 than 53?

  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, I looked and looked for the longest time trying to figure it out, and a friend told me a while back that JA was terribly strict on Saints. I now know why it didn’t bean.
    It was a impulse buy because I don’t even collect Saints but I really liked it.😂 Still do, even though it’s the only $20 I have that didn’t bean.
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  • rnkmyer1rnkmyer1 Posts: 309 ✭✭✭✭✭



    Maybe they didn’t think it was a 66? Where are the marks? Aside: terrible truview.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2024 5:09PM

    I agree with all of them not stickering except the saint but JA is notoriously hard on saints with their legs and chest being focal points so that must be what cost you, that and the +. They are hard on 65s let alone a +.

    -Terminal toning /mirrors

    -dipped maybe too scruffy/chop damage for 58

    -Residue

    -burnt / dipped effecting luster

    That said they are all really nice collector coins. I would buy the 75s with my own money raw let alone without a sticker.

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan
    Do you have a photo of the putty? I could learn.

    @oih82w8
    I agree! That’s a badass coin for AU55.

  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2024 6:34PM

    @epc

    Amazing coin.

    Edited: what’s the issue? Reverse rim 6 to 11pm?

  • epcepc Posts: 96 ✭✭✭

    @johnny010 Not sure. The reverse rim roughness is typical of later die states. Here's a Goldberg's image from the Naftzger Collection, PCGS MS66BN.

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  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 510 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2024 7:33PM

    If I felt strongly about a particular coin that did not earn the sticker I would send it back for a reexamination, it happens on occasion, after all its just an opinion at that moment in time, a different day and a different opinion especially if they were on the fence and made the wrong decision that day. I love CAC just for their ability to reconsider such a happenstance

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny010 said:
    @DeplorableDan
    Do you have a photo of the putty? I could learn.

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    Is it on the wing? On the big feather?

  • lermishlermish Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 5:02AM

    @Bigtree said:
    I probably agree with CAC 95% of the time, but our opinions diverged on this one. It got red stickered for “original but lacking eye appeal.”

    I bought it because I thought it had nice appeal :D . MS64.

    Odd. I bought this one because I loved the eye appeal. Also MS64. And I got it stickered which I expected. Not identical but certainly similar.

  • DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Crypto said:

    @johnny010 said:
    @DeplorableDan
    Do you have a photo of the putty? I could learn.

    >

    Is it on the wing? On the big feather?

    I thought I remembered a spot but looking at these it’s somewhat streaky in that open area. Think there might be some on the feather tips too.


  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 16,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2024 11:11AM

    @messydesk said:

    If that slab had AU50 on it, I wouldn't have batted an eye.

  • duck620duck620 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭


  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 5:00AM

    p62. Obverse die severely rusted. Fields very quiet and strike is hammered. Enhanced tone?

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 6:47AM

    A rare die variety as well, but CAC said "No."

    ;)

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 6:23AM

    The only coins I have ever submitted to cac have been though the great collections service prior to auction so no active pictures and I don’t want to call out other peoples coins. I was shocked with 50% of the results. A few stunning peace dollars in old holders didn’t and a few avg ones did. Most did what I thought they would as it was a hand picked set and I knew about the compromises but still couple of head scratchers for sure.

    I suspect where I went wrong is they might have wanted blast white lustrous or sexy toned peace dollars where I preferred the layer of dusty /chalky matte toning/skin (don’t know how else to describe it but if you have handled enough of them you know). While it dulls the luster that comes though somewhat, I actually enjoy the pearlescent sheen of original old silver common on unmolested peace dollars and walking libs from the early 20th cen. Considering how luster plays into peace grading from the choice to gem range, I suspect it wasn’t quality but grade issues for some of them.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It took me a while to realize that I needed to be fussy. When I first started collecting I would look at coins as a whole. Now I have learned to really look deeper into a coins surfaces. The dings and nicks matter. Luster matters. Eye appeal matters.
    I made many bad purchases in the beginning.
    I think CAC is consistent with their opinion. Every once in a while they let one slip by that should have been stickered.
    I would also guess that they sticker one once in a great while that wasn't worthy.
    Nobody is perfect.
    It's not common to see a CAC coin that is or isn't worthy of the outcome.

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars

  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭✭✭


    I thought this one had a great chance.

    I even sent it back for comments and received “ancient cleaning” as the reason. 😢

    I would purchase many more like it. 😉

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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No sticker on this as a 67. :'(
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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2024 9:46AM

    This coin surprised me in that it looked exactly like Gerry's photos. I figured from the odd dark indigo toning in the photo that the color must have been off. Nope. Perfect.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • Davidk7Davidk7 Posts: 199 ✭✭✭

    For the darker circulated stuff Gerry's pics are very accurate. When the coins have color and luster some of the problems arise with "sunlight photography".

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  • jomjom Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Davidk7 said:
    For the darker circulated stuff Gerry's pics are very accurate. When the coins have color and luster some of the problems arise with "sunlight photography".

    My thoughts exactly. I'm sure he has very nice material but I haven't a clue what most of his coins actually look like. Then if you buy and have to send it back he gives you a bit of grief for that. It makes the buying process a bit difficult unless you see his stuff at a show (which I cannot).

    jom

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven't bought anything from GF that I couldn't see in hand because his images are TERRIBLE. He really needs to have somebody come in and revamp his imaging setup. Somebody should show him this thread, or better yet, maybe we should collectively stop derailing this thread and make a separate thread for it.

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  • @Meltdown said:
    No sticker on this as a 67. :'(
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    Hey I remember buying that from you. Now I know why you gave me a good deal! 😅 Still a nice coin that sold for me pretty quick.

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Moparmonster said:

    Hey I remember buying that from you. Now I know why you gave me a good deal! 😅 Still a nice coin that sold for me pretty quick.

    Nice. I bought it raw at Harry's for $35 a few years back... B)
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  • Great find!!! 😄

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