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Counterfeit Coin Literature Everyone Should Have

TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
I recently bought an original roll of 1932 Washington quarters. The coins are gorgeous and the roll is definitely original as several of the coins have the coffee and tobacco toning that is often seen on 1932 Washingtons while virtually every other coin in the roll has a wonderful blue and yellow cast of toning on each. The blue and yellow toning is what I call phlegmy toning and is quite nice. This is also often seen on 1939 Washingtons as there were many rolls saved of these and quite a few tone in the same manner.

Anyway, a friend of mine asked me if I had checked my quarter roll for the diagnostics of a counterfeit 1932. I had never done so even though I am familiar with this issue. Since the toning was so well matched and original I had never thought the coins would be counterfeit and, in truth, they are genuine. This got me to thinking, however, that many people who collect coins likely do not have much literature regarding deceptive counterfeits that are known in the market. Aside from knowing what a coin "looks" like when genuine, you can arm yourself with a greater breadth and depth of knowledge relatively inexpensively. The ANA has published at least two volumes of thin books, more like pamphlets, that give the diagnostics of known counterfeit issues and also have many photos. These book were published in the '80s and '90s and are still a valuable resource. I have no idea why the ANA does not publicize the existance of these books more heavily, the pessimist in me would think it is perhaps because they are so valuable. These books are still available from a number of dealers and I have seen Stack's recently list them in their book list. Each book costs less than $20 and each is about 100 pages. They are well worth the investment in money to buy them and in time to read and understand them.
Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • One reason the ANA doesn't promote them is because I believe both of them are out of print. What the ANA should do is put out a collected volume of all of the counterfeit detection columns they have printed in The Numismatist since ANACS started up back in 72 and sublement it with more data from their photo archives. They could produce a killer counterfeit detection book that way. If I lived near Colorado Springs I would brobably volenteer at their headquarters to work on producing such a book.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I found that my local public library has a copy of the ANA produced book. (It's in the reference section, but I don't mind going there to read it.) I believe part of the reason for producing the book originally, was to get collectors to use authentication/slabbing services, and in particular, ANACS. Since there is no longer a relationship between the two, the ANA may not want to go though the effort of revising it and getting it back into publication.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    The ANA also has a video on counterfeit detection which is invaluable.
  • Other good books are "Counterfeit, Mis-struck and Unofficial U.S. Coins" by Don Taxay and a 2 volume set by "Lonesome John" Devine that I believe are called "Detecting Counterfeit Coins" and "Detecting Counterfeit Gold Coins."

    The Taxay book is good because it gives lots of technical information on how fakes are made, so you can spot the diagnostics.

    The Lonesome John books are more like the ANA books in that they are more books with examples of counterfeit coins.

    They can be found on eBay sometimes.

    Charlie
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    Tom your often not around much, but when you are you always have something useful to say image
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  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    Hey TomB -- does this/those books have a title, or did I miss it?

    What do you think about the ANA's Counterfeit Coin Bulletin or are you talking about a "compilation" of the CCB?

    Conder101 -- have you been drinking? See your thread above. image
    Gilbert
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Gilbert, yes, I have titles to include and I guess I should have done that in the original post. My mistake. The ANA books are compilations of articles that appeared in The Numismatist and as such are reprints. The first volume was published in 1983 and the second in 1988. They are titled-

    Counterfeit Detection a reprint from The Numismatist
    Counterfeit Detection a reprint from The Numismatist Volume II

    As has also been mentioned, the Taxay book is very good as far as describing how certain counterfeit types are manufactured and its title has already been given by cdmead.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,515 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this should be part of the thread/discussion on the grading/counterfeit guide that is published by PCGS
  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭
    The ANA pamphlets are indeed good. They are part of my eight volumes of counterfeit/altered detection library. I'm at work and don't have the titles with me, but besides the ANA issues, I have single sheets from them that were produced earlier that show diagnostics of genuine key dates. Bill Fivaz also has a handy little sprial bound notebook that shows the characteristics of genuine key dates. Stuff that one in your briefcase. The PCGS Guide is ok. The Lonesome John books are extremely detailed and can scare you into never buying a gold coin again. The ANA video with JP Martin is helpful. I know that I have more, but that is all I can remember right now.
    "Let me tell ya Bud, you can buy junk anytime!"
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bill Fivaz just published a book dealing with detection of counterfeit gold coins.

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  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349


    << <i>Bill Fivaz also has a handy little sprial bound notebook that shows the characteristics of genuine key dates. Stuff that one in your briefcase. >>



    That's a useful little guide.

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  • HootHoot Posts: 867


    << <i>

    << <i>Bill Fivaz also has a handy little sprial bound notebook that shows the characteristics of genuine key dates. Stuff that one in your briefcase. >>



    That's a useful little guide.

    -Amanda >>



    It's a superb guide, and scary too.

    Hoot
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you get John Devine's book, be aware that he shows some authentic coins as being cointerfeit. For example, he shows an 1854 gold $3 as being fake due to two raised die marks in the "LIBERTY" while the ANACS book says that this is characteristic of authentic coins of this date. Another example is an 1857 gold $3 where Devine says its fake since a serif is missing on each of the I's on the obverse legend while ANACS says that authentic coins of this date can have this characteristic although there are some fakes that also have this characteristic.
























    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    Another book I would recommend is Numismatic forgery by I believe Charles Larson. It doesn't show diagnostics of counterfeits, but it goes into some good depth describing how they can be created, and knowing the methods of their creation is the first step to learning how to recognize them. (I found the book both interesting and a little frightening.

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